| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early 09:40 - Jan 31 with 4591 views | MaySixth |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:41 - Jan 31 with 3411 views | Guthrum |
Might be the player wanting out, too, if he thinks the midfield is too crowded for him to get much of a look-in. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:44 - Jan 31 with 3373 views | WD19 |
Was a poor recruit for the style of football we are trying to play. Was on paper a bargain in some ways, but just didn't fit and best for all concerned that he moves on. |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:46 - Jan 31 with 3330 views | RobTheMonk |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:44 - Jan 31 by WD19 |
Was a poor recruit for the style of football we are trying to play. Was on paper a bargain in some ways, but just didn't fit and best for all concerned that he moves on. |
Agreed. He's obviously a decent player, but in a certain style and formation.
I do wonder if he could have played as one of the two behind a lone striker. |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:46 - Jan 31 with 3310 views | ElderGrizzly |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:41 - Jan 31 by Guthrum |
Might be the player wanting out, too, if he thinks the midfield is too crowded for him to get much of a look-in. |
If he doesn't fit McKenna's long term vision I don't have an issue with it. We have to trust his vision I guess.
Assume one of our higher wage earners too, so we can't keep paying people to not be in the squad.
Just feels a bit of loss given he is only 26 and could have best years ahead of him still. |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:47 - Jan 31 with 3291 views | portmanking |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:46 - Jan 31 by ElderGrizzly |
If he doesn't fit McKenna's long term vision I don't have an issue with it. We have to trust his vision I guess.
Assume one of our higher wage earners too, so we can't keep paying people to not be in the squad.
Just feels a bit of loss given he is only 26 and could have best years ahead of him still. |
It's not a 'loss'. We're making a profit on him and we'll no doubt replace him with a far more dynamic player. McKenna clearly values dynamism and athleticism in the middle of the park, which is fine by me at League One level. |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:50 - Jan 31 with 3263 views | Guthrum |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:46 - Jan 31 by ElderGrizzly |
If he doesn't fit McKenna's long term vision I don't have an issue with it. We have to trust his vision I guess.
Assume one of our higher wage earners too, so we can't keep paying people to not be in the squad.
Just feels a bit of loss given he is only 26 and could have best years ahead of him still. |
Even when he did get games, was mostly used out wide rather than in his preferred central position.
Suspect he was snapped up as a quality target of opportunity, but then didn't entirely fit into the setup once the squad was fully assembled. | |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:52 - Jan 31 with 3223 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:47 - Jan 31 by portmanking |
It's not a 'loss'. We're making a profit on him and we'll no doubt replace him with a far more dynamic player. McKenna clearly values dynamism and athleticism in the middle of the park, which is fine by me at League One level. |
I dont get this view, we're struggling to create goal scoring opportunities, lets get rid of someone who's main role is creating goal scoring opportunities and someone who's bloody good at doing in. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:55 - Jan 31 with 3185 views | PhilTWTD |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:50 - Jan 31 by Guthrum |
Even when he did get games, was mostly used out wide rather than in his preferred central position.
Suspect he was snapped up as a quality target of opportunity, but then didn't entirely fit into the setup once the squad was fully assembled. |
Thought for all his ability on the ball his lack of pace and mobility hampered him too much. |  | | |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:57 - Jan 31 with 3128 views | Dubtractor |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:55 - Jan 31 by PhilTWTD |
Thought for all his ability on the ball his lack of pace and mobility hampered him too much. |
Exactly this. I'm surprised people are surprised tbh.
If we get our money back, and no wage liability, then this us a good result. Think of the misfit players we've kept on the wage bill for years, always hoping they would come good. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:59 - Jan 31 with 3085 views | Wickets |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:55 - Jan 31 by PhilTWTD |
Thought for all his ability on the ball his lack of pace and mobility hampered him too much. |
He seemed very one paced and maybe lacks confidence ? as his penalty miss seemed to almost destroy him . Best he makes a new start good luck to him . |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:00 - Jan 31 with 3064 views | portmanking |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:57 - Jan 31 by Dubtractor |
Exactly this. I'm surprised people are surprised tbh.
If we get our money back, and no wage liability, then this us a good result. Think of the misfit players we've kept on the wage bill for years, always hoping they would come good. |
100%. The club can't win. Been criticised in the past for holding on to midfielders for too long in the hope they come good. Now, they move on a player for a small profit that could allow McKenna to bring in a midfielder in his own mould and they're being lambasted!
As Phil says, his lack of mobility and dynamism was a huge surprise and doesn't tally with last year's stats. You have to wonder if the MK Dons team was built totally around him last term and McKenna's simply not prepared to do that here. | | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:03 - Jan 31 with 2999 views | homer_123 |
Not really, as I said before - it's clear that he doesn't fit what McK wants from a midfielder. He's not mobile or strong enough. Technically very capable.
No issue at all with him going, wish him well. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:03 - Jan 31 with 2995 views | Stadiumofdark |
charlton play MK Dons, Oxford, Wigan, Wednesday, Sunderland in the next month.
Ashton's not stupid..... it's to help us close the gap. Obvs |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:04 - Jan 31 with 2984 views | MerseyBlue |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:52 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
I dont get this view, we're struggling to create goal scoring opportunities, lets get rid of someone who's main role is creating goal scoring opportunities and someone who's bloody good at doing in. |
When did he do that for us? He's looked pretty poor in a Town shirt to me. He had one good game didn't he? Not to say he won't go on to better things, but it didn't seem to be working and maybe he wanted out. Time may have changed that if given his preferred role, but if this helps us to get someone more suited to the team in, then winner winner. No real hard feelings with Fraser, it just hasn't worked out. If Charlton are paying us more than we paid then it's good business. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:04 - Jan 31 with 2971 views | Tonytown |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:00 - Jan 31 by portmanking |
100%. The club can't win. Been criticised in the past for holding on to midfielders for too long in the hope they come good. Now, they move on a player for a small profit that could allow McKenna to bring in a midfielder in his own mould and they're being lambasted!
As Phil says, his lack of mobility and dynamism was a huge surprise and doesn't tally with last year's stats. You have to wonder if the MK Dons team was built totally around him last term and McKenna's simply not prepared to do that here. |
To be fair, they replaced him with Scott Twine and it seems to have been good business for them looking at the table. | | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:04 - Jan 31 with 2965 views | homer_123 |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:52 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
I dont get this view, we're struggling to create goal scoring opportunities, lets get rid of someone who's main role is creating goal scoring opportunities and someone who's bloody good at doing in. |
McK wants a high press - moving the ball at pace and players that are mobile and can cover ground.
Herein lies the issue with Fraser. | |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:04 - Jan 31 with 2967 views | DJR |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:52 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
I dont get this view, we're struggling to create goal scoring opportunities, lets get rid of someone who's main role is creating goal scoring opportunities and someone who's bloody good at doing in. |
Agreed. The same is probably true of Coulson to an extent, although there are extenuating circumstances with him. At present we've replaced them with Bakinson and Thompson who don't look to me particularly creative players. Let's just hope we pull something out the bag today on the acquisition front. |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:11 - Jan 31 with 2773 views | jayessess |
It's just not good squad management to hold onto 11 midfielders for 3/4 spots. It's bad for coaching, it's bad for squad morale, it's a bad use of our limited resources.
Fraser's got a lot of good qualities, but if he wasn't in our immediate first team plans then recouping our money whilst we still can is the right thing to do. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:14 - Jan 31 with 2739 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:04 - Jan 31 by MerseyBlue |
When did he do that for us? He's looked pretty poor in a Town shirt to me. He had one good game didn't he? Not to say he won't go on to better things, but it didn't seem to be working and maybe he wanted out. Time may have changed that if given his preferred role, but if this helps us to get someone more suited to the team in, then winner winner. No real hard feelings with Fraser, it just hasn't worked out. If Charlton are paying us more than we paid then it's good business. |
Think it's difficult to judge overall due to him being used in the wrong position, but even then, he's top when it comes to Key passes,
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/165/Show/England-Ipswich
Just think personally, there is a lot to work with there, you don't get the stats he did last year out of luck, we just haven't used him correctly.
Just a shame we aren't utilising a player who clearly has a talent that we're lacking in other areas. | |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:22 - Jan 31 with 2656 views | jayessess |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:14 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Think it's difficult to judge overall due to him being used in the wrong position, but even then, he's top when it comes to Key passes,
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/165/Show/England-Ipswich
Just think personally, there is a lot to work with there, you don't get the stats he did last year out of luck, we just haven't used him correctly.
Just a shame we aren't utilising a player who clearly has a talent that we're lacking in other areas. |
Fraser's going to be on a first team player's wage and is peak age for a footballer, so we can't keep him around as a squad player. So the question isn't whether Fraser has good attributes, it's whose spot in the first team he's supposed to occupy.
Is he ultimately better than Morsy and Evans in the 2? Are we putting him ahead of at least 2 of Chaplin, Celina and Aluko? I don't think so really. | |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:26 - Jan 31 with 2610 views | BarcaBlue |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:14 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Think it's difficult to judge overall due to him being used in the wrong position, but even then, he's top when it comes to Key passes,
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/165/Show/England-Ipswich
Just think personally, there is a lot to work with there, you don't get the stats he did last year out of luck, we just haven't used him correctly.
Just a shame we aren't utilising a player who clearly has a talent that we're lacking in other areas. |
How do they compare to Celina's stats? |  | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:27 - Jan 31 with 2600 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:22 - Jan 31 by jayessess |
Fraser's going to be on a first team player's wage and is peak age for a footballer, so we can't keep him around as a squad player. So the question isn't whether Fraser has good attributes, it's whose spot in the first team he's supposed to occupy.
Is he ultimately better than Morsy and Evans in the 2? Are we putting him ahead of at least 2 of Chaplin, Celina and Aluko? I don't think so really. |
Yeah, we're well stacked and it's a luxury few teams could afford (or be allowed to afford according to FFP) to have 1st team quality players as backup. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:30 - Jan 31 with 2564 views | ElderGrizzly |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 09:47 - Jan 31 by portmanking |
It's not a 'loss'. We're making a profit on him and we'll no doubt replace him with a far more dynamic player. McKenna clearly values dynamism and athleticism in the middle of the park, which is fine by me at League One level. |
'Loss' wasn't meant to be financial, but wider given what he does bring to a team.
He had most 'key passes' in all 4 leagues last season and is impactful in the area we are currently struggling with.
I trust McKenna if he feels we need something different though. | | | |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:33 - Jan 31 with 2529 views | Darth_Koont |
Probably.
On the other hand, he’s not going to get much of a look in before the end of the season with Celina, Aluko and Chaplin going for 2 but often just 1 position.
I’d have preferred to have loaned him out though. |  |
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| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:34 - Jan 31 with 2520 views | MerseyBlue |
| We gave up on Scott Fraser very very early on 10:14 - Jan 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Think it's difficult to judge overall due to him being used in the wrong position, but even then, he's top when it comes to Key passes,
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/165/Show/England-Ipswich
Just think personally, there is a lot to work with there, you don't get the stats he did last year out of luck, we just haven't used him correctly.
Just a shame we aren't utilising a player who clearly has a talent that we're lacking in other areas. |
Fair play on the stats because he has looked lost on a lot of occasions I have seen him play, drilling a lot ot passes into nothingness - I do agree he hasn't been played in position but if he's not going to be used there then may as well get rid when a decent offer comes in. He will probably do well with Charlton but I think we can use the wage budget more effectively. Ultimately it will depend on who comes in through the door today in response to his departure. I'm excited to see KMc put some sort ot stamp on things with a January window. | |
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