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It is clear that runaway inflation has NOTHING to do with multi national fuel companies ripping us off and making record profits so who else is to blame? Good grief Mullet, it's so obviously the fault of benefit claimants. Surely you must see it? The 180,000 Tory Party members can see it, why can't you? I can't see any difference between Sunak and Truss. Both despicable Tories who will shaft the most vulnerable in society whilst pandering to their home crowd. Anyone who cannot see the self serving Tory agenda just doesn't want to look. 12 years in power and this is where we are!
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bluescouser
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 13:32 - Aug 18 with 1925 views
Benefit blame from Sunak on 11:22 - Aug 18 by cbower
It is clear that runaway inflation has NOTHING to do with multi national fuel companies ripping us off and making record profits so who else is to blame? Good grief Mullet, it's so obviously the fault of benefit claimants. Surely you must see it? The 180,000 Tory Party members can see it, why can't you? I can't see any difference between Sunak and Truss. Both despicable Tories who will shaft the most vulnerable in society whilst pandering to their home crowd. Anyone who cannot see the self serving Tory agenda just doesn't want to look. 12 years in power and this is where we are!
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Your last line is why we see no difference. The cabinet is stacked with puppets and political whores happy to shed and adopt any mad idea to get a nose ahead in their careers.
I still believe you shouldn't be able to get a cabinet position unless you've served at least 5 years in that area prior.
Benefit blame from Sunak on 13:32 - Aug 18 by SaleAway
the longer this contest goes on, the more damage it does. All we can hope is that people remember all of this the next time there is an election.
If there was a culture of attack ads in the same way there is in the US Labour would have hours of footage to use wouldn't they? As would the Dems and Greens
Benefit blame from Sunak on 13:33 - Aug 18 by Mullet
Your last line is why we see no difference. The cabinet is stacked with puppets and political whores happy to shed and adopt any mad idea to get a nose ahead in their careers.
I still believe you shouldn't be able to get a cabinet position unless you've served at least 5 years in that area prior.
I love the term 'political whores'. When I finished my degree in German & Politics in 1990 I still had belief in the political system of our country. That has been eroded over the last 30 years as successive governments of blue and red tinker at the margins but remain intent on largely preserving the Status Quo. When Gordon Brown bailed out the banks without really reforming the system my faith was shattered. Whilst my dislike of the Tories runs very deep, for Brown to preserve that system with very minimal change took the biscuit. Whilst opposing Major, Cameron and May in almost all of their domestic policy, I could at least see that they had some coherence and intellectual gravitas. Johnson, however, was the nadir of populism and it has made my pi$$ boil to watch our country drift for months into a major crisis whilst these 'political whores' and absolute minnows parade themselves infront of an electorate the size of Huddersfield in order to assume the reins of national power. Rant over!!!
bluescouser
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 14:11 - Aug 18 with 1849 views
Benefit blame from Sunak on 14:08 - Aug 18 by cbower
I love the term 'political whores'. When I finished my degree in German & Politics in 1990 I still had belief in the political system of our country. That has been eroded over the last 30 years as successive governments of blue and red tinker at the margins but remain intent on largely preserving the Status Quo. When Gordon Brown bailed out the banks without really reforming the system my faith was shattered. Whilst my dislike of the Tories runs very deep, for Brown to preserve that system with very minimal change took the biscuit. Whilst opposing Major, Cameron and May in almost all of their domestic policy, I could at least see that they had some coherence and intellectual gravitas. Johnson, however, was the nadir of populism and it has made my pi$$ boil to watch our country drift for months into a major crisis whilst these 'political whores' and absolute minnows parade themselves infront of an electorate the size of Huddersfield in order to assume the reins of national power. Rant over!!!
I can't make my mind up about Brown as a PM, part of me feels he got the Graham Taylor treatment from the press because he'd followed Blair and it wasn't expected. He sort of stood up as the revered veteran statesman last month or so, yet it's hard not to think he didn't go far enough to ensure we never ended up here in so many areas.
Benefit blame from Sunak on 14:11 - Aug 18 by Mullet
I can't make my mind up about Brown as a PM, part of me feels he got the Graham Taylor treatment from the press because he'd followed Blair and it wasn't expected. He sort of stood up as the revered veteran statesman last month or so, yet it's hard not to think he didn't go far enough to ensure we never ended up here in so many areas.
Brown is a decent enough man with a better moral compass than Blair but less public appeal. Blair shafted his premiership by hanging on for 2 years too long, especially if the 'agreement' story is true. Of course, he focussed on economic affairs but I think he had a greater handle on foreign affairs than people would believe - hence your 'revered veteran statesman' comment ringing true. His failure to really reform banking in the UK was merely symptomatic of how wedded to the City our entire system is, not just Gordon Brown.
bluescouser
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 14:56 - Aug 18 with 1742 views
The 9 hour light work requirement rule is crazy. We had people getting 9 hours jobs just to keep jcps off their back and only needed to see them once a month after that.
Benefit blame from Sunak on 15:11 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue
Certain aspects he does speak the truth.
The 9 hour light work requirement rule is crazy. We had people getting 9 hours jobs just to keep jcps off their back and only needed to see them once a month after that.
The key, there, though is numbers (putting aside considerations of the type of job where you can do this sort of thing).
How many benefit claimants, as a proportion of the overall number, do this sort of thing?
How much is the exchequer "wasting" paying benefits to such people?
How does that compare to things like the estimate of lost revenue from tax avoidance?
Benefit blame from Sunak on 17:31 - Aug 18 by You_Bloo_Right
The key, there, though is numbers (putting aside considerations of the type of job where you can do this sort of thing).
How many benefit claimants, as a proportion of the overall number, do this sort of thing?
How much is the exchequer "wasting" paying benefits to such people?
How does that compare to things like the estimate of lost revenue from tax avoidance?
Can only go on those I saw personally. But in an average caseload of 80, I had around 60 who were deemed to have light work requirements. And altho I would have to see them twice every 4 weeks to ' help' them to get full-time work, they only needed to sign on once a month with the jcp who were happy as long as they were engaging with our programme. Safe to say the large majority turned up. Ticked boxes and left.
Benefit blame from Sunak on 11:22 - Aug 18 by cbower
It is clear that runaway inflation has NOTHING to do with multi national fuel companies ripping us off and making record profits so who else is to blame? Good grief Mullet, it's so obviously the fault of benefit claimants. Surely you must see it? The 180,000 Tory Party members can see it, why can't you? I can't see any difference between Sunak and Truss. Both despicable Tories who will shaft the most vulnerable in society whilst pandering to their home crowd. Anyone who cannot see the self serving Tory agenda just doesn't want to look. 12 years in power and this is where we are!
[Post edited 18 Aug 2022 11:22]
I'm no economist but I can't see how giving me an extra £20 a month in tax cuts is going to cut inflation and leave me with a functioning public service which as I get older I'm more likely to depend on.
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 18:29 - Aug 18 with 1517 views
Benefit blame from Sunak on 17:42 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue
Can only go on those I saw personally. But in an average caseload of 80, I had around 60 who were deemed to have light work requirements. And altho I would have to see them twice every 4 weeks to ' help' them to get full-time work, they only needed to sign on once a month with the jcp who were happy as long as they were engaging with our programme. Safe to say the large majority turned up. Ticked boxes and left.
"I had around 60 who were deemed to have light work requirements".
Benefit blame from Sunak on 18:29 - Aug 18 by jeera
"I had around 60 who were deemed to have light work requirements".
By the medical profession one would assume.
No. They had passed the 9 hours of work minimum required to fall into the light work requirement threshold. No medical conditions. ( maj of those were also partners who had a partner in full-time work already)
It's why I decided to leave. So frustrating meeting with those who didn't want the help. Such a minute of reasons but some even as bad as ' I once was in finance I will only do finance. But it HAS to be wfh. M to f only.
To those who refused to travel more than 20 minutes on a train.
( got one client a job. He quit after day 2 as he didn't like getting home at 6pm) ( from a 5.30 finish!)
Absolutely there are thousands who need help and rightfully so when it comes to medical needs. But there are thousands who are happy to play the system.. I'm still amazed that people don't think this is the case.
Hear that sound? It’s the collective sigh of relief from immigrants/cyclists/“leftie” lawyers/EU institutions/universities/the National Trust/BBC, etc., that it not their turn this time.
Benefit blame from Sunak on 20:26 - Aug 18 by Swansea_Blue
Hear that sound? It’s the collective sigh of relief from immigrants/cyclists/“leftie” lawyers/EU institutions/universities/the National Trust/BBC, etc., that it not their turn this time.
It will be soon!
bluescouser
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 20:49 - Aug 18 with 1371 views
Benefit blame from Sunak on 14:08 - Aug 18 by cbower
I love the term 'political whores'. When I finished my degree in German & Politics in 1990 I still had belief in the political system of our country. That has been eroded over the last 30 years as successive governments of blue and red tinker at the margins but remain intent on largely preserving the Status Quo. When Gordon Brown bailed out the banks without really reforming the system my faith was shattered. Whilst my dislike of the Tories runs very deep, for Brown to preserve that system with very minimal change took the biscuit. Whilst opposing Major, Cameron and May in almost all of their domestic policy, I could at least see that they had some coherence and intellectual gravitas. Johnson, however, was the nadir of populism and it has made my pi$$ boil to watch our country drift for months into a major crisis whilst these 'political whores' and absolute minnows parade themselves infront of an electorate the size of Huddersfield in order to assume the reins of national power. Rant over!!!
And Starmer’s proposing to do the same tinkering with our energy suppliers; a short term fix but intimately not changing the system that has lead us here and leaving them in control. I can’t understand why, as public opinion polls seem to suggest nationalising energy/water/rail, etc., would be a vote winner (support is at c. 70%). So if it’s a vote winner, why the reluctance? I don’t think it’s down to lobbying/funding as Labour get a pittance from big business compared to the Tories.
(Labour would still be a better option than the Tories though, obviously).
Benefit blame from Sunak on 18:50 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue
No. They had passed the 9 hours of work minimum required to fall into the light work requirement threshold. No medical conditions. ( maj of those were also partners who had a partner in full-time work already)
It's why I decided to leave. So frustrating meeting with those who didn't want the help. Such a minute of reasons but some even as bad as ' I once was in finance I will only do finance. But it HAS to be wfh. M to f only.
To those who refused to travel more than 20 minutes on a train.
( got one client a job. He quit after day 2 as he didn't like getting home at 6pm) ( from a 5.30 finish!)
Absolutely there are thousands who need help and rightfully so when it comes to medical needs. But there are thousands who are happy to play the system.. I'm still amazed that people don't think this is the case.
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Of course, governments should maximise the amount of income, and be effective in spending it.
The amount of tax lost in Britain through non-payment, avoidance and fraud was around 35bn between 2019-2020.
The amount of money lost to benefits fraud in the same year was about 2.5bn
Hmmm, I wonder, what would be a good thing to target and make a fuss about.
Now an enquiring mind may try and find out how much benefits are spent on the specific case you are talking about and compare it to the 35bn figure.
Then think about what the potential new PM’s are actually doing.
Divide & Conquer
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 21:18 - Aug 18 with 1321 views
Benefit blame from Sunak on 20:49 - Aug 18 by Swansea_Blue
And Starmer’s proposing to do the same tinkering with our energy suppliers; a short term fix but intimately not changing the system that has lead us here and leaving them in control. I can’t understand why, as public opinion polls seem to suggest nationalising energy/water/rail, etc., would be a vote winner (support is at c. 70%). So if it’s a vote winner, why the reluctance? I don’t think it’s down to lobbying/funding as Labour get a pittance from big business compared to the Tories.
(Labour would still be a better option than the Tories though, obviously).
Fear that the media would misrepresent such move as lefty extremism and the floating voter would run scared I guess. How we ever let water privatisation happen is really beyond belief isn't it?
bluescouser
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 21:22 - Aug 18 with 1306 views
Benefit blame from Sunak on 21:07 - Aug 18 by eireblue
Of course, governments should maximise the amount of income, and be effective in spending it.
The amount of tax lost in Britain through non-payment, avoidance and fraud was around 35bn between 2019-2020.
The amount of money lost to benefits fraud in the same year was about 2.5bn
Hmmm, I wonder, what would be a good thing to target and make a fuss about.
Now an enquiring mind may try and find out how much benefits are spent on the specific case you are talking about and compare it to the 35bn figure.
Then think about what the potential new PM’s are actually doing.
Divide & Conquer
Interesting numbers there. Many of the big tax avoiders are probably Tory Party donors in some form or other...maybe. Who makes the better Daily Mail headline. Benefit 'cheats' or entrepreneurs with clever accountants?
bluescouser
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Benefit blame from Sunak on 21:28 - Aug 18 with 1287 views
Benefit blame from Sunak on 18:50 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue
No. They had passed the 9 hours of work minimum required to fall into the light work requirement threshold. No medical conditions. ( maj of those were also partners who had a partner in full-time work already)
It's why I decided to leave. So frustrating meeting with those who didn't want the help. Such a minute of reasons but some even as bad as ' I once was in finance I will only do finance. But it HAS to be wfh. M to f only.
To those who refused to travel more than 20 minutes on a train.
( got one client a job. He quit after day 2 as he didn't like getting home at 6pm) ( from a 5.30 finish!)
Absolutely there are thousands who need help and rightfully so when it comes to medical needs. But there are thousands who are happy to play the system.. I'm still amazed that people don't think this is the case.
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" 9 hours of work minimum required to fall into the light work requirement threshold"
Any chance you can explain this as I have no idea what it is and cannot find any info.
Benefit blame from Sunak on 21:18 - Aug 18 by cbower
Fear that the media would misrepresent such move as lefty extremism and the floating voter would run scared I guess. How we ever let water privatisation happen is really beyond belief isn't it?
Yes, possibly. He seems very keen to be seen as NOT Corbyn above all else due to how badly things went in the last election.
I’ve no idea why we pander to corporate interests above our own, but it seems a national hobby.
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