| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… 08:38 - Sep 5 with 2168 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:41 - Sep 5 with 1604 views | Bobsthename |
Think Boris done that himself by lying to the british voters.
Can’t trust any party or person nowadays we are all doomed need another independent party that’s honest and works for the British people. |  | | |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:43 - Sep 5 with 1587 views | Tonytown |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:41 - Sep 5 by Bobsthename |
Think Boris done that himself by lying to the british voters.
Can’t trust any party or person nowadays we are all doomed need another independent party that’s honest and works for the British people. |
UKIP perhaps | | | |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:54 - Sep 5 with 1526 views | Bobsthename |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:43 - Sep 5 by Tonytown |
UKIP perhaps |
Only if Farage comes back.🤫 | | | |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:57 - Sep 5 with 1514 views | tractordownsouth |
Interestingly, Tim Stanley was President of the Labour society at Cambridge and stood for the party in the 2005 GE. |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:58 - Sep 5 with 1507 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:57 - Sep 5 by tractordownsouth |
Interestingly, Tim Stanley was President of the Labour society at Cambridge and stood for the party in the 2005 GE. |
Another useless grifter then.... |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:58 - Sep 5 with 1508 views | Whos_blue |
Tim Stanley is a special sort of tool.
Loves being the pantomime villan.
Keeps him relevant. |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:02 - Sep 5 with 1491 views | Darth_Koont |
To be fair, people also get upset when I point out Starmer is equally untrustworthy and the Labour right are some of the most dishonest, unprincipled and empty people in politics.
The whole thing is a disgrace for a democracy in 2022. And the vast majority of the media are complicit by being unwilling to hold these people to account.
How did Westminster get so hopeless and inept? |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:12 - Sep 5 with 1448 views | Zapers |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:02 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
To be fair, people also get upset when I point out Starmer is equally untrustworthy and the Labour right are some of the most dishonest, unprincipled and empty people in politics.
The whole thing is a disgrace for a democracy in 2022. And the vast majority of the media are complicit by being unwilling to hold these people to account.
How did Westminster get so hopeless and inept? |
Can't disagree with that. | | | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:12 - Sep 5 with 1449 views | homer_123 |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:02 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
To be fair, people also get upset when I point out Starmer is equally untrustworthy and the Labour right are some of the most dishonest, unprincipled and empty people in politics.
The whole thing is a disgrace for a democracy in 2022. And the vast majority of the media are complicit by being unwilling to hold these people to account.
How did Westminster get so hopeless and inept? |
It's always been a cesspit though hasn't it.
I think though there are way more self-serving MPs than we have ever seen before. |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:18 - Sep 5 with 1424 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 08:58 - Sep 5 by Ewan_Oozami |
Another useless grifter then.... |
That but also he’s typical of many of the right-wingers who have slid into Labour over recent decades.
A majority of Labour voters, members and many local politicians are still social democrats/democratic socialists but the higher up you go these become a minority. It’s a centre-right party at the top and in its power base. | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:30 - Sep 5 with 1396 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:12 - Sep 5 by homer_123 |
It's always been a cesspit though hasn't it.
I think though there are way more self-serving MPs than we have ever seen before. |
Indeed. Politics seems to have attracted those who love the game of politics and/or want to get paid, rather than the public servants of old.
Of course, there were plenty of self-serving politicians back then too. But it just seems so brazen nowadays — maybe because the political media seem to have made it all about the game too. They’re fully part of this political industry that’s pushed the representative democracy itself down the list of their priorities. | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:31 - Sep 5 with 1399 views | unbelievablue |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:02 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
To be fair, people also get upset when I point out Starmer is equally untrustworthy and the Labour right are some of the most dishonest, unprincipled and empty people in politics.
The whole thing is a disgrace for a democracy in 2022. And the vast majority of the media are complicit by being unwilling to hold these people to account.
How did Westminster get so hopeless and inept? |
I agree, but the reason it's annoying/people get upset is that you do it on every.single.political.thread.
You've done it twice on this one already.
Someone points out some Boris or Conservative malfeasance, and you pop up with "the Labour right are just as bad etc. etc. etc.". |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:34 - Sep 5 with 1375 views | giant_stow |
I've read quite a few of his columns over the last year or so - he seems to have a very strange soft spot for Boris. Especially weird from him to talk about Christian Values in an article defending a lying, deceitful, self-interested sh1t. |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:36 - Sep 5 with 1366 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:31 - Sep 5 by unbelievablue |
I agree, but the reason it's annoying/people get upset is that you do it on every.single.political.thread.
You've done it twice on this one already.
Someone points out some Boris or Conservative malfeasance, and you pop up with "the Labour right are just as bad etc. etc. etc.". |
Indeed, if you read the “but Starmer” comments on any BBC News comment about the government, you genuinely can’t tell if they are from Tories or the Labour Left.
As evidence with DK getting upvotes from the likes of DaveU and Zapers - fairly sure they aren’t social democrats… | | | |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:42 - Sep 5 with 1323 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:31 - Sep 5 by unbelievablue |
I agree, but the reason it's annoying/people get upset is that you do it on every.single.political.thread.
You've done it twice on this one already.
Someone points out some Boris or Conservative malfeasance, and you pop up with "the Labour right are just as bad etc. etc. etc.". |
I’ll keep doing it too.
Boris supporters were rightly criticised for accepting his lies and general untrustworthiness because he was their man. Starmer supporters do the same.
The Tories aren’t good enough for the UK. Neither is Starmer’s Labour. Yet both sides pretend they are what is needed when the issues are way beyond their competence, their own self- interest or their political will.
We know this to be generally true. So as much as anything else it’s time to stop lying to ourselves. | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:45 - Sep 5 with 1309 views | giant_stow |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:42 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
I’ll keep doing it too.
Boris supporters were rightly criticised for accepting his lies and general untrustworthiness because he was their man. Starmer supporters do the same.
The Tories aren’t good enough for the UK. Neither is Starmer’s Labour. Yet both sides pretend they are what is needed when the issues are way beyond their competence, their own self- interest or their political will.
We know this to be generally true. So as much as anything else it’s time to stop lying to ourselves. |
The trouble is its a binary choice, at least until the voting system changes, so who do you pick? | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:46 - Sep 5 with 1301 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:36 - Sep 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Indeed, if you read the “but Starmer” comments on any BBC News comment about the government, you genuinely can’t tell if they are from Tories or the Labour Left.
As evidence with DK getting upvotes from the likes of DaveU and Zapers - fairly sure they aren’t social democrats… |
Bit silly.
I’m sure Zapers and DaveU are upset with politics because it finally turned on Boris, their Big Daddy Brexit.
Do you really think my concerns about the state of our democracy are the same? | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:50 - Sep 5 with 1293 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:45 - Sep 5 by giant_stow |
The trouble is its a binary choice, at least until the voting system changes, so who do you pick? |
It’s not a choice until a general election. And even then it’s not binary.
It shouldn’t be tribal either to the point that you howl about lies and inadequacy on one side but nod the same through for your team. | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:51 - Sep 5 with 1285 views | unbelievablue |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:50 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
It’s not a choice until a general election. And even then it’s not binary.
It shouldn’t be tribal either to the point that you howl about lies and inadequacy on one side but nod the same through for your team. |
Unless, of course, JC is your team. | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:54 - Sep 5 with 1262 views | Swansea_Blue |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:50 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
It’s not a choice until a general election. And even then it’s not binary.
It shouldn’t be tribal either to the point that you howl about lies and inadequacy on one side but nod the same through for your team. |
It seems very tribal for you though, just internal rather than between parties. Which doesn't seem a lot different to the thing you're complaining about. Most people who aren't intersted in the inner workings of Labour, just want a better alternative the this most corrupt and dishonest government. |  |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:57 - Sep 5 with 1243 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:51 - Sep 5 by unbelievablue |
Unless, of course, JC is your team. |
He definitely needed defending. Certainly the social democratic platform that right-wingers lied and cheated to dismiss and discredit.
Sadly, we have the politics and the country we very much deserve. Because even now we’re not facing up to reality. | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 10:00 - Sep 5 with 1236 views | giant_stow |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:50 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
It’s not a choice until a general election. And even then it’s not binary.
It shouldn’t be tribal either to the point that you howl about lies and inadequacy on one side but nod the same through for your team. |
Its not tribal for me - I just want a better govt and would vote for any party who looked likely to provide it. I'm uncomfortable with some of things Starmer's said, but on balance, his party looks more likely to do better things with no other choice available. I think in your heart of hearts you'd agree with that, but are now so firmly entrenched in your 'they all sh1t' argument, that you won't be able to admit that. [Post edited 5 Sep 2022 10:02]
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 10:01 - Sep 5 with 1222 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 09:54 - Sep 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It seems very tribal for you though, just internal rather than between parties. Which doesn't seem a lot different to the thing you're complaining about. Most people who aren't intersted in the inner workings of Labour, just want a better alternative the this most corrupt and dishonest government. |
That’s why I don’t see a corrupt and dishonest Labour Party as an alternative.
The country needs much, much better. From an opposition but certainly from a government if this is the case they’re supposedly trying to make. | |
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| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 10:06 - Sep 5 with 1190 views | mylittletown |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 10:01 - Sep 5 by Darth_Koont |
That’s why I don’t see a corrupt and dishonest Labour Party as an alternative.
The country needs much, much better. From an opposition but certainly from a government if this is the case they’re supposedly trying to make. |
Your best chance of getting that is to vote for whoever is most likely to beat the Tories in your constituency and then hope for a coalition government which introduces PR.
Otherwise the Tories will rule forever. |  | | |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 10:07 - Sep 5 with 1186 views | Darth_Koont |
| UK politics in disarray- It’s all our fault… on 10:00 - Sep 5 by giant_stow |
Its not tribal for me - I just want a better govt and would vote for any party who looked likely to provide it. I'm uncomfortable with some of things Starmer's said, but on balance, his party looks more likely to do better things with no other choice available. I think in your heart of hearts you'd agree with that, but are now so firmly entrenched in your 'they all sh1t' argument, that you won't be able to admit that. [Post edited 5 Sep 2022 10:02]
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Let’s have that discussion on polling day in a year or two when it’s actually relevant.
Not now when people need serious solutions to be debated and argued for. It’s the political equivalent of clapping for nurses and other “valued” public sector workers but not actually taking them seriously and certainly not giving them any real value. | |
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