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Will be interested to see how McKenna adapts moving forward.
On Saturday I noticed three or four times that we broke where Ladapo did brilliantly to find a gap for a ball to play him in but Morsy, Chaplin, Evans and then Aluko didn’t spot it and played a little ball sideways losing that chance.
That’s the ball Celina saw last season for Burns against Charlton and Burns against Plymouth and I think for Jackson against Burton too. Hopefully part of the analysis will be for players to get their heads up there, look for that pass and if it’s not on then play the pass they ended up playing.
Jackson made a similar run late on too.
Really impressed Saturday but that’s the one thing I’ve noticed that we’ve lacked a little bit in the opening two games. The vision to see those runs.
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The passes Celina spots on 12:37 - Aug 8 with 1854 views
Sadly there is nobody available to us either within the squad or — almost certainly — in the transfer market who has the vision Celina offered, which is why we should have got the deal over the line when it was virtually on a plate for us.
The passes Celina spots on 12:37 - Aug 8 by SomethingBlue
Sadly there is nobody available to us either within the squad or — almost certainly — in the transfer market who has the vision Celina offered, which is why we should have got the deal over the line when it was virtually on a plate for us.
His Club was the stumbling block and I remain unconvinced that we should have blown the majority of our budget on him if his Club were playing hard ball.
Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
The passes Celina spots on 12:41 - Aug 8 by homer_123
His Club was the stumbling block and I remain unconvinced that we should have blown the majority of our budget on him if his Club were playing hard ball.
He'll be back next season when his contract is done. Def info.
The passes Celina spots on 12:37 - Aug 8 by SomethingBlue
Sadly there is nobody available to us either within the squad or — almost certainly — in the transfer market who has the vision Celina offered, which is why we should have got the deal over the line when it was virtually on a plate for us.
There's no doubt Celina spots things over players in League One won't.
The issue is passes that players like Morsy and Evans can spot and can play but on Saturday we didn't look for them. Nudged the ball sideways when Ladapo or Jackson had found a huge pocket of space and a decent pass has them one on one with the keeper.
Hopefully it is something McKenna can ensure our midfielders and wing backs scan before making the decision.
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The passes Celina spots on 12:45 - Aug 8 with 1779 views
We should've signed him, if the deal was possible it should've been done. Dont get me wrong I'm happy with our transfer business.
But we will miss what Celina gave us last season, and there is no other player at this level we can sign who can give that to us. That one annoyed me a bit.
I think we seemed to try a lot of those passes last season because we were breaking down defences.
Now with the different 3s all playing higher up and closer together than say Celina, Bonne and Chaplin last year, we’ll hopefully be causing more problems for defences with pace, movement and the ability to get into space behind. Not to mention the pressing and defending from the front which has already looked a step up.
I wouldn’t be surprised by an X factor attacking signing or loanee who is dropping down a level or two. But I think there are certain advantages by not needing or waiting for special players to do something extraordinary. In a promotion team, the whole always seems to be a lot more than the sum of its individual parts.
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The passes Celina spots on 12:50 - Aug 8 with 1756 views
The passes Celina spots on 12:37 - Aug 8 by SomethingBlue
Sadly there is nobody available to us either within the squad or — almost certainly — in the transfer market who has the vision Celina offered, which is why we should have got the deal over the line when it was virtually on a plate for us.
To be fair from what little I’ve seen of him I think Humphreys is probably the closest ball player to Celina that we’ve got, he’s got an excellent eye for a pass.
The passes Celina spots on 12:46 - Aug 8 by Darth_Koont
I think we seemed to try a lot of those passes last season because we were breaking down defences.
Now with the different 3s all playing higher up and closer together than say Celina, Bonne and Chaplin last year, we’ll hopefully be causing more problems for defences with pace, movement and the ability to get into space behind. Not to mention the pressing and defending from the front which has already looked a step up.
I wouldn’t be surprised by an X factor attacking signing or loanee who is dropping down a level or two. But I think there are certain advantages by not needing or waiting for special players to do something extraordinary. In a promotion team, the whole always seems to be a lot more than the sum of its individual parts.
I have been impressed with the changes already, a lot of which Ladapo deserves credit for.
Last season, Celina liked to drift in centrally from the left perhaps because he didn't trust the service from the left sided wing back options. It felt like we couldn't get anything going centrally and it was a case of trying to get Burns to get in behind and fizz a ball across the box.
Already with Ladapo holding it up so much better, we have players playing off him and it's opening different angles and not making us so one dimensional. The option of Davis / Leigh also gives us that balance as well which itself is spreading the defence a tiny bit more and offering a little bit more room.
Just feel that when we win the ball back and we've got a killer ball on someone needs to look for it. Don't want to give the ball away needlessly or waste possession but Ladapo has completely lost his marker at times when anticipating we'd nick the ball in midfield and the defender has switched off because his team has the ball. Been class to watch but you can see he's been annoyed a couple of times we've not even looked towards him for a pass.
We look a much better attacking side already. Harness has beee quiet but he's offered a closer link with Ladapo more central and that's opened up a big gap for the LWB to do what Burns does. If Burns can recapture his form we will be laughing. He's had less of a break and looks less willing to knock the ball in behind and run, but that may be on McKenna's instruction to a degree plus he's more of a known quantity and not sure teams are leaving the same gaps.
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The passes Celina spots on 12:56 - Aug 8 with 1725 views
Celina isn't here and didn't sign for us, so why are we still having this discussion? What's more productive is focusing on the players that we do have and getting the best out of them. One thing I've noticed over the last two games is how Morsy is getting forward from midfield and into the penalty box, far better than what he did last season, which is encouraging to see. Can see him getting his fair share of goals this season.
Those clever passes generated just 6 assists last season.
Don't get me wrong, he would have been an asset, but the cost/benefit of having him doubtless got measured and I'm quite sure that the output was viewed as not being worth the investment.
I've got faith in the management team (can't really imagine saying that 2 years ago!). Let's see where this goes.
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The passes Celina spots on 13:01 - Aug 8 with 1687 views
The passes Celina spots on 13:00 - Aug 8 by itfc_bucks
6 assists.
Those clever passes generated just 6 assists last season.
Don't get me wrong, he would have been an asset, but the cost/benefit of having him doubtless got measured and I'm quite sure that the output was viewed as not being worth the investment.
I've got faith in the management team (can't really imagine saying that 2 years ago!). Let's see where this goes.
Probably worth looking at his xA/chances created rather than just how many assists he got. He should've had far more than 6 assists last season, if certain good/easy chances were finished.
The passes Celina spots on 12:56 - Aug 8 by Chrisd
Celina isn't here and didn't sign for us, so why are we still having this discussion? What's more productive is focusing on the players that we do have and getting the best out of them. One thing I've noticed over the last two games is how Morsy is getting forward from midfield and into the penalty box, far better than what he did last season, which is encouraging to see. Can see him getting his fair share of goals this season.
It's not a discussion about why we didn't sign Celina.
It's a comment about how Morsy and Evans didn't even look up Saturday three or four times when Ladapo would have been clean through and how it's something I expect McKenna to spot.
FGR had the ball in midfield and Ladapo was superb at getting away from the defender the second we won the ball back so they had no idea where he was. Instead our midfielders played the ball out wide and I'm simply saying Celina would have been aware of that killer ball that Evans and Morsy have the ability to have played if they'd looked for it.
I'm not worried about Celina not signing. But Ladapo is excellent at finding deadly space in that situation and given how well we win the balls back at time I hope we can be coached into looking for that pass if it's on and if not playing the pass we played Saturday.
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The passes Celina spots on 13:04 - Aug 8 with 1665 views
The passes Celina spots on 13:00 - Aug 8 by itfc_bucks
6 assists.
Those clever passes generated just 6 assists last season.
Don't get me wrong, he would have been an asset, but the cost/benefit of having him doubtless got measured and I'm quite sure that the output was viewed as not being worth the investment.
I've got faith in the management team (can't really imagine saying that 2 years ago!). Let's see where this goes.
We also had Norwood and Bonne who worked the channels well but didn't make the runs away from the defender Ladapo seems to make, or Jackson to a degree.
All I am saying is when we win the ball back and have a 10 yard space between defenders to play Ladapo in one on one, we need to be looking for that pass. Celina would have and it's not just something that's down to him having a better brain.
It's something we didn't have with last seasons strikers that Ladapo now offers that I expect McKenna will speak about.
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The passes Celina spots on 13:08 - Aug 8 with 1627 views
It's not a discussion about why we didn't sign Celina.
It's a comment about how Morsy and Evans didn't even look up Saturday three or four times when Ladapo would have been clean through and how it's something I expect McKenna to spot.
FGR had the ball in midfield and Ladapo was superb at getting away from the defender the second we won the ball back so they had no idea where he was. Instead our midfielders played the ball out wide and I'm simply saying Celina would have been aware of that killer ball that Evans and Morsy have the ability to have played if they'd looked for it.
I'm not worried about Celina not signing. But Ladapo is excellent at finding deadly space in that situation and given how well we win the balls back at time I hope we can be coached into looking for that pass if it's on and if not playing the pass we played Saturday.
Yep. Hopefully, as players get a bit more familiar with him and how he can find space, they should start playing it into him more.
The good news is I think Ladapo’s looked an asset and had chances in both games despite not really getting much favourable service.
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The passes Celina spots on 13:10 - Aug 8 with 1609 views
The passes Celina spots on 13:08 - Aug 8 by Darth_Koont
Yep. Hopefully, as players get a bit more familiar with him and how he can find space, they should start playing it into him more.
The good news is I think Ladapo’s looked an asset and had chances in both games despite not really getting much favourable service.
All round he looks great.
Hold up play makes a huge difference. He's got ahead of his man so many times from crosses, but we've not picked him out (Southend aside). He makes space for those runs in behind and he's closed down really well too.
Just hope he can get a goal or two early on so he doesn't start snatching at things. He looks very alive in the box and I'm sure he'll start to have a lot of chances in the coming weeks once we know where to look for him.
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The passes Celina spots on 13:15 - Aug 8 with 1590 views
The passes Celina spots on 13:01 - Aug 8 by TRUE_BLUE123
Probably worth looking at his xA/chances created rather than just how many assists he got. He should've had far more than 6 assists last season, if certain good/easy chances were finished.
I'm not convinced that that would be the case.
Do you have the data to back it up?
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The passes Celina spots on 13:17 - Aug 8 with 1575 views
The passes Celina spots on 13:15 - Aug 8 by itfc_bucks
I'm not convinced that that would be the case.
Do you have the data to back it up?
Do you need data.
We went to games. We saw Celina lay chances on a plate for Bonne, Norwood, Burns etc.
Nobody is suggesting he'd have got 25 assists. But I'd say he should have at least had 10-12 if we'd not been so wasteful.
Two for Bonne at Cheltenham and one for Burns against Plymouth off the top of my head straight away. That's 2 games of the 30-35 that Celina was involved in.
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The passes Celina spots on 13:18 - Aug 8 with 1573 views
It's not a discussion about why we didn't sign Celina.
It's a comment about how Morsy and Evans didn't even look up Saturday three or four times when Ladapo would have been clean through and how it's something I expect McKenna to spot.
FGR had the ball in midfield and Ladapo was superb at getting away from the defender the second we won the ball back so they had no idea where he was. Instead our midfielders played the ball out wide and I'm simply saying Celina would have been aware of that killer ball that Evans and Morsy have the ability to have played if they'd looked for it.
I'm not worried about Celina not signing. But Ladapo is excellent at finding deadly space in that situation and given how well we win the balls back at time I hope we can be coached into looking for that pass if it's on and if not playing the pass we played Saturday.
My reply wasn't about why he didn't sign for us. It's simply a pointless discussion. Lets be fair, Lapado wasn't playing with Celina last season and managed to get 15 goals for himself at Rotherham.
Chances created is defined as an assist for a shot so not a particularly telling number IMO, as opposed to xA which takes into account quality. Obviously he is still fairly high up in both but not quite the standout in the division that you’re suggesting
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The passes Celina spots on 13:25 - Aug 8 by Chrisd
My reply wasn't about why he didn't sign for us. It's simply a pointless discussion. Lets be fair, Lapado wasn't playing with Celina last season and managed to get 15 goals for himself at Rotherham.
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'Celina isn't here and didn't sign for us, so why are we still having this discussion'.
It is makes it easier for you I can simply make it about passes our midfield didn't spot Saturday, which other players would and you'd probably be asking for examples of which players would spot them FFS.
Last season, we had a player that spotted them and no players that made the run. Now we have a player who makes that run, it's a thread about hoping players do spot it.
Maybe Ladapo got 15 goals in part because his team mates did spot those runs.
From a few years ago but go to 2:26 here. Ladapo points and makes a run between the defenders. On Saturday he did the same but often got away from one defender and more centrally. As I say if we'd seen those runs we could have potentially had another couple of goals.
Few examples above too from Plymouth, Specifically 2:01. He gets away from defenders, starts a run and relies on the ball being delivered into those areas. Similar to his chance against West Ham. Clearly been a good part of his game for a while and one we need to utilise on occasion.
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The passes Celina spots on 13:59 - Aug 8 with 1399 views
'Celina isn't here and didn't sign for us, so why are we still having this discussion'.
It is makes it easier for you I can simply make it about passes our midfield didn't spot Saturday, which other players would and you'd probably be asking for examples of which players would spot them FFS.
Last season, we had a player that spotted them and no players that made the run. Now we have a player who makes that run, it's a thread about hoping players do spot it.
Maybe Ladapo got 15 goals in part because his team mates did spot those runs.
From a few years ago but go to 2:26 here. Ladapo points and makes a run between the defenders. On Saturday he did the same but often got away from one defender and more centrally. As I say if we'd seen those runs we could have potentially had another couple of goals.
Few examples above too from Plymouth, Specifically 2:01. He gets away from defenders, starts a run and relies on the ball being delivered into those areas. Similar to his chance against West Ham. Clearly been a good part of his game for a while and one we need to utilise on occasion.
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Blimey, if that's evidence that Lapado would miss a player like Celina I doubt it. The first 6-8 goals he was doing what good strikers do, getting in the right areas to anticipate something might happen, that's a striker's instinct, that's nothing to do with a player being able to spot a pass so that doesn't really back up your initial point. Celina is a very decent footballer when in the mood, but he isn't the only player to be able to make a pass, we've got some good players in our current side and as time goes by and the players get used to Lapado's movement and runs they'll make those passes. Lets not forget, they are still getting used to him, like he is with the rest of his team mates. It is going to take a bit of time and there will be teething problems even if Celina was here.
The passes Celina spots on 13:59 - Aug 8 by Chrisd
Blimey, if that's evidence that Lapado would miss a player like Celina I doubt it. The first 6-8 goals he was doing what good strikers do, getting in the right areas to anticipate something might happen, that's a striker's instinct, that's nothing to do with a player being able to spot a pass so that doesn't really back up your initial point. Celina is a very decent footballer when in the mood, but he isn't the only player to be able to make a pass, we've got some good players in our current side and as time goes by and the players get used to Lapado's movement and runs they'll make those passes. Lets not forget, they are still getting used to him, like he is with the rest of his team mates. It is going to take a bit of time and there will be teething problems even if Celina was here.
Very sorry that I don't have iFollow time stamped with multi camera angles of what I saw with my eyes. Thought that was a reasonable job with what I could find on YouTube.
Quite simply, on Saturday, those passes I highlighted to Ladapo from Rotherham or Plymouth would not have been made as Morsy and Evans looked sideways and not forwards. Celina (and Aluko just to make it relevant for you) get their heads up and see those passes.
It is not about getting used to Ladapo. It's about two midfielders whose first thought isn't a killer ball against two who look for that first and then scan elsewhere. A small thing McKenna can work on that might add 5 goals more this season. As I said Morsy and Evans can make that pass. But they won't if they don't see that it's on.
Probably more than we'll get from set pieces, which we all agree needed work, so fail to see why something like this seems so offensive to you as a suggestion of where we can improve.
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The passes Celina spots on 14:32 - Aug 8 with 1299 views
Very sorry that I don't have iFollow time stamped with multi camera angles of what I saw with my eyes. Thought that was a reasonable job with what I could find on YouTube.
Quite simply, on Saturday, those passes I highlighted to Ladapo from Rotherham or Plymouth would not have been made as Morsy and Evans looked sideways and not forwards. Celina (and Aluko just to make it relevant for you) get their heads up and see those passes.
It is not about getting used to Ladapo. It's about two midfielders whose first thought isn't a killer ball against two who look for that first and then scan elsewhere. A small thing McKenna can work on that might add 5 goals more this season. As I said Morsy and Evans can make that pass. But they won't if they don't see that it's on.
Probably more than we'll get from set pieces, which we all agree needed work, so fail to see why something like this seems so offensive to you as a suggestion of where we can improve.
Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with you on this, of course it's something that can be worked on and is about getting to know Lapado. It might not be Morsy or Evans' first instinct or that it comes naturally to them, but it is something that can be improved on in training so that relationship can be improved.
Lets get something straight, it's not that I found it 'offensive' it's the fact we continually go on about a player that is no longer here and has no influence on our play, so for me it's a pointless discussion. That's how I see it. Focus on what we do have is what I'm saying. Good observations for you, so credit there but from what I have seen in the first two league games there have been encouraging signs for me our play has been improved from last season.
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