| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... 19:48 - Dec 17 with 1895 views | bobbyramsey |
Does it go to prove that automatic promotion this season was never the target?
Obviously this appointment has "longer term" written all over it......? |  | | |  |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 with 1817 views | J2BLUE |
This appointment really needs time.
I hope people aren't calling for his head in the summer if we don't make the play offs but are showing real signs of building something. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 with 1807 views | FightingEssex |
If you were going long term then Cook is arguably the better choice though. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:06 - Dec 17 with 1783 views | jayessess |
I think it's obvious that Plan A was smashing the league this season. That's why we kept Cook, even though he didn't fit the coaching/management structure we were building, that's why we signed players like Walton and Celina on big money. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:07 - Dec 17 with 1780 views | mylittletown |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 by FightingEssex |
If you were going long term then Cook is arguably the better choice though. |
Disagree.
Sticking with Cook was the 'get them up and then have a look' choice, otherwise they'd have sacked him on day 1. |  | | |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:07 - Dec 17 with 1774 views | BlueBadger |
Given the players we signed and the loans we made, promotion in 1 season was TOTALLY the plan. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 20:09]
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:09 - Dec 17 with 1763 views | BlueBadger |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 by FightingEssex |
If you were going long term then Cook is arguably the better choice though. |
After all, 'win 7 out of 22 and don't bother with back-to-back, then get marooned in mid table and have to sign another dozen or so next season to replace those that leave' is a classic log term strategy. | |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:10 - Dec 17 with 1748 views | jayessess |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 by J2BLUE |
This appointment really needs time.
I hope people aren't calling for his head in the summer if we don't make the play offs but are showing real signs of building something. |
"Showing real signs of building" is key here, isn't it? | |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:15 - Dec 17 with 1716 views | Ewan_Oozami |
I suspect that GC's original plan was to sack Lambert and bring McKenna and Pert in at the end of last season. Unfortunately, Evans being Evans, decided to sack Lambert himself and bring in Cook. GC then had to stall with McKenna and Pert while supporting Cook (after all, he would have been a good choice had GC wanted an all-powerful manager) in player acquisitions, whilst at the same time trying to get players in who would fit McKenna and Pert's plans, and implementing the back room functions as well.
I think given that scenario, Cook was almost destined to fail, considering the players he was given (not all fitted his formation choice) and the input from the back room team on fitness levels, etc..and even if he had got us up, he would have been replaced anyway before the beginning of next season. I can't believe McKenna and Pert were only identified at the point that it seemed Cook wasn't going to get us up this season... |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:26 - Dec 17 with 1652 views | ArnieM |
OP: I’ve been saying that all along!! |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:26 - Dec 17 with 1653 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:07 - Dec 17 by BlueBadger |
Given the players we signed and the loans we made, promotion in 1 season was TOTALLY the plan. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 20:09]
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Never saw Cook as the man to complete the Plan which was presumably to reach the Premier League. McKenna could be the man to do that and 3.5 seasons would seem right. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:38 - Dec 17 with 1586 views | chrismakin |
I think it just shows they've always been about time and patience but with the understanding that progress is being made with the occasional bad patch.
I think it's fair to say we've barely had anything about us over the last month or so that showed we were moving in an upward trend. I think the cup games were the final straw for the owners.
Berke made a comment in the summer. Something like he's patient but there's a limit to that patience.
Mckenna will get time. But he will need to show there is a plan and that plan is clear for all to see, including fans, again something we've not had.. Well I couldn't see a plan could anyone?, it just seemed like we were going into games without any form of game plan let alone things we'd been working on in training. Set pieces have always been the same. Phases of play were non existent, etc |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:45 - Dec 17 with 1542 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 by FightingEssex |
If you were going long term then Cook is arguably the better choice though. |
I honestly thought that until it became apparent that he had no in-depth managerial nous, surprisingly. The inability to change formations and tactics when it was blatantly obvious to all truly left me dumbfounded. Add that to his total disrespect of the club by not appointing an assistant manager and giving his mates coaching jobs over perhaps better qualified people made it easy for me to accept his release. I also feel the club may have moved faster if it wasn’t for his father’s recent passing. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:55 - Dec 17 with 1492 views | bobbyramsey |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:15 - Dec 17 by Ewan_Oozami |
I suspect that GC's original plan was to sack Lambert and bring McKenna and Pert in at the end of last season. Unfortunately, Evans being Evans, decided to sack Lambert himself and bring in Cook. GC then had to stall with McKenna and Pert while supporting Cook (after all, he would have been a good choice had GC wanted an all-powerful manager) in player acquisitions, whilst at the same time trying to get players in who would fit McKenna and Pert's plans, and implementing the back room functions as well.
I think given that scenario, Cook was almost destined to fail, considering the players he was given (not all fitted his formation choice) and the input from the back room team on fitness levels, etc..and even if he had got us up, he would have been replaced anyway before the beginning of next season. I can't believe McKenna and Pert were only identified at the point that it seemed Cook wasn't going to get us up this season... |
Precisely, Cook was doomed from day one. I don't think that an organisation like GC would change tack on a whim.
Cook was just an annoyance to them I believe. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 20:59]
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 21:35 - Dec 17 with 1363 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:55 - Dec 17 by bobbyramsey |
Precisely, Cook was doomed from day one. I don't think that an organisation like GC would change tack on a whim.
Cook was just an annoyance to them I believe. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 20:59]
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My view isn't a pro- or anti-Cook stance, the circumstances weren't of his making and he probably realised that post the takeover, he would be under a great deal of pressure to perform immediately. And wasn't helped by various injuries to key players and possibly not being allowed to pick his best team week by week for (what probably seemed to him, unjustified) sport science reasons. He unfortunately just happened to be a victim of football club ownership politics (as are most managers at some point!) | |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 21:47 - Dec 17 with 1331 views | Guthrum |
Not at all, IMO. With Cook in charge it was very definitely going for promotion this season, with perhaps a bit of leeway if we'd fallen just short (i.e. failed to win the playoffs).
Once that possibility began to fade, as we fell away from even 6th place, then there had to be a change.
We do still have a chance of making the playoffs, but things would have to come together extremely quick and a high level of success be sustained right to the end of the season. There are probably only one or two managers available at our level who could achieve that. And if they did not want to come ...
At that point, a change of tack becomes not so much an option as a necessity. With the added advantage of opening the field to some more interesting candidates (such as McKenna). The alternative being to hire some hopeful journeyman and watch them very probably fail at the near-impossible task anyway. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 21:55 - Dec 17 with 1287 views | noggin |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 by J2BLUE |
This appointment really needs time.
I hope people aren't calling for his head in the summer if we don't make the play offs but are showing real signs of building something. |
It's the internet age. Some fans won't give him much more time than the Sunderland game. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:03 - Dec 17 with 1249 views | StokieBlue |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 21:55 - Dec 17 by noggin |
It's the internet age. Some fans won't give him much more time than the Sunderland game. |
Which he's not even managing.
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:04 - Dec 17 with 1250 views | FightingEssex |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:09 - Dec 17 by BlueBadger |
After all, 'win 7 out of 22 and don't bother with back-to-back, then get marooned in mid table and have to sign another dozen or so next season to replace those that leave' is a classic log term strategy. |
He’s a good League One manager, I agree he was a disaster here but more is emerging about the wider problems he was facing at the club so it’s not as black and white as Cook just being bad. The point is if I were going to choose a manager to do well in League One and then establish a club in the Championship then Paul Cook is a better choice for that job than McKenna. He’s totally unproven in comparison. | |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:10 - Dec 17 with 1210 views | noggin |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:03 - Dec 17 by StokieBlue |
Which he's not even managing.
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Well exactly. I've already seen insults aimed at McGreal in the last couple of days. | |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:12 - Dec 17 with 1201 views | chrismakin |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:10 - Dec 17 by noggin |
Well exactly. I've already seen insults aimed at McGreal in the last couple of days. |
I was shocked by the amount of hate Jackson got in twitter
Of all players, he's one who shown he's been trying his best. Got put I'm the u23s. Got on with it etc | |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 23:07 - Dec 17 with 1094 views | BlueBadger |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:04 - Dec 17 by FightingEssex |
He’s a good League One manager, I agree he was a disaster here but more is emerging about the wider problems he was facing at the club so it’s not as black and white as Cook just being bad. The point is if I were going to choose a manager to do well in League One and then establish a club in the Championship then Paul Cook is a better choice for that job than McKenna. He’s totally unproven in comparison. |
Bar one, all the 'proven' managers we've had over the last decade have been sh1t though. | |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 23:13 - Dec 17 with 1070 views | jeera |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 22:04 - Dec 17 by FightingEssex |
He’s a good League One manager, I agree he was a disaster here but more is emerging about the wider problems he was facing at the club so it’s not as black and white as Cook just being bad. The point is if I were going to choose a manager to do well in League One and then establish a club in the Championship then Paul Cook is a better choice for that job than McKenna. He’s totally unproven in comparison. |
You said a few days ago that he had to go and it was the right decision.
This gets difficult to keep up with sometimes. |  |
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 23:51 - Dec 17 with 984 views | BlueBadger |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:09 - Dec 17 by BlueBadger |
After all, 'win 7 out of 22 and don't bother with back-to-back, then get marooned in mid table and have to sign another dozen or so next season to replace those that leave' is a classic log term strategy. |
'Abuse reported'.
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| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 00:56 - Dec 18 with 877 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Oh well, if this really is Gamechangers chosen route..... on 20:03 - Dec 17 by J2BLUE |
This appointment really needs time.
I hope people aren't calling for his head in the summer if we don't make the play offs but are showing real signs of building something. |
They will be. |  |
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