| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days 09:17 - Oct 26 with 1740 views | homer_123 |
Really?? |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:21 - Oct 26 with 1725 views | Keno |
just to finish the OP off
Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days after being forced to resign after breaching the managerial code of conduct |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:23 - Oct 26 with 1704 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yep, really. Resigned in disgrace after breaking the ministerial code sand being considered a security risk. But hey, she's had her punishment of a week off.
There's about 5 of them in there who have been disciplined/had to resign for breaches of the ministerial code. Sunak's blown his claims of integrity already. It's obvious we're just in for more of the same as we had under BJ and LT (in terms of culture). |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:23 - Oct 26 with 1703 views | WD19 |
Dreadful woman and dreadful decision.
I can only assume he owed her a massive favour after she backed him and took her supporters with her. For all we know that decision was the difference between Boris (or Penny) being able to muster the 100 nominations that would have almost certainly seen them in the ballot and winning with the members. |  | | |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:24 - Oct 26 with 1695 views | Whos_blue |
Cleverly rolled out this morning to try and defend it. Hardly inspiring defence. He knows it sucks.
An absolute shocker of an appointment and completely undermines Sunak's "integrity" ticket. (Not that I bought that for a second)
Meet the new boss.......
Shameless. |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:26 - Oct 26 with 1683 views | WD19 |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:23 - Oct 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, really. Resigned in disgrace after breaking the ministerial code sand being considered a security risk. But hey, she's had her punishment of a week off.
There's about 5 of them in there who have been disciplined/had to resign for breaches of the ministerial code. Sunak's blown his claims of integrity already. It's obvious we're just in for more of the same as we had under BJ and LT (in terms of culture). |
Whilst I agree with your general sentiment, the facts are that Johnson and Truss were polar opposites in terms of culture. The one thing Truss did do right was take a zero tolerance approach to this kind of stuff. | | | |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:27 - Oct 26 with 1675 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:23 - Oct 26 by WD19 |
Dreadful woman and dreadful decision.
I can only assume he owed her a massive favour after she backed him and took her supporters with her. For all we know that decision was the difference between Boris (or Penny) being able to muster the 100 nominations that would have almost certainly seen them in the ballot and winning with the members. |
Yes, I think that's the case for a lot of these appointments. Braverman was reportedly key for getting the right wingers on side and he courted her relentlessly.
Party before country. I suppose there's always been an element of that in all parties, but it's really hurt us in the UK over the last decade and especially since 2015. | |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:38 - Oct 26 with 1613 views | XYZ |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:26 - Oct 26 by WD19 |
Whilst I agree with your general sentiment, the facts are that Johnson and Truss were polar opposites in terms of culture. The one thing Truss did do right was take a zero tolerance approach to this kind of stuff. |
Really? Seems a bit generous.
Simon Case, the Cabinet Secretary, told her flat out that she had to go as far as I understand it.
She wasn't there long enough to have a developed "culture". |  | | |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:46 - Oct 26 with 1579 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:26 - Oct 26 by WD19 |
Whilst I agree with your general sentiment, the facts are that Johnson and Truss were polar opposites in terms of culture. The one thing Truss did do right was take a zero tolerance approach to this kind of stuff. |
The speed at which she responded to sexual abuse allegations at conference would support that point to a degree, yes. What I was thinking about was more the promotion of people both unsuitable to the role who would rather focus on petty culture wars and the like and the culture of selfishness (so the likes of Braverman, Coffee, Zahawi, etc). Truss was quite happy with her ministers gaslighting the public (Braverman's "wokism" barbs) and created fictional enemies "anti-growth coalition", etc. I think there were similarities in both governments in that respect. | |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:51 - Oct 26 with 1559 views | DJR |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:26 - Oct 26 by WD19 |
Whilst I agree with your general sentiment, the facts are that Johnson and Truss were polar opposites in terms of culture. The one thing Truss did do right was take a zero tolerance approach to this kind of stuff. |
I don't think dissing then ignoring Sturgeon indicates any better culture on the part of Truss. And let's not forget she wasn't prepared to say whether Macron was an enemy or a foe. |  | | |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 10:38 - Oct 26 with 1517 views | Guthrum |
To be fair, most of them (looking particularly at you, Johnson) would have denied or said it was no big deal, then refused to resign. |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 11:49 - Oct 26 with 1455 views | DJR |
The reason given for Braverman's resignation was said to be rather weak according to commentators at the time. It struck me that the real reason was the differences she had with Truss over the level of immigration. Her reappointment suggests she may have won the battle for tighter immigration (pandering to the racists), which doesn't reflect well on Sunak.
Interesting to note that Sue Ellen was named after the character from Dallas. Suella sounds much more classy.
Also telling that whilst Martin Luther King's dream was a land where the colour of one's skin doesn't matter, Braverman's dream is flights landing in Rwanda with people of the wrong colour. | | | |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 12:46 - Oct 26 with 1410 views | ringwoodblue |
I think it’s a case of ‘keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer’ |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 12:56 - Oct 26 with 1380 views | Oldsmoker |
Are you aware that when a minister loses their job in a reshuffle or they resign they get redundancy payments.
Dominic Raab, sacked by Liz Truss but reappointed as justice secretary and deputy PM, would be eligible to receive £16,876 despite only being out of a job for seven weeks.
Then there's Cruella Braverman who's been out of her job for just 6 days.
Any thoughts? |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 12:58 - Oct 26 with 1370 views | J2BLUE |
Some of you fell for the integrity thing? Really? |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 13:17 - Oct 26 with 1329 views | DJR |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 12:56 - Oct 26 by Oldsmoker |
Are you aware that when a minister loses their job in a reshuffle or they resign they get redundancy payments.
Dominic Raab, sacked by Liz Truss but reappointed as justice secretary and deputy PM, would be eligible to receive £16,876 despite only being out of a job for seven weeks.
Then there's Cruella Braverman who's been out of her job for just 6 days.
Any thoughts? |
And don't forget all the comings and goings following the resignations just before Boris, and the many replacements that Truss put in place. It struck me yesterday that a written question comparing Ministerial and PM redundancy payments this year to previous years would be something the opposition could make capital out of. | | | |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 13:34 - Oct 26 with 1308 views | StokieBlue |
Found out today that the awful woman and enthusiastic brexiteer was a Erasmus student.
Happy to take the benefits and the happy to remove them from everyone else.
Scum.
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 13:41 - Oct 26 with 1268 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 09:26 - Oct 26 by WD19 |
Whilst I agree with your general sentiment, the facts are that Johnson and Truss were polar opposites in terms of culture. The one thing Truss did do right was take a zero tolerance approach to this kind of stuff. |
Was that before or after spending a couple of grand of taxpayer money at nodge city and another few grand on a hairdresser? |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 13:42 - Oct 26 with 1262 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 12:56 - Oct 26 by Oldsmoker |
Are you aware that when a minister loses their job in a reshuffle or they resign they get redundancy payments.
Dominic Raab, sacked by Liz Truss but reappointed as justice secretary and deputy PM, would be eligible to receive £16,876 despite only being out of a job for seven weeks.
Then there's Cruella Braverman who's been out of her job for just 6 days.
Any thoughts? |
Even if they resign? Wow! And they reshuffle the cabinet all the time too! | |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 14:10 - Oct 26 with 1206 views | DJR |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 13:42 - Oct 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Even if they resign? Wow! And they reshuffle the cabinet all the time too! |
Yes, the position is governed by section 4 of the Ministerial and other Pensions and Salaries Act 1991 which only talks about "ceasing" to hold Ministerial office. But a person only qualifies if they are not reappointed within 3 weeks, so Braverman won't qualify.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/5/section/4 | | | |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 23:43 - Oct 26 with 1055 views | Dubtractor |
Senior tories already doing some stirring against her!
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 07:32 - Oct 27 with 1005 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 14:10 - Oct 26 by DJR |
Yes, the position is governed by section 4 of the Ministerial and other Pensions and Salaries Act 1991 which only talks about "ceasing" to hold Ministerial office. But a person only qualifies if they are not reappointed within 3 weeks, so Braverman won't qualify.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/5/section/4 |
Three weeks really isn’t long enough imo. The qualifying period should be at least 12 months. |  |
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| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 08:58 - Oct 27 with 941 views | DJR |
| Braverman back in the same role fter just 6 days on 07:32 - Oct 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Three weeks really isn’t long enough imo. The qualifying period should be at least 12 months. |
Agreed. The three week period seems very odd, and it is not obvious what the reason for it is. The only thing I can think of is that it is designed to cover a change in Prime Minister but when drafted it could never have been imagined we would have had three Prime Ministers in such a short period. After all, in ordinary circumstances a Minister who resigns or is sacked will be unlikely to be back in the fold for many months, if not years.
EDIT: the payments are meant to make up for a dramatic drop in salary when financial commitments may have been made, so there may have been thought to be administrative problems in extending the period because the payment is presumably needed fairly quickly and if the payment is made, it might be difficult to get it back. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 9:06]
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