| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… 06:50 - Jun 29 with 2994 views | ElderGrizzly |
The vitriol below this original post is ridiculous.
I’m a senior civil servant and since lockdown we have worked more hours than ever before.
My team is spread across the world, with only 1 person in London.
We’ll continue to support what is right for the employee
The number of falsehoods.
“They enjoy the gravy train of furlough” - you can’t be furloughed as a civil servant.
“Get back to work full-time” - we haven’t stopped working since lockdown
All spun by a certain right-leaning, mis-informed political agenda of course |  | | |  |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:10 - Jun 29 with 1492 views | 26_Paz |
I do think civil servants should be back in the office more than once a week. Why should they be any different to the private sector? |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:12 - Jun 29 with 1485 views | wkj |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:10 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
I do think civil servants should be back in the office more than once a week. Why should they be any different to the private sector? |
Why though? If the work is getting done to a high standard as the OP is stating - does returning to the office enhance that or something? |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:16 - Jun 29 with 1480 views | ElderGrizzly |
Appreciate it is an echo chamber for the uninformed, but the amount of ‘sane’ people who still appear to buy into the idea that working from home is some kind of ‘doss’
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:16 - Jun 29 with 1471 views | 26_Paz |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:12 - Jun 29 by wkj |
Why though? If the work is getting done to a high standard as the OP is stating - does returning to the office enhance that or something? |
My personal view is that people work more effectively when together in one place. I also think working from home works fine when everyone is at home. Once some are in and some are not it’s going to be more difficult. At the moment everything is done online. Once some people are in the office they will start to talk about things, hold meetings and may not reach out to those not present. That will be a big challenge of hybrid working. If you’ve got 5 people who you would have invited to a meeting and 4 of them are in the office are you really going to go to the hassle of setting it up online for that one person? | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:19 - Jun 29 with 1462 views | ElderGrizzly |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:10 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
I do think civil servants should be back in the office more than once a week. Why should they be any different to the private sector? |
We’re not.
I know plenty of private sector companies who will never ask employees to return. Companies will do what is best for the bottom line.
We’ll go in as and when required, not to meet some outdated idea that asking thousands to commute to a single place means they are working harder | | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:20 - Jun 29 with 1459 views | wkj |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:16 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
My personal view is that people work more effectively when together in one place. I also think working from home works fine when everyone is at home. Once some are in and some are not it’s going to be more difficult. At the moment everything is done online. Once some people are in the office they will start to talk about things, hold meetings and may not reach out to those not present. That will be a big challenge of hybrid working. If you’ve got 5 people who you would have invited to a meeting and 4 of them are in the office are you really going to go to the hassle of setting it up online for that one person? |
That is highly skewed by personal experience. I can tell you from many of the conversations I have engaged in with my London commuting friends is that productivity is through the roof. No stress from travel before the workday, no sudden meetings in the middle of a strong work block, a much clearer standard of work set forth with design briefs, and much less 'can you just quicklies'.
The undertone of civil servants being in any way lazy or inadequate is very far off the mark and too many people believe that working from home is about dossing. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 7:22]
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:23 - Jun 29 with 1445 views | ElderGrizzly |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:16 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
My personal view is that people work more effectively when together in one place. I also think working from home works fine when everyone is at home. Once some are in and some are not it’s going to be more difficult. At the moment everything is done online. Once some people are in the office they will start to talk about things, hold meetings and may not reach out to those not present. That will be a big challenge of hybrid working. If you’ve got 5 people who you would have invited to a meeting and 4 of them are in the office are you really going to go to the hassle of setting it up online for that one person? |
To your last point, simply yes. It is what we do now with my team who are spread round the world.
Some are in offices, some are not.
It won’t suit all industries and sectors, which is why these lazy articles are intentionally divisive to pick on those ‘lazy civil servants’ | | | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:27 - Jun 29 with 1428 views | wkj |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:16 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
My personal view is that people work more effectively when together in one place. I also think working from home works fine when everyone is at home. Once some are in and some are not it’s going to be more difficult. At the moment everything is done online. Once some people are in the office they will start to talk about things, hold meetings and may not reach out to those not present. That will be a big challenge of hybrid working. If you’ve got 5 people who you would have invited to a meeting and 4 of them are in the office are you really going to go to the hassle of setting it up online for that one person? |
If you’ve got 5 people who you would have invited to a meeting and 4 of them are in the office are you really going to go to the hassle of setting it up online for that one person?
Big big big yes... RND for telepresence is massive across many industries right now and was long before Covid 19 gripped the world. | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:29 - Jun 29 with 1416 views | ElderGrizzly |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:20 - Jun 29 by wkj |
That is highly skewed by personal experience. I can tell you from many of the conversations I have engaged in with my London commuting friends is that productivity is through the roof. No stress from travel before the workday, no sudden meetings in the middle of a strong work block, a much clearer standard of work set forth with design briefs, and much less 'can you just quicklies'.
The undertone of civil servants being in any way lazy or inadequate is very far off the mark and too many people believe that working from home is about dossing. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 7:22]
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Exactly this. When I went to the London office, i’d be on a train at 6am and get back at 8pm.
Now I probably work 12 hour days, but actually work not lose the time commuting and less tired into the bargain.
I travel for work and I do miss that aspect, but we can do most of what we do virtually. | | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:39 - Jun 29 with 1362 views | StokieBlue |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:23 - Jun 29 by ElderGrizzly |
To your last point, simply yes. It is what we do now with my team who are spread round the world.
Some are in offices, some are not.
It won’t suit all industries and sectors, which is why these lazy articles are intentionally divisive to pick on those ‘lazy civil servants’ |
I don't think the lazy narrative is right and you're right to call it out. You shouldn't worry what GB News are saying.
Ancedotally, by far the most productive meeting I've had in 18 months was with everyone in a room in the office. Some things are just too complicated to be discussed and thought out on Zoom in my opinion.
That's why hybrid working should be the way forward, not fully in the office and not fully at home although it does of course depend on the role.
There is a small push to have us back in 100% of the time although I think that'll be agreed but then people will hybrid work anyway. It's not like people didn't WFH before the pandemic.
There is an issue that some have moved crazily far from offices thinking they will never go back in and that's simply unlikely to be the case for the majority.
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:44 - Jun 29 with 1345 views | ElderGrizzly |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:39 - Jun 29 by StokieBlue |
I don't think the lazy narrative is right and you're right to call it out. You shouldn't worry what GB News are saying.
Ancedotally, by far the most productive meeting I've had in 18 months was with everyone in a room in the office. Some things are just too complicated to be discussed and thought out on Zoom in my opinion.
That's why hybrid working should be the way forward, not fully in the office and not fully at home although it does of course depend on the role.
There is a small push to have us back in 100% of the time although I think that'll be agreed but then people will hybrid work anyway. It's not like people didn't WFH before the pandemic.
There is an issue that some have moved crazily far from offices thinking they will never go back in and that's simply unlikely to be the case for the majority.
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I’m not concerned what GB News itself is saying, it is more they appear to represent the view of a certain sector of society and a growing % of Tory MPs who listen to this divisive nonsense. | | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:47 - Jun 29 with 1337 views | StokieBlue |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:44 - Jun 29 by ElderGrizzly |
I’m not concerned what GB News itself is saying, it is more they appear to represent the view of a certain sector of society and a growing % of Tory MPs who listen to this divisive nonsense. |
Given the viewing figures it seems to be a much smaller section of society than I feared.
Although there is always the possibility that the people who agree with them simply aren't the type to watch the news.
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:57 - Jun 29 with 1298 views | DanTheMan |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:10 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
I do think civil servants should be back in the office more than once a week. Why should they be any different to the private sector? |
Hello private sector worker here.
Pre-pandemic our entire business was WFH. We have an optional office in London a few people can use if they wish. Once the pandemic is over we will have regional monthly meetups as we have workers all over this country and also in Spain. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:17 - Jun 29 with 1217 views | davblue |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:16 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
My personal view is that people work more effectively when together in one place. I also think working from home works fine when everyone is at home. Once some are in and some are not it’s going to be more difficult. At the moment everything is done online. Once some people are in the office they will start to talk about things, hold meetings and may not reach out to those not present. That will be a big challenge of hybrid working. If you’ve got 5 people who you would have invited to a meeting and 4 of them are in the office are you really going to go to the hassle of setting it up online for that one person? |
just dial them in via a conference call. It's no different to someone being in the states, Spain, India wherever. We managed to get on that way before so why can't it be extended to people wfh, just to sit in the same room? |  | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:20 - Jun 29 with 1180 views | Dubtractor |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:39 - Jun 29 by StokieBlue |
I don't think the lazy narrative is right and you're right to call it out. You shouldn't worry what GB News are saying.
Ancedotally, by far the most productive meeting I've had in 18 months was with everyone in a room in the office. Some things are just too complicated to be discussed and thought out on Zoom in my opinion.
That's why hybrid working should be the way forward, not fully in the office and not fully at home although it does of course depend on the role.
There is a small push to have us back in 100% of the time although I think that'll be agreed but then people will hybrid work anyway. It's not like people didn't WFH before the pandemic.
There is an issue that some have moved crazily far from offices thinking they will never go back in and that's simply unlikely to be the case for the majority.
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I'm in the same ball park as you and paz on this topic.
Home working when everyone is at home functions just about OK, though with increasing issues around team cohesion.
Hybrid working is clearly the future, but I think some ground rules around office/meeting attendance. My organisation is wrestling with this now and its not going to be easy at all to find the right balance.
Also agree with grizzly's point on productivity, I've never worked as hard as I have over the last 15 months. I know that my colleagues all feel the same too. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:22 - Jun 29 with 1164 views | Steve_M |
It's not really a surprise to see GB News following the anti-expert, anti-fact approach of large parts of the media that crystallised over Brexit but is also behind the anti-lockdown stuff. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:22 - Jun 29 with 1165 views | ElderGrizzly |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:20 - Jun 29 by Dubtractor |
I'm in the same ball park as you and paz on this topic.
Home working when everyone is at home functions just about OK, though with increasing issues around team cohesion.
Hybrid working is clearly the future, but I think some ground rules around office/meeting attendance. My organisation is wrestling with this now and its not going to be easy at all to find the right balance.
Also agree with grizzly's point on productivity, I've never worked as hard as I have over the last 15 months. I know that my colleagues all feel the same too. |
To be clear, i’m not expecting everyone to be home forever.
Hybrid will be the norm, just the % of the balance will vary significantly | | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:24 - Jun 29 with 1161 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Will this 'improved productivity ' take into account the plebs losing employment in the service sector? |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:26 - Jun 29 with 1154 views | Dubtractor |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:22 - Jun 29 by ElderGrizzly |
To be clear, i’m not expecting everyone to be home forever.
Hybrid will be the norm, just the % of the balance will vary significantly |
I get that, and agree with your main gripe that certain parts of our media are happy to conflate home working and furlough to portray the public sector as lazy.
Mrs Dub is a teacher, and I work in local government. We are basically Mr and Mrs anti christ to these people! | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:30 - Jun 29 with 1142 views | Cotty |
Similarly, get this lot talking about Universities and see the hate fly. The culture war is in full swing still. |  | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:32 - Jun 29 with 1118 views | itfcjoe |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:30 - Jun 29 by Cotty |
Similarly, get this lot talking about Universities and see the hate fly. The culture war is in full swing still. |
It's because it is all they have - there is nothing fact based, or policy based that they have much traction on so just about getting people riled up by spreading falsehoods |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:42 - Jun 29 with 1072 views | eireblue |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:57 - Jun 29 by DanTheMan |
Hello private sector worker here.
Pre-pandemic our entire business was WFH. We have an optional office in London a few people can use if they wish. Once the pandemic is over we will have regional monthly meetups as we have workers all over this country and also in Spain. |
Another private sector bod here, that has worked from home for over 10 years.
You don’t even need an office if people do need to meet in person.
The last team meeting pre-pandemic I had was in Mallorca. Cheaper than London. |  | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:50 - Jun 29 with 1022 views | ElderGrizzly |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:42 - Jun 29 by eireblue |
Another private sector bod here, that has worked from home for over 10 years.
You don’t even need an office if people do need to meet in person.
The last team meeting pre-pandemic I had was in Mallorca. Cheaper than London. |
Again, pre-pandemic of course, but we our last big team meeting was in Dubai for the same reason.
Cost wise, it was cheaper than holding in London when 50%+ of the team are overseas.
I thought the pandemic had broken the ‘myth’ that WFH was just slacking. Clearly not. | | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:52 - Jun 29 with 1016 views | ElderGrizzly |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:24 - Jun 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Will this 'improved productivity ' take into account the plebs losing employment in the service sector? |
The ‘plebs’ have done very well in the commuter towns of course with huge uplift in food sector.
But yes, there is going to be a shift in jobs in big cities | | | |
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