| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? 08:48 - Feb 6 with 2504 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
What would you take, going up and likely straight back down again or build on what we have for hopefully promotion next year with more chance of staying up?
I realise these aren't the only options but days like yesterday suggests the former would be more than likely and it feels like some considered additions to our core could well lead to the latter. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 08:49 - Feb 6 with 2162 views | J2BLUE |
The owners clearly plan to invest if we go up. Not sure we would come straight back down again to be honest. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 08:54 - Feb 6 with 2134 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 08:49 - Feb 6 by J2BLUE |
The owners clearly plan to invest if we go up. Not sure we would come straight back down again to be honest. |
I realise that but that would require something akin to bombsquad part 2 and I'm not sure that would turn out well.
Edit...but anyway I'll chalk you up for 'scrape promotion.' I am genuinely undecided at the moment although erring towards 'would love the short term journey of finding out.' Sensible head says 'more solid foundations' though. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 8:59]
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 08:59 - Feb 6 with 2092 views | Stewart27 |
I’ll hold my hand up and say that I was naive enough to think it would be better in the long term to get relegated and build again.
I was wrong. Three years later we are still mid table in division 3.
Get out of this awful god forsaken league as soon as possible. |  | | |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 09:11 - Feb 6 with 2043 views | Dubtractor |
Thing is, if we do manage to make the play offs, then we'll have maintained some serious form/momentum over the rest of the season meaning the McKenna's system will have clicked.
Play like yesterday too often and we won't be bothering the playoffs anyway. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 09:12 - Feb 6 with 2033 views | Pinewoodblue |
The best preparation for a shot at promotion next season is to give it a go this season at least for the next six games.
If in six games time we have a settled team, with results having gone our way, promotion may be within reach.
We are currently six points worse off than same stage last season. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 09:27 - Feb 6 with 1994 views | MattinLondon |
Promotion this season.
The longer you stay in s**t the more you get covered in it. L1 is awful and the sooner we’re out of it the better.
Edit. If we somehow do go up this season - and it’s a long shot - then I’d rather have a complete rebuild in the championship then doing much the same in L1. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 9:35]
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 09:37 - Feb 6 with 1957 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 09:11 - Feb 6 by Dubtractor |
Thing is, if we do manage to make the play offs, then we'll have maintained some serious form/momentum over the rest of the season meaning the McKenna's system will have clicked.
Play like yesterday too often and we won't be bothering the playoffs anyway. |
Do you think that the clicked version would be strong enough with a few careful additions to survive in the Championship? | |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 09:41 - Feb 6 with 1929 views | GeoffSentence |
Get out of this god forsaken division, away from the likes of Accrington as soon as possible.
We'd do better than you think in the Championship. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:02 - Feb 6 with 1896 views | Guthrum |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 08:54 - Feb 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I realise that but that would require something akin to bombsquad part 2 and I'm not sure that would turn out well.
Edit...but anyway I'll chalk you up for 'scrape promotion.' I am genuinely undecided at the moment although erring towards 'would love the short term journey of finding out.' Sensible head says 'more solid foundations' though. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 8:59]
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I disagree on that first point. I think this squad has enough to survive in the Championship without wholesale changes. It might be easier to get our style working there, where fewer teams simply stick 10 men in defence and there might be more space for our attack to flow into.
Indeed, going mad and hiring a load of players on second-tier wages may be the worst thing we could do. As long as we don't go mad, a one-season promotion followed by relegation is by no means a disaster (hasn't done Wycombe much harm). We might not get any parachute money, but it will have been a year on a much higher income.
Plus it will far improve our chance of hanging onto the better members of our squad, including those on loan we may want to buy. Thus will actually reduce churn.
Putting down roots and building foundations in the Champ, having a shot at staying up, is a lot better than definitely spending yet another season down here. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:02 - Feb 6 with 1886 views | Dubtractor |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 09:37 - Feb 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Do you think that the clicked version would be strong enough with a few careful additions to survive in the Championship? |
I would hope so, but in all honesty you just never know. We would definitely need some additions though, no doubt about that! | |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:12 - Feb 6 with 1856 views | jayessess |
You can't build serious foundations in League One though. It limits what players you can sign, it leaves you vulnerable to losing players who do thrive, it stymies the development of anyone talented enough to play at that level. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:42 - Feb 6 with 1822 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:02 - Feb 6 by Dubtractor |
I would hope so, but in all honesty you just never know. We would definitely need some additions though, no doubt about that! |
A quick think about who the surviving core might be based on continuing with 3 at the back...
Walton...Donacien...Wolf....Morsy....Aluko....Burns
If available...Celina
Maybes...Edmundsun (more so in a 4) Chaplin, Evans (with Morsy)
If available....Bonne
Quite a few additions imho | |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:48 - Feb 6 with 1800 views | SomethingBlue |
I don't see why it's likely we would go straight back down. Try and do it this year — needs a couple of big results very soon but our form since Charlton is good and if we can at least maintain it we will have some sort of chance. | |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:49 - Feb 6 with 1792 views | Cotty |
I want ITFC to win every game and get promoted, why on Earth would anyone think otherwise? Next season is future Cotty’s problem. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 10:54]
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 11:01 - Feb 6 with 1747 views | MattinLondon |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 10:49 - Feb 6 by Cotty |
I want ITFC to win every game and get promoted, why on Earth would anyone think otherwise? Next season is future Cotty’s problem. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 10:54]
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Exactly, staying down to build a new foundation is the new relegation will help reset. | | | |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 13:20 - Feb 6 with 1631 views | gordon |
To be fair, I don't think 'scrape play-off promotion' is one of the realistic options.
It's either 'miraculous end to the season with incredible form wins us the play-offs' or
'finish (somewhere between) 7th - 13th with a good/average/poor end to the season'. |  | | |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 13:27 - Feb 6 with 1609 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 13:20 - Feb 6 by gordon |
To be fair, I don't think 'scrape play-off promotion' is one of the realistic options.
It's either 'miraculous end to the season with incredible form wins us the play-offs' or
'finish (somewhere between) 7th - 13th with a good/average/poor end to the season'. |
If the miracle happens do you think we are close to having enough to stay up? | |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 15:58 - Feb 6 with 1519 views | stonojnr |
Id say get out of this league (upwards obviously) at the earliest opportunity, the longer we stay in League 1, the harder it becomes to get out.
we shouldnt have sunk so low in our expectations that we think we are now barely capable of being a Championship team anymore. | | | |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 16:07 - Feb 6 with 1489 views | Churchman |
Take promotion straight away. Like a shot. Who’s to say the momentum wouldn’t carry on in the Championship.
Highly unlikely to happen, so if it’s option 2 of building a good team next year, fine. |  | | |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 16:12 - Feb 6 with 1472 views | jayessess |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 13:27 - Feb 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If the miracle happens do you think we are close to having enough to stay up? |
We'd be a very different team by the time August rolled around, surely? Good pre-season, ability to sign better players, tv money, bumper season ticket sales, any players we sell double in value overnight etc etc. | |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 16:23 - Feb 6 with 1427 views | FightingEssex |
We’d need a overhaul to become a top 6 side. This has to centre around recruitment and bringing in the right characters to push on and move on a large number of passengers that Cook picked up in the summer which should be Carrol, Piggot, Evans, Morsy, Harper , Edwards, Hladky, Penny and co. I’d keep Walton, Edmonson, Burns, Aluko, Chaplin and ideally get Bonne. I’d also move on KVY, Jackson and Norwood, Norwood works his backside off but he’s showing his age a bit and next season may be a bit too much. Young has been crud for Ipswich bar a handful of games at the start. |  |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 17:10 - Feb 6 with 1347 views | bazza |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 08:54 - Feb 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I realise that but that would require something akin to bombsquad part 2 and I'm not sure that would turn out well.
Edit...but anyway I'll chalk you up for 'scrape promotion.' I am genuinely undecided at the moment although erring towards 'would love the short term journey of finding out.' Sensible head says 'more solid foundations' though. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 8:59]
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I’d say some of the players in our squad would benefit from playing footballing teams in the championship, as opposed to the league 1 rugby league, I’d say 60-70% of our core squad would keeps us at mid table championship level. |  | | |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 17:39 - Feb 6 with 1282 views | gordon |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 13:27 - Feb 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If the miracle happens do you think we are close to having enough to stay up? |
I think we would spend enough if we went up that we'd have a decent chance - would need another big turnover of players though, but think that whenever we go up if we go up, we'll have to bring in quite a few new players.
Currently it's looking like Walton, Burns, Morsy and Chaplin are potentially good enough to be starters for a lower mid-table championship team, maybe Woolfenden as well. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 17:41]
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 22:14 - Feb 6 with 1123 views | jayessess |
| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 17:39 - Feb 6 by gordon |
I think we would spend enough if we went up that we'd have a decent chance - would need another big turnover of players though, but think that whenever we go up if we go up, we'll have to bring in quite a few new players.
Currently it's looking like Walton, Burns, Morsy and Chaplin are potentially good enough to be starters for a lower mid-table championship team, maybe Woolfenden as well. [Post edited 6 Feb 2022 17:41]
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Quite a few of them have been OK at that level before, haven't they? Edmundson, Evans, Celina, Aluko, Bonne, Carroll, even Harper, were regulars for teams that didn't get relegated. Which either tells you the standard for staying up isn't that taxing or that it's more important how a team functions collectively rather than the quality of individuals. | |
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| Scrape play off promotion or build foundations? on 22:20 - Feb 6 with 1111 views | PrrrromotionGiven |
There is absolutely no such thing as a bad promotion. Total myth. It does wonders for your finances and even if you go back down you are in a much stronger position compared to if you never went up. | | | |
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