| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… 06:50 - Jun 29 with 3323 views | ElderGrizzly |
The vitriol below this original post is ridiculous.
I’m a senior civil servant and since lockdown we have worked more hours than ever before.
My team is spread across the world, with only 1 person in London.
We’ll continue to support what is right for the employee
The number of falsehoods.
“They enjoy the gravy train of furlough” - you can’t be furloughed as a civil servant.
“Get back to work full-time” - we haven’t stopped working since lockdown
All spun by a certain right-leaning, mis-informed political agenda of course |  | | |  |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:56 - Jun 29 with 1679 views | PassionNotAnger |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:10 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
I do think civil servants should be back in the office more than once a week. Why should they be any different to the private sector? |
Simply because a hell of a lot of the public sector (I don't have any data but suspect it's the majority) aren't back in the offices at all yet.
Given the official government advice is currently still "work from home if you can" then surely they should be doing just that until such time as the advice changes and they make a judgement call as to whether it's necessary for them to return into the office full/part time depending on what the role entails? |  | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:14 - Jun 29 with 1607 views | Guthrum |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:32 - Jun 29 by itfcjoe |
It's because it is all they have - there is nothing fact based, or policy based that they have much traction on so just about getting people riled up by spreading falsehoods |
Spot on. Get 'em revved up and they'll consume our media, post on our pages and vote for the candidates we're sponsoring. It's far easier to stir up anger than find solutions to problems. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:24 - Jun 29 with 1591 views | Guthrum |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 07:16 - Jun 29 by 26_Paz |
My personal view is that people work more effectively when together in one place. I also think working from home works fine when everyone is at home. Once some are in and some are not it’s going to be more difficult. At the moment everything is done online. Once some people are in the office they will start to talk about things, hold meetings and may not reach out to those not present. That will be a big challenge of hybrid working. If you’ve got 5 people who you would have invited to a meeting and 4 of them are in the office are you really going to go to the hassle of setting it up online for that one person? |
One element of this productivity trope is the natural desire of management to have their staff within eyesight, to make sure they aren't slacking. That nagging feeling that people are on TWTD rather than tittivating the meaningless spreadsheets you ordered to impress the Directors.
But, on the other hand, are people more prepared to put in a few minutes overtime finishing something off if they've just got to stroll into the kitchen to cook their tea, rather than battling through crowds and traffic for two hours? | |
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| nobody likes civil servants Grizzers.... on 11:26 - Jun 29 with 1579 views | Bloots |
....they spend far too long posting twitter messages on internet football forums.
Innit. |  |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:31 - Jun 29 with 1568 views | Swansea_Blue |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:24 - Jun 29 by Guthrum |
One element of this productivity trope is the natural desire of management to have their staff within eyesight, to make sure they aren't slacking. That nagging feeling that people are on TWTD rather than tittivating the meaningless spreadsheets you ordered to impress the Directors.
But, on the other hand, are people more prepared to put in a few minutes overtime finishing something off if they've just got to stroll into the kitchen to cook their tea, rather than battling through crowds and traffic for two hours? |
I can't believe people are popping on here when they're supposed to be working 
The time savings from the commute, battling traffic to get between meetings, queuing in the canteen, etc., are huge. I can do as much in 4 hours now as it took me to do in a full day before. And am a lot less stressed while doing it.
I bet coffee shops and town centre shops in general are taking a big hit though. It can't be easy for them at all with lots of people not venturing out to work. I suspect this is another death blow to town centres, although maybe it will accelerate a change in thinking about how town centres are used. I dunno, who knows. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:31 - Jun 29 with 1564 views | leitrimblue |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:42 - Jun 29 by eireblue |
Another private sector bod here, that has worked from home for over 10 years.
You don’t even need an office if people do need to meet in person.
The last team meeting pre-pandemic I had was in Mallorca. Cheaper than London. |
Same here, about 30% of my time is on site, the rest of the time I'm 'flat out' working from home. Been working like this for quite a few years, couldn't imagine working in office with others now. I like to wander around the garden in my pants while smoking for inspiration |  | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:31 - Jun 29 with 1563 views | GiroJim |
GB News is a good egg really. |  | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:38 - Jun 29 with 1549 views | Darth_Koont |
It’s also important to note that the UK has been lagging behind for years on productivity.
Maybe a rejig towards a hybrid working from home/in the office when there’s value in it is just what is needed?
I also think giving staff autonomy for how they work and thus greater responsibility for getting the job done is a good thing. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:53 - Jun 29 with 1524 views | leitrimblue |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:31 - Jun 29 by GiroJim |
GB News is a good egg really. |
Can the news really be an egg Jim? It's a concept I'm struggling to get my head around. Even more mindfeckin, is what came first the news or the egg? | | | |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 12:02 - Jun 29 with 1510 views | Lord_Lucan |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:24 - Jun 29 by Guthrum |
One element of this productivity trope is the natural desire of management to have their staff within eyesight, to make sure they aren't slacking. That nagging feeling that people are on TWTD rather than tittivating the meaningless spreadsheets you ordered to impress the Directors.
But, on the other hand, are people more prepared to put in a few minutes overtime finishing something off if they've just got to stroll into the kitchen to cook their tea, rather than battling through crowds and traffic for two hours? |
I think it's multifaceted and will probably end up a combination of WFH and office.
Personally I don't like working from home even though I can, if I am at home I am not as productive, that's the just the way I am.
RKD works from home half the time and he tends to be focussed enough and it works well, at the same time I think he welcomed the chance to do some office work when restrictions were lifted - despite being a big advocate of WFH when it started.
Like most things in life, contrary to those that obviously know better, there are pros and cons.
If I am in a meeting I don't expect people to simply walk out the door and re enter as if it is appropriate, just because they aren't talking at that time, which people tend to do in zoom meetings. You also have to appreciate that human contact is very important and you cannot get to know how people work if you never meet them. There are also the many small businesses that rely on office workers for their trade. More importantly, if you have a deal to be done of any significance then it helps if you do it face to face.
I am sure there are a multitude of good reasons for WFH as well but they don't roll off my brain because I don't particularly enjoy it, but I am prepared to accept that these reasons exist. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 12:24 - Jun 29 with 1473 views | chicoazul |
Quite apart from anything else I sincerely hope your extensive time on here isn’t spent at work. That’s not what we pay you for. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 12:27 - Jun 29 with 1465 views | chicoazul |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:38 - Jun 29 by Darth_Koont |
It’s also important to note that the UK has been lagging behind for years on productivity.
Maybe a rejig towards a hybrid working from home/in the office when there’s value in it is just what is needed?
I also think giving staff autonomy for how they work and thus greater responsibility for getting the job done is a good thing. |
Maybe part of the productivity problem in the public sector (if there is one) is that so many of the public sector workers in here spend a disproportionate amount of time guffing about talking to us instead of doing their jobs. | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 12:32 - Jun 29 with 1452 views | GeoffSentence |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:31 - Jun 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I can't believe people are popping on here when they're supposed to be working
The time savings from the commute, battling traffic to get between meetings, queuing in the canteen, etc., are huge. I can do as much in 4 hours now as it took me to do in a full day before. And am a lot less stressed while doing it.
I bet coffee shops and town centre shops in general are taking a big hit though. It can't be easy for them at all with lots of people not venturing out to work. I suspect this is another death blow to town centres, although maybe it will accelerate a change in thinking about how town centres are used. I dunno, who knows. |
Don't worry too much about the city centre coffee shops and sandwich bars. Someone else will benefit. The local pubs and shops where the workers live will all get a slice of the action instead. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 13:34 - Jun 29 with 1400 views | Darth_Koont |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 12:27 - Jun 29 by chicoazul |
Maybe part of the productivity problem in the public sector (if there is one) is that so many of the public sector workers in here spend a disproportionate amount of time guffing about talking to us instead of doing their jobs. |
It’s the private sector where it’s the real problem and where we’re lagging behind.
Check the figures. We’re at the arse-end of the OECD countries. | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 14:21 - Jun 29 with 1347 views | Guthrum |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 11:31 - Jun 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I can't believe people are popping on here when they're supposed to be working
The time savings from the commute, battling traffic to get between meetings, queuing in the canteen, etc., are huge. I can do as much in 4 hours now as it took me to do in a full day before. And am a lot less stressed while doing it.
I bet coffee shops and town centre shops in general are taking a big hit though. It can't be easy for them at all with lots of people not venturing out to work. I suspect this is another death blow to town centres, although maybe it will accelerate a change in thinking about how town centres are used. I dunno, who knows. |
Town/city centres have been in trouble long before Covid came along. Reducing footfall, increasing rents and expensive parking have done for a lot of High Streets, some were close to half-empty a couple of years ago.
People might nip round the corner from the office for coffee or a sandwich, but any other need they go to out-of-town shopping centres or buy online. That's it apart from charity shops and betting outlets, unless you have an ethnic/cultural hub.
Tho some of the shopping streets away from the actual town/city centres are doing better, as they are still embedded in communities where people live. | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 14:23 - Jun 29 with 1344 views | Guthrum |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 12:02 - Jun 29 by Lord_Lucan |
I think it's multifaceted and will probably end up a combination of WFH and office.
Personally I don't like working from home even though I can, if I am at home I am not as productive, that's the just the way I am.
RKD works from home half the time and he tends to be focussed enough and it works well, at the same time I think he welcomed the chance to do some office work when restrictions were lifted - despite being a big advocate of WFH when it started.
Like most things in life, contrary to those that obviously know better, there are pros and cons.
If I am in a meeting I don't expect people to simply walk out the door and re enter as if it is appropriate, just because they aren't talking at that time, which people tend to do in zoom meetings. You also have to appreciate that human contact is very important and you cannot get to know how people work if you never meet them. There are also the many small businesses that rely on office workers for their trade. More importantly, if you have a deal to be done of any significance then it helps if you do it face to face.
I am sure there are a multitude of good reasons for WFH as well but they don't roll off my brain because I don't particularly enjoy it, but I am prepared to accept that these reasons exist. |
Yes, I think it will end up as a combination of office and WFH. Partly so as not to lose that personal, face-to-face contact completely. That's how humans work, after all. | |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 19:43 - Jun 29 with 1273 views | tractordownsouth |
Same stuff happens with teachers. All this b0llocks about them barely working during lockdown when my mum and countless others had to prepare in-person lessons for the children of key workers as well as online materials for the rest of the kids. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 21:12 - Jun 29 with 1241 views | BlueBadger |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:32 - Jun 29 by itfcjoe |
It's because it is all they have - there is nothing fact based, or policy based that they have much traction on so just about getting people riled up by spreading falsehoods |
This is the true irony of 'these people have Very Real Concerns'. |  |
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 08:25 - Jun 30 with 1170 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 12:32 - Jun 29 by GeoffSentence |
Don't worry too much about the city centre coffee shops and sandwich bars. Someone else will benefit. The local pubs and shops where the workers live will all get a slice of the action instead. |
....but unfortunately the workers there will not to be able to pay the rents to fund their
landlords' pension schemes as 'London rents' become the norm! Fortunately for them though deregulated planning for trailer parks and inner city slum living awaits.....hoorah!!
Edit...it's enough to get you inappropriately pissy with Civil Servants and others that the game works for! [Post edited 30 Jun 2021 8:28]
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| GB News and their viewers don’t like civil servants apparently… on 09:05 - Jun 30 with 1142 views | J2BLUE |
I work from home and recently learned two in my team are living in Thailand and Cyprus.
Apparently a lot of millennials and the next generation are quitting their jobs if forced to return to the office. Remote working is here to stay. |  |
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