| Appalling officials. 18:29 - Aug 14 with 2287 views | Scuzzer |
No idea how Spurs got away with scoring their goals.
And what is the point of VAR when it's not used correctly. |  |
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| Appalling officials. on 18:35 - Aug 14 with 2224 views | SitfcB |
Superb scenes. |  |
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| Appalling officials. on 18:49 - Aug 14 with 2166 views | Illinoisblue |
How did the ref and the assistant both miss that foul on Havertz? |  |
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| Appalling officials. on 19:08 - Aug 14 with 2085 views | Dyland |
| Appalling officials. on 18:49 - Aug 14 by Illinoisblue |
How did the ref and the assistant both miss that foul on Havertz? |
The studio all saying never a foul, arf. Clear foul (these days), incredibly inconsistent reffing (unless they're going to be letting stuff like that go from now on), and bizarre punditry. |  |
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| Appalling officials. on 19:35 - Aug 14 with 2021 views | jayessess |
As I understand it VAR checks for goals only apply to the phase of play the goal happens in and the Havertz foul happened quite a long time before the Tottenham goal, so I'm guessing it wasn't considered the same phase of play?
For the second one, the hair pulling and the goal are different corners. VAR can't retrospectively give free kicks, so they weren't checking whether Cucurella had been fouled, they were checking if the foul merited a sending off. |  |
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| Appalling officials. on 23:59 - Aug 14 with 1764 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Appalling officials. on 19:35 - Aug 14 by jayessess |
As I understand it VAR checks for goals only apply to the phase of play the goal happens in and the Havertz foul happened quite a long time before the Tottenham goal, so I'm guessing it wasn't considered the same phase of play?
For the second one, the hair pulling and the goal are different corners. VAR can't retrospectively give free kicks, so they weren't checking whether Cucurella had been fouled, they were checking if the foul merited a sending off. |
That’s exactly correct. However, if they’d sent him off would they have then had to award a free kick? That was my main question. Would they have issued a red car and still let Spurs take the second corner? |  | | |
| Appalling officials. on 00:08 - Aug 15 with 1753 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Appalling officials. on 19:08 - Aug 14 by Dyland |
The studio all saying never a foul, arf. Clear foul (these days), incredibly inconsistent reffing (unless they're going to be letting stuff like that go from now on), and bizarre punditry. |
“These days”, aren’t refs being told to let more go now?
He clearly got the ball anyway, so no foul, |  |
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| Appalling officials. on 07:37 - Aug 15 with 1532 views | jayessess |
| Appalling officials. on 23:59 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s exactly correct. However, if they’d sent him off would they have then had to award a free kick? That was my main question. Would they have issued a red car and still let Spurs take the second corner? |
I believe so, yes. You give the VAR decision, you give the respective free kick too. | |
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| Appalling officials. on 07:55 - Aug 15 with 1486 views | Chrisd |
There were quite a few incidents in the build up to both goals, but I do feel that incident with Havertz was a fair tackle. Initially, I thought it was a foul, but replays show the Spurs’ player does get a touch on the ball. However, Richarlison seems to be in an offside position and impeding Mendy’s view for the first goal and Romero can’t go around pulling people’s hair, that should’ve been a free kick prior to the corner for Kane’s goal. [Post edited 15 Aug 2022 8:03]
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| Appalling officials. on 09:07 - Aug 15 with 1367 views | ReusersTown |
| Appalling officials. on 07:37 - Aug 15 by jayessess |
I believe so, yes. You give the VAR decision, you give the respective free kick too. |
I'm pretty sure you can't give anything before the corner is taken. So I'd say that was the right non decision by the book. Unless that has since changed? | | | |
| Appalling officials. on 09:14 - Aug 15 with 1355 views | Dyland |
| Appalling officials. on 00:08 - Aug 15 by Wallingford_Boy |
“These days”, aren’t refs being told to let more go now?
He clearly got the ball anyway, so no foul, |
Ten years ago or whatever for sure, no foul. And yeh, it's a contact sport ffs! I'm talking about what refs blow up for multiple times during games these days. As you imply, maybe they've been told to stop being such massive fannies. | |
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| Appalling officials. on 09:26 - Aug 15 with 1320 views | berkstractorboy |
| Appalling officials. on 09:14 - Aug 15 by Dyland |
Ten years ago or whatever for sure, no foul. And yeh, it's a contact sport ffs! I'm talking about what refs blow up for multiple times during games these days. As you imply, maybe they've been told to stop being such massive fannies. |
Its contact but that can't impede the progress of another player. Yes there was the very slightest of touches by the spurs player but the ball continues almost exactly in the same line at the same pace and Havertz would be on the ball. The Spurs player coming from behind and taking the player down in the follow through is the issue. If he gets a much stronger touch that clearly takes possession away from Havertz is the only thing that can make it not a foul.
I don't think it's OK you should be able to pull a player to ground by their hair. | | | |
| Appalling officials. on 09:34 - Aug 15 with 1302 views | Dyland |
| Appalling officials. on 09:26 - Aug 15 by berkstractorboy |
Its contact but that can't impede the progress of another player. Yes there was the very slightest of touches by the spurs player but the ball continues almost exactly in the same line at the same pace and Havertz would be on the ball. The Spurs player coming from behind and taking the player down in the follow through is the issue. If he gets a much stronger touch that clearly takes possession away from Havertz is the only thing that can make it not a foul.
I don't think it's OK you should be able to pull a player to ground by their hair. |
Totally agree, and even twenty odd years ago or whatever if that was a tackle on a Town player I'd be screaming foul. But I can see why it may not be given ten plus years ago and/or today if refs have new guidelines. If I had to get off the fence I'd say foul.
And yes of course!
The officiating was crap imo. But as a neutral it was cracking fun, and always hilarious to see grown men lose the plot in the heat of the moment (as long as they don't hurt each other) :) | |
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| Appalling officials. on 09:42 - Aug 15 with 1274 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Appalling officials. on 00:08 - Aug 15 by Wallingford_Boy |
“These days”, aren’t refs being told to let more go now?
He clearly got the ball anyway, so no foul, |
I agree that it was not enough to give a foul..
That said I dislike Havertz for being a little cheating diver |  | | |
| Appalling officials. on 09:48 - Aug 15 with 1258 views | MattinLondon |
| Appalling officials. on 23:59 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
That’s exactly correct. However, if they’d sent him off would they have then had to award a free kick? That was my main question. Would they have issued a red car and still let Spurs take the second corner? |
Technically the ball wasn’t in play as the corner, at the time of the foul, hadn’t been taken - so you can’t get a free kick. Think I’m right. |  | | |
| Appalling officials. on 09:52 - Aug 15 with 1251 views | giant_stow |
Its was fun watching those to rats fight in a sack. great game. |  |
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| Appalling officials. on 09:55 - Aug 15 with 1239 views | berkstractorboy |
| Appalling officials. on 09:42 - Aug 15 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
I agree that it was not enough to give a foul..
That said I dislike Havertz for being a little cheating diver |
How much contact do you want after a feather touch of the ball!! | | | |
| Appalling officials. on 10:00 - Aug 15 with 1230 views | Vaughan8 |
I agree with the OP.
First one is a clear foul on Havertz. Yes Bentacur "gets the ball" but only by going through the player from behind?
Swcond one, if the ref sees the hair pull, i'm guessing its a freekick. However I'm assuming VAR doesn't give those kind of things so unless its a red card, they won't intervene.
Spurs got lucky in thaqt CHelsea were by far the better team and they got 2 goals that on another day wouldn't have been scored! | | | |
| Appalling officials. on 10:04 - Aug 15 with 1217 views | jayessess |
| Appalling officials. on 09:07 - Aug 15 by ReusersTown |
I'm pretty sure you can't give anything before the corner is taken. So I'd say that was the right non decision by the book. Unless that has since changed? |
I couldn't remember if the hair pulling took place during the 1st corner or prior to it. If it was before then yeah, you'd send him off and then have the corner. | |
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| Appalling officials. on 10:35 - Aug 15 with 1174 views | berkstractorboy |
| Appalling officials. on 10:00 - Aug 15 by Vaughan8 |
I agree with the OP.
First one is a clear foul on Havertz. Yes Bentacur "gets the ball" but only by going through the player from behind?
Swcond one, if the ref sees the hair pull, i'm guessing its a freekick. However I'm assuming VAR doesn't give those kind of things so unless its a red card, they won't intervene.
Spurs got lucky in thaqt CHelsea were by far the better team and they got 2 goals that on another day wouldn't have been scored! |
Lets hope as the ref took no action and VAR didn't check that retrospective action can be taken as that's as dangerous as the shove Morsy mad last season.
As fans we just want consistency of how they apply rules and punish teams even in the top 6 of the PL. | | | |
| Appalling officials. on 10:41 - Aug 15 with 1151 views | mylittletown |
Even without VAR, that would have been crap officiating.
The Havertz foul might be just about debatable, and Havertz did go over very easily.
However Richarlison was obviously offside and in the keeper's line of sight, not even marginal, and I don't think that you could get a more obvious incident than the hair pull.
VAR is now being used as an excuse for bad refereeing. |  | | |
| Appalling officials. on 12:54 - Aug 15 with 1013 views | Chrisd |
| Appalling officials. on 10:00 - Aug 15 by Vaughan8 |
I agree with the OP.
First one is a clear foul on Havertz. Yes Bentacur "gets the ball" but only by going through the player from behind?
Swcond one, if the ref sees the hair pull, i'm guessing its a freekick. However I'm assuming VAR doesn't give those kind of things so unless its a red card, they won't intervene.
Spurs got lucky in thaqt CHelsea were by far the better team and they got 2 goals that on another day wouldn't have been scored! |
Spurs were lucky and Chelsea’s deserved to win that game, but Conte and his team will see that as a point gained rather than two points lost. Spurs in the past would’ve wilted with a whimper against Chelsea, but they showed the resolve to stay in the game…..just! | |
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| Appalling officials. on 14:08 - Aug 15 with 934 views | jayessess |
| Appalling officials. on 12:54 - Aug 15 by Chrisd |
Spurs were lucky and Chelsea’s deserved to win that game, but Conte and his team will see that as a point gained rather than two points lost. Spurs in the past would’ve wilted with a whimper against Chelsea, but they showed the resolve to stay in the game…..just! |
Always think it's a bit daft for managers to focus on refereeing errors that are tangential to the goal they concede.
I think it is a foul on Havertz but it only resulted in them losing the ball deep in Tottenham territory and they didn't have any players beyond the ball. Play goes on for a minute or so after that and they even gain possession of the ball at one point. The goal has much more to do with Chelsea's defending than it does the officiating.
Similarly, there's no infringement on the second corner and the infringement on the first doesn't have any relation to how the play unfolds. Defend the corner and you don't have to complain after.
When you complain about these things I think you give your team licence to lose their composure. That's something I'd like to see us improve this season, especially when we're chasing games. Stop letting the opposition wind us up with timewasting and niggly fouls. | |
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| Appalling officials. on 14:22 - Aug 15 with 911 views | ronnyd |
| Appalling officials. on 10:00 - Aug 15 by Vaughan8 |
I agree with the OP.
First one is a clear foul on Havertz. Yes Bentacur "gets the ball" but only by going through the player from behind?
Swcond one, if the ref sees the hair pull, i'm guessing its a freekick. However I'm assuming VAR doesn't give those kind of things so unless its a red card, they won't intervene.
Spurs got lucky in thaqt CHelsea were by far the better team and they got 2 goals that on another day wouldn't have been scored! |
If Cucurella had 'proper ' haircut it wouldn't be a talking point.  . Joking aside, there was a hell of lot of poor decisions in that game but, it certainly made for an exciting one. | | | |
| Appalling officials. on 15:53 - Aug 15 with 862 views | Mediocre_Quick |
Taylor is a W8nk Pheasant, horrendous display yesterday |  | | |
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