| Covid deaths now at highest level since March 13:40 - Nov 16 with 1886 views | ElderGrizzly |
From the ONS:
"995 deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 5 November mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
This is the highest number since the week to 12 March during the 2021 national lockdown, when 1,501 coronavirus deaths were registered."
All deaths now above average excess deaths for last 5 years too.
Yet we carry on as normal... |  | | |  |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:44 - Nov 16 with 1413 views | The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not sure the majority of us could cope with a other lockdown though. As much as some of you want it, a lockdown now after the vaccines have been given to the majority, suggests there’s never going to be any way to beat covid and every Winter will be in lockdown for the rest of our lives. |  |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:45 - Nov 16 with 1397 views | Kieran_Knows |
Whats the answer then? Face masks to become mandatory again? More lockdowns? |  |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:46 - Nov 16 with 1399 views | homer_123 |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:44 - Nov 16 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not sure the majority of us could cope with a other lockdown though. As much as some of you want it, a lockdown now after the vaccines have been given to the majority, suggests there’s never going to be any way to beat covid and every Winter will be in lockdown for the rest of our lives. |
Small point of order - we never had a lockdown in the UK.
We had varying degrees of restrictions. |  |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:46 - Nov 16 with 1392 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:44 - Nov 16 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not sure the majority of us could cope with a other lockdown though. As much as some of you want it, a lockdown now after the vaccines have been given to the majority, suggests there’s never going to be any way to beat covid and every Winter will be in lockdown for the rest of our lives. |
I don't want a lockdown at all.
Plan B is asking people to work from home (where possible) and wear a mask indoors and on transport.
Not exactly liberty busting... [Post edited 16 Nov 2021 13:47]
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:46 - Nov 16 with 1389 views | XYZ |
Johnson's b*llocks yesterday about a "surge coming from the east" was setting the blame game up for "having to introduce measures, because Europe".
I think I predicted mid-November a month ago. Too late again, already. |  | | |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:47 - Nov 16 with 1345 views | chicoazul |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:45 - Nov 16 by Kieran_Knows |
Whats the answer then? Face masks to become mandatory again? More lockdowns? |
Pay people properly to stay home when they’re sick. |  |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:48 - Nov 16 with 1341 views | davblue |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:46 - Nov 16 by ElderGrizzly |
I don't want a lockdown at all.
Plan B is asking people to work from home (where possible) and wear a mask indoors and on transport.
Not exactly liberty busting... [Post edited 16 Nov 2021 13:47]
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'Plan B is asking people to work from home (where possible) and wear a mask indoors and on transport.'
This isn't a hard thing to implement and these restrictions probably should have never been lifted, Mask wearing especially. |  | | |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:49 - Nov 16 with 1338 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:46 - Nov 16 by XYZ |
Johnson's b*llocks yesterday about a "surge coming from the east" was setting the blame game up for "having to introduce measures, because Europe".
I think I predicted mid-November a month ago. Too late again, already. |
As an epidemiologist pointed out today, the blame game on other countries is nonsense. It's xenophobic rhetoric.
The measures (or lack of) in your country along with vaccination rates are the reference point to how bad/good we cope. | | | |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:50 - Nov 16 with 1334 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:48 - Nov 16 by davblue |
'Plan B is asking people to work from home (where possible) and wear a mask indoors and on transport.'
This isn't a hard thing to implement and these restrictions probably should have never been lifted, Mask wearing especially. |
Literally the only reason to remove the legal requirement on masks was to appease a few rabid right wing Tory snowflakes. [Post edited 16 Nov 2021 15:24]
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:50 - Nov 16 with 1318 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:48 - Nov 16 by davblue |
'Plan B is asking people to work from home (where possible) and wear a mask indoors and on transport.'
This isn't a hard thing to implement and these restrictions probably should have never been lifted, Mask wearing especially. |
Politically it is for Johnson though, as he's painted it as some kind of terrible imposition.
And the CRG control him. | | | |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:52 - Nov 16 with 1299 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:46 - Nov 16 by homer_123 |
Small point of order - we never had a lockdown in the UK.
We had varying degrees of restrictions. |
We got pretty close with the first one, but yeah following that things weren't anywhere as strict as they have been in some other places.
Is the answer more restrictions? Yeah, it probably is if we don't want the deaths. Social distancing seems to have gone out of the window for starters and it's relatively easy to do. Same with mask wearing. Trouble is, the governments have abdicated responsibility to 'the people' and we as a group don't give a sh*t about the deaths, as long as we can go to the footie and our zumba and origami evening classes.
It'd be interesting to see what would have happened had we tried to put some restriction in place through the autumn, rather than go for herd immunity via infections through our children approach. I wonder what impact that would have had, had we done everything we would to restrict infections in schools while still getting the kids in (class bubbles, class quarantine and masks, social distancing, etc). Or even daily testing. |  |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:56 - Nov 16 with 1250 views | davblue |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:50 - Nov 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Politically it is for Johnson though, as he's painted it as some kind of terrible imposition.
And the CRG control him. |
an absolute shower.
Politics before people, they should all hang their heads in shame. | | | |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:58 - Nov 16 with 1227 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:50 - Nov 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Politically it is for Johnson though, as he's painted it as some kind of terrible imposition.
And the CRG control him. |
Ah yes, libertarianism of the sort that is bang against government interference in people's lives until 'people' turn out not to be rich white men. | |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:11 - Nov 16 with 1143 views | Swansea_Blue |
Can't see past the paywall, but from the headline it's pretty obvious they're cherry picking a point in time. I'm assuming they're talking about the stringency index developed by Oxford Uni researchers. The FT has a useful little tool (as opposed to the useless little tool they sacked, badum tish!) you can use to see how countries have compared.
You can scroll through and see our lag back in March/April 20 compared to other countries around us. Jan & Feb (when that telegraph article was written) we were in the top category, so then yes we had relatively strict controls. For the rest of the time though we've been relatively light touch compared to many other places, even as cases rocketed in the late summer & autumn this year.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-lockdowns/
(Not sure if that's behind a paywall). | |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:19 - Nov 16 with 1089 views | homer_123 |
So, not a lockdown then. | |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:29 - Nov 16 with 1040 views | StokieBlue |
Why do you continually do this?
I'm genuinely interested to know what makes you want to continually deny robust evidence and to downplay the issues around covid at every possible turn?
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:35 - Nov 16 with 993 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:29 - Nov 16 by StokieBlue |
Why do you continually do this?
I'm genuinely interested to know what makes you want to continually deny robust evidence and to downplay the issues around covid at every possible turn?
SB |
Which could be a sentence you could utter to most Government ministers too. | | | |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:39 - Nov 16 with 973 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:29 - Nov 16 by StokieBlue |
Why do you continually do this?
I'm genuinely interested to know what makes you want to continually deny robust evidence and to downplay the issues around covid at every possible turn?
SB |
Because he's a pathetic edgelord wannabe troll who thinks he's 'sticking it to the lefties'.
At some point, he'll get cocky, overstep the mark and Phill'll ban him.
Again. [Post edited 16 Nov 2021 15:03]
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:41 - Nov 16 with 941 views | factual_blue |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:49 - Nov 16 by ElderGrizzly |
As an epidemiologist pointed out today, the blame game on other countries is nonsense. It's xenophobic rhetoric.
The measures (or lack of) in your country along with vaccination rates are the reference point to how bad/good we cope. |
boris is, of course, an artisanal xenophobia-maker. |  |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:42 - Nov 16 with 928 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:35 - Nov 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Which could be a sentence you could utter to most Government ministers too. |
So, basically, what we're saying is the Digger is Tom Hunt? | |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:52 - Nov 16 with 897 views | borge |
That's just not true though. I admit I only skim read it, but where is China and how on earth is Spain lower than we are? In much of Spain people weren't even allowed outside to exercise for the first lockdown - imagine not being able to let your kids outside! How was our situation worse than that? | | | |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:53 - Nov 16 with 897 views | giant_stow |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 13:50 - Nov 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Politically it is for Johnson though, as he's painted it as some kind of terrible imposition.
And the CRG control him. |
Think there was a story in the Standard a day or so ago saying the rate of covid infection in Parliament (where loads of Tories don't wear masks) is 5 times the London average. |  |
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| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 15:02 - Nov 16 with 855 views | Digger77 |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 14:52 - Nov 16 by borge |
That's just not true though. I admit I only skim read it, but where is China and how on earth is Spain lower than we are? In much of Spain people weren't even allowed outside to exercise for the first lockdown - imagine not being able to let your kids outside! How was our situation worse than that? |
Email Oxford University, who did the research, and ask them?
I guess they don't know what they're talking about? | | | |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 15:04 - Nov 16 with 844 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid deaths now at highest level since March on 15:02 - Nov 16 by Digger77 |
Email Oxford University, who did the research, and ask them?
I guess they don't know what they're talking about? |
Covid deaths now at highest level since March by Swansea_Blue 16 Nov 2021 14:11Can't see past the paywall, but from the headline it's pretty obvious they're cherry picking a point in time. I'm assuming they're talking about the stringency index developed by Oxford Uni researchers. The FT has a useful little tool (as opposed to the useless little tool they sacked, badum tish!) you can use to see how countries have compared.
You can scroll through and see our lag back in March/April 20 compared to other countries around us. Jan & Feb (when that telegraph article was written) we were in the top category, so then yes we had relatively strict controls. For the rest of the time though we've been relatively light touch compared to many other places, even as cases rocketed in the late summer & autumn this year.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-lockdowns/
(Not sure if that's behind a paywall).
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