| 16/1 for a general election this year 19:13 - Sep 28 with 1903 views | SitfcB |
Worth a £1?
Or 3/1 next year… |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:23 - Sep 28 with 1640 views | J2BLUE |
Doesn't it need something like a 12 week notice period for campaigning? Save your £1. |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:35 - Sep 28 with 1608 views | GlasgowBlue |
I'd put a few quid on Rishi being in No 10 by the end of the year rather than a General Election.
I would imagine he will have to offer to Starmer that he will go to the country within a year of being in office. |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:37 - Sep 28 with 1598 views | J2BLUE |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:35 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
I'd put a few quid on Rishi being in No 10 by the end of the year rather than a General Election.
I would imagine he will have to offer to Starmer that he will go to the country within a year of being in office. |
How would that work with the timeline? Basically 12 weeks until Christmas. Things would have to move very fast. | |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:49 - Sep 28 with 1572 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:37 - Sep 28 by J2BLUE |
How would that work with the timeline? Basically 12 weeks until Christmas. Things would have to move very fast. |
Worst case scenario for Truss is that the men in grey suits pay her a visit and she resigns. Rather than hold a leadership election Sunak is anointed in the same way Michael Howard was in opposition and Gordon Brown was when Blair stepped down.
Sunak predicted all of this and had more support from Tory MP's than Truss. The members can go fcuk themselves, quite frankly. | |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:51 - Sep 28 with 1568 views | J2BLUE |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:49 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Worst case scenario for Truss is that the men in grey suits pay her a visit and she resigns. Rather than hold a leadership election Sunak is anointed in the same way Michael Howard was in opposition and Gordon Brown was when Blair stepped down.
Sunak predicted all of this and had more support from Tory MP's than Truss. The members can go fcuk themselves, quite frankly. |
What if she refuses to resign? I genuinely don't know what happens.
She will be desperate to cling on to at least beat George Canning's record for shortest term. In his defence though, he died. She is just sh1te. | |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:59 - Sep 28 with 1539 views | jas0999 |
Not going to happen. No way the Tories vote against themselves. |  | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:59 - Sep 28 with 1543 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:37 - Sep 28 by J2BLUE |
How would that work with the timeline? Basically 12 weeks until Christmas. Things would have to move very fast. |
The rumours journalists are spreading suggests the end for Truss and team could be imminent*. So we could be looking at a new leader soon via a short cut, as Glassers has said. I’m also guessing they would break convention to save face and fall back on Sunak without another leadership contest (I certainly would - last thing we need now is another 3 month hiatus). Sunak’s been through the interview as it were and is effectively the reserve candidate.
An imminent change might explain why Truss has gone AWOL. (Wishful thinking?).
Whatever happens, this party has become a cancer for the UK. They’ve trashed us over the last, what 7 years now? And the 5 years before that was pretty grim too, but at least that was serious politics whether you agreed with them or not.
*But we all know how long that can take! |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:01 - Sep 28 with 1518 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
There is no way that happens unless the tories try and change leader again and no way they do that regardless of Truss because they'll get hammered.
Only way that happens is if the party decides she does more harm than a labour got would. I think it unlikely.
I'd say they cling on as long as possible, would take a monumentous swing in their own ranks for tbe house to call and confidence vote. |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:13 - Sep 28 with 1483 views | HARRY10 |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:37 - Sep 28 by J2BLUE |
How would that work with the timeline? Basically 12 weeks until Christmas. Things would have to move very fast. |
In 2019 Parliament broke up on Nov 6th and the GE was Dec 12th - 5 weeks
Whilst the Tory Party rules can be changed so as to boot out Truss, the thought is that most have already took to the hills, and so there was only some fourth raters willing to act a fall gut, hence Truss
The thought is that Johnson left such a mess that whatever happens the Tories will lose the next election, heavily - so better to get it over with before more harm is done. A measure of voters dislike will be the upcoming by election in West Lancs.
The massive voter switch was attributed to disgust and almost hatred of the bloater, and his lies. Whether that carries over to Truss will have to be seen. Mid Term by elections often go against the ruling party, but the scale of the 'anti bunter' vote was such that were it to have been a GE the Tories would have been down to less than 60 seats.
I suspect Labour will not be clamouring for a GE soon either. One, not to be lumbered with yet another Tory financial meltdown, and two, to ensure the Torys carry the can. | | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:18 - Sep 28 with 1463 views | gtsb1966 |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:49 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Worst case scenario for Truss is that the men in grey suits pay her a visit and she resigns. Rather than hold a leadership election Sunak is anointed in the same way Michael Howard was in opposition and Gordon Brown was when Blair stepped down.
Sunak predicted all of this and had more support from Tory MP's than Truss. The members can go fcuk themselves, quite frankly. |
Could Sunak win the next election for the tories. Stranger things have happened. |  | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:50 - Sep 28 with 1350 views | Churchman |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:18 - Sep 28 by gtsb1966 |
Could Sunak win the next election for the tories. Stranger things have happened. |
No. The fact that he has more idea than the bonehead that replaced him or Beaker in No 10 doesn’t excuse him for his failure of the past three years or all the other years in the party from hell.
Voting for him is a bit like saying I will vote for the cretin that sawed my leg off because his successor tried to saw off both. |  | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:52 - Sep 28 with 1342 views | HARRY10 |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:18 - Sep 28 by gtsb1966 |
Could Sunak win the next election for the tories. Stranger things have happened. |
I doubt if Cliff Richard could win it for them. They know it, that's why most are keeping their heads down. Watch how many are absent at next week's Tory conference. Nobody wants to be associated with failure
What does need to change is allowing the membership to decide who will be the PM 'midstream', as you can be a Tory member and vote yet be unable to vote in an election ie age 15 and over, or a non voting foreign national.
Overexcited 'righties' on here constantly speak about the need for voter ID to stop fraud (6 reordered 2019). Whereas no such ID is required to be a Tory Party member, meaning that as the vote was postal it allowed for the possibility of massive fraud. | | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 21:57 - Sep 28 with 1249 views | Plums |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:23 - Sep 28 by J2BLUE |
Doesn't it need something like a 12 week notice period for campaigning? Save your £1. |
I think it can be as little as 25 days which made the Tory navel gazing this summer all the more nauseating |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 22:10 - Sep 28 with 1201 views | Coastalblue |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 20:50 - Sep 28 by Churchman |
No. The fact that he has more idea than the bonehead that replaced him or Beaker in No 10 doesn’t excuse him for his failure of the past three years or all the other years in the party from hell.
Voting for him is a bit like saying I will vote for the cretin that sawed my leg off because his successor tried to saw off both. |
So you're saying yes then, just like the last two elections?
My apathy with politics in this country has never been greater, the sooner we can get rid of the stupid tribal alleigances the better, perhaps we then might end up with somebody, from somewhere worth electing. |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 23:11 - Sep 28 with 1148 views | Churchman |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 22:10 - Sep 28 by Coastalblue |
So you're saying yes then, just like the last two elections?
My apathy with politics in this country has never been greater, the sooner we can get rid of the stupid tribal alleigances the better, perhaps we then might end up with somebody, from somewhere worth electing. |
Since my vote counts fit nothing, not even Count Binface, the Monster Raving people or anyone else stands here. Just the ‘duly elected’ tory, a tin of beans representing Lib Dems (Mr B Bean from tinsville got my vote last time), and a greasy kebab wrapper for Labour.
Your second paragraph - count me in. | | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:12 - Sep 29 with 1096 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:59 - Sep 28 by Swansea_Blue |
The rumours journalists are spreading suggests the end for Truss and team could be imminent*. So we could be looking at a new leader soon via a short cut, as Glassers has said. I’m also guessing they would break convention to save face and fall back on Sunak without another leadership contest (I certainly would - last thing we need now is another 3 month hiatus). Sunak’s been through the interview as it were and is effectively the reserve candidate.
An imminent change might explain why Truss has gone AWOL. (Wishful thinking?).
Whatever happens, this party has become a cancer for the UK. They’ve trashed us over the last, what 7 years now? And the 5 years before that was pretty grim too, but at least that was serious politics whether you agreed with them or not.
*But we all know how long that can take! |
David Cameron closed all the libraries then held a Referendum he didn't have to, and hadn't prepared for, and we thought: there can't be a worse Prime Minister than that.
Then Theresa May triggered the Brexit countdown without being prepared and said she was naughty in a cornfield, and we thought: there can't be a worse Prime Minister than that.
Then Boris Johnson illegally shut down Parliament, misled the Queen, broke the Law, lied about it all to Parliament and appointed a serial sex pest to be Whip responsible for welfare, and we thought: there can't be a worse Prime Minister than that.
Then Liz Truss appointed the worst Chancellor in history and together they completely broke not just manifesto pledges but the whole British economy in a week, and we thought: there can't be a worse Prime Minister than that.
It's going to be Michael Fabricant standing on the dispatch box with his trousers round his ankles, rhythmically tugging his Right Honourable Member, isn't it? [Post edited 29 Sep 2022 0:13]
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:19 - Sep 29 with 1084 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:35 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
I'd put a few quid on Rishi being in No 10 by the end of the year rather than a General Election.
I would imagine he will have to offer to Starmer that he will go to the country within a year of being in office. |
If the grey suits brokered with Truss for him to return to Number 11 "in the National Interest", do you think he would do it? | | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:22 - Sep 29 with 1081 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:59 - Sep 28 by Swansea_Blue |
The rumours journalists are spreading suggests the end for Truss and team could be imminent*. So we could be looking at a new leader soon via a short cut, as Glassers has said. I’m also guessing they would break convention to save face and fall back on Sunak without another leadership contest (I certainly would - last thing we need now is another 3 month hiatus). Sunak’s been through the interview as it were and is effectively the reserve candidate.
An imminent change might explain why Truss has gone AWOL. (Wishful thinking?).
Whatever happens, this party has become a cancer for the UK. They’ve trashed us over the last, what 7 years now? And the 5 years before that was pretty grim too, but at least that was serious politics whether you agreed with them or not.
*But we all know how long that can take! |
7 years! Are you giving Cameron and Gove a free pass for the "Austerity Years"?
It was the definition of "trashing the nation":
Libraries
Local Education Authorities
Police Numbers
NHS Waiting Lists
An expensive aircraft carrier with no planes on it
Any sense of fairness in the disability benefits system
The problem with Cameron and Gove was that they were capable and functional, and could enact incredibly damaging policies.
The problem with Truss and Kwarteng is that the markets just laughed at them when they said that they would enact incredibly damaging policies. [Post edited 29 Sep 2022 0:29]
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:27 - Sep 29 with 1074 views | lowhouseblue |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 19:35 - Sep 28 by GlasgowBlue |
I'd put a few quid on Rishi being in No 10 by the end of the year rather than a General Election.
I would imagine he will have to offer to Starmer that he will go to the country within a year of being in office. |
it's not impossible to imagine them failing to get their spending plans plus an obr statement through parliament. their essential problem being that the sums won't add up. yes you can demand that departments identify new 'efficiencies' but will you get enough tory mps to humiliate themselves by pretending that those projections are credible. it is very ironic that it should be a tory government providing the text book demonstration of why fiscal credibility really is inescapable. |  |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:45 - Sep 29 with 1026 views | XYZ |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:27 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
it's not impossible to imagine them failing to get their spending plans plus an obr statement through parliament. their essential problem being that the sums won't add up. yes you can demand that departments identify new 'efficiencies' but will you get enough tory mps to humiliate themselves by pretending that those projections are credible. it is very ironic that it should be a tory government providing the text book demonstration of why fiscal credibility really is inescapable. |
What is "... getting ... an obr statement through parliament ..."?
Last time I checked the OBR was the "Office for Budget Responsibility" which (independently) reports on government financial proposals - nothing they say is passed through parliament.
Of course, Kwasi Kerching bypassed them and the civil service for this doomsday budget.
Tory governments have always been economic failures. It's only the right wing press that create a different false narrative of fiscal competence.
They have always borrowed money to hand over to the already wealthy at the expense of the poor. A 5 minute google of UK current account deficits post WWII will tell you that.
Hardly "ironic" to anyone that looks at the economic facts rather than just swallows right-wing propaganda.
To be fair, the current clowns have taken it 10 steps beyond sensible and blown the game for their backers.
Jail sentences and wealth taxes are required.
And I say that as one that will bear part of the cost (on the wealth tax side!).
Edit to add "for backers" [Post edited 29 Sep 2022 0:47]
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 01:20 - Sep 29 with 963 views | lowhouseblue |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:45 - Sep 29 by XYZ |
What is "... getting ... an obr statement through parliament ..."?
Last time I checked the OBR was the "Office for Budget Responsibility" which (independently) reports on government financial proposals - nothing they say is passed through parliament.
Of course, Kwasi Kerching bypassed them and the civil service for this doomsday budget.
Tory governments have always been economic failures. It's only the right wing press that create a different false narrative of fiscal competence.
They have always borrowed money to hand over to the already wealthy at the expense of the poor. A 5 minute google of UK current account deficits post WWII will tell you that.
Hardly "ironic" to anyone that looks at the economic facts rather than just swallows right-wing propaganda.
To be fair, the current clowns have taken it 10 steps beyond sensible and blown the game for their backers.
Jail sentences and wealth taxes are required.
And I say that as one that will bear part of the cost (on the wealth tax side!).
Edit to add "for backers" [Post edited 29 Sep 2022 0:47]
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well that's a strange reply. they will need to present an obr projection alongside their financial statement (in november?). that will have to be based upon major spending 'efficiencies' in order to have figures that satisfy markets, but will those cuts be credible to the markets and will tory mps be prepared to support them or even to pretend they are achievable? remember most tory mps didn't support truss.
you are confusing current account deficits with government borrowing. alas, that's what a 5 minute google gives you, so those 'economic facts' may need a little more work.
it is ironic that the party of austerity is entirely abandoning fiscal credibility, even more so since they won the last election by exposing their opponent's complete lack of fiscal credibility.
but with "jail sentences ... are required" i'll put it all down to late night posting.
and thanks for letting us know that you'll suffer from a wealth tax. | |
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 01:35 - Sep 29 with 920 views | XYZ |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 01:20 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
well that's a strange reply. they will need to present an obr projection alongside their financial statement (in november?). that will have to be based upon major spending 'efficiencies' in order to have figures that satisfy markets, but will those cuts be credible to the markets and will tory mps be prepared to support them or even to pretend they are achievable? remember most tory mps didn't support truss.
you are confusing current account deficits with government borrowing. alas, that's what a 5 minute google gives you, so those 'economic facts' may need a little more work.
it is ironic that the party of austerity is entirely abandoning fiscal credibility, even more so since they won the last election by exposing their opponent's complete lack of fiscal credibility.
but with "jail sentences ... are required" i'll put it all down to late night posting.
and thanks for letting us know that you'll suffer from a wealth tax. |
Really?
You swerved the point. What "obr" is passed by Parliament? Your comment shows a fundamental ignorance of the UK system.
The OBR issues a report. We all get to read it. It's got f all to do with Parliament.
I'm not confusing anything, thanks. If you want to refute that post WWII Tory governments have been more fiscally irresponsible than Labour governments, then present the figures. You won't do that, of course.
"it is ironic that the party of austerity is entirely abandoning fiscal credibility, even more so since they won the last election by exposing their opponent's complete lack of fiscal credibility."
Where to go with this para? Labour's 2019 manifesto was completely costed. The Tory one was completely not costed. Brazenly so. Up Yours Britain.
You don't think jail sentences are required for over £10 billion of mates' contacts fraud. OK, we see which side of the fence you're on. Late night or early morning I'd like those that nick billions of UK taxpayers money to do porridge whilst poor kids go hungry and the middle classes get their houses repossessed.
Apologies if the cards on the table approach is foreign to you as to the wealth tax. I know that openness and honesty isn't familiar to many.
Edit: typo [Post edited 29 Sep 2022 1:37]
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| 16/1 for a general election this year on 07:35 - Sep 29 with 810 views | Churchman |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 00:27 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
it's not impossible to imagine them failing to get their spending plans plus an obr statement through parliament. their essential problem being that the sums won't add up. yes you can demand that departments identify new 'efficiencies' but will you get enough tory mps to humiliate themselves by pretending that those projections are credible. it is very ironic that it should be a tory government providing the text book demonstration of why fiscal credibility really is inescapable. |
They’ve already told govt departments that a 91k headcount reduction has to be done. These are not efficiencies, just a headcount cut. They don’t care who or from where. So if it’s Border Control staff recruited because of Brexit (that’s where the increase in CS numbers came from after 2016) and you are left at the border for days, who cares. No police? Not interested. NHS? That’s for the plebs. If it’s specialist tax inspectors who bring in £millions to the treasury, who cares.
Headcount. Get those numbers down. As a treasury dude told me during Cameron’s time, it’s not about money. We can always print that. Now obviously to pay for the Chancellors mad budget, further savings are going to have to be made. Since they perceive the public sector as the ‘dead hand’ to quote Francis Maude, no problem. As it goes, massive cuts, including a haircut to peoples savings and pensions, will have to happen if we go to the IMF anyway.
With ruined and disappeared public services and finances, it’ll be interesting how the tories sell this at the next election, assuming there is one and they don’t change the rules on that. | | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 07:54 - Sep 29 with 773 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 01:35 - Sep 29 by XYZ |
Really?
You swerved the point. What "obr" is passed by Parliament? Your comment shows a fundamental ignorance of the UK system.
The OBR issues a report. We all get to read it. It's got f all to do with Parliament.
I'm not confusing anything, thanks. If you want to refute that post WWII Tory governments have been more fiscally irresponsible than Labour governments, then present the figures. You won't do that, of course.
"it is ironic that the party of austerity is entirely abandoning fiscal credibility, even more so since they won the last election by exposing their opponent's complete lack of fiscal credibility."
Where to go with this para? Labour's 2019 manifesto was completely costed. The Tory one was completely not costed. Brazenly so. Up Yours Britain.
You don't think jail sentences are required for over £10 billion of mates' contacts fraud. OK, we see which side of the fence you're on. Late night or early morning I'd like those that nick billions of UK taxpayers money to do porridge whilst poor kids go hungry and the middle classes get their houses repossessed.
Apologies if the cards on the table approach is foreign to you as to the wealth tax. I know that openness and honesty isn't familiar to many.
Edit: typo [Post edited 29 Sep 2022 1:37]
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“Where to go with this para? Labour's 2019 manifesto was completely costed”
Not entirely accurate as the nationalisation plans were only ‘costed’ at what Labour seemed a ‘fair rate’. In reality, it could have been much more once dragged through the courts. Additionally £58bn in additional pension commitments for women was added post manifesto.
All irrelevant now I guess and what we’ve actually been left with is a fully fledged economic crisis where the BoE are having to try and work against government policy. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Govt stepped up ideological attacks on the Bank’s independence in order to try and take control. | | | |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 08:07 - Sep 29 with 750 views | Churchman |
| 16/1 for a general election this year on 07:54 - Sep 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Where to go with this para? Labour's 2019 manifesto was completely costed”
Not entirely accurate as the nationalisation plans were only ‘costed’ at what Labour seemed a ‘fair rate’. In reality, it could have been much more once dragged through the courts. Additionally £58bn in additional pension commitments for women was added post manifesto.
All irrelevant now I guess and what we’ve actually been left with is a fully fledged economic crisis where the BoE are having to try and work against government policy. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Govt stepped up ideological attacks on the Bank’s independence in order to try and take control. |
I suspect they will very quickly aimed to curtail the BofE and place as much blame for the latest disaster on them. The may even remove some of its powers to a rival organisation as Brown did with the FSA. That didn’t end well, but in their mania, the tories won’t care about repeating mistakes. They already did that last Friday and the boneheads are still trying to defend it. | | | |
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