| No subject on 08:30 - Nov 7 with 2727 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Somewhere out there a posh girl has a new boy/girlfriend! |  |
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| No subject on 08:35 - Nov 7 with 2693 views | giant_stow |
I've been mildly on the other side of this debate, but this development is vaguely terrifying. Pre arrest now? They'd better have rock solid evidence of conspiring to crime. |  |
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| No subject on 08:37 - Nov 7 with 2676 views | geg1992 |
| No subject on 08:35 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
I've been mildly on the other side of this debate, but this development is vaguely terrifying. Pre arrest now? They'd better have rock solid evidence of conspiring to crime. |
Probably related to Social Media / web forums? I'm glad to see them being proactive. |  |
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| No subject on 08:47 - Nov 7 with 2646 views | NthQldITFC |
| No subject on 08:37 - Nov 7 by geg1992 |
Probably related to Social Media / web forums? I'm glad to see them being proactive. |
Proactive, yes. It might be helpful to go around painting symbols on these people's front doors too, in case they inconvenience us at some point in the future. |  |
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| No subject on 08:52 - Nov 7 with 2611 views | IpswichKnight |
| No subject on 08:35 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
I've been mildly on the other side of this debate, but this development is vaguely terrifying. Pre arrest now? They'd better have rock solid evidence of conspiring to crime. |
They’ve not been shy about what they are doing on the telegram forums I’ve read. Sounds like they were recorded by journalists conspiring to commit offences and they tipped off the police ( glad they did got to drive on the M25 on Wednesday near Heathrow too don’t fancy the back roads to get there either ) |  | | |
| No subject on 08:53 - Nov 7 with 2608 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Is this more 1984 "Thoughtcrime" or Minority Report "Precrime"?
The questions living under neo-Facism throws up! | | | |
| No subject on 09:00 - Nov 7 with 2556 views | lowhouseblue |
| No subject on 08:35 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
I've been mildly on the other side of this debate, but this development is vaguely terrifying. Pre arrest now? They'd better have rock solid evidence of conspiring to crime. |
it's not unusual for conspiracy charges and arrests to pre-empt a crime. preparation for a crime can itself be a crime in various ways. i'm not sure there's anything very unusual here. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| No subject on 09:05 - Nov 7 with 2536 views | Guthrum |
| No subject on 08:53 - Nov 7 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Is this more 1984 "Thoughtcrime" or Minority Report "Precrime"?
The questions living under neo-Facism throws up! |
To be accurate, conspiring and preparing to commit criminal acts is, itself, a crime. Obstruction of the highway is a crime (Highways Act 1980), albeit a very minor one. |  |
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| No subject on 09:09 - Nov 7 with 2506 views | BlueBadger |
Yes, but I might be slightly late to work. |  |
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| No subject on 09:14 - Nov 7 with 2485 views | waveneyblue |
| No subject on 09:00 - Nov 7 by lowhouseblue |
it's not unusual for conspiracy charges and arrests to pre-empt a crime. preparation for a crime can itself be a crime in various ways. i'm not sure there's anything very unusual here. |
Maybe some on here feel that they should be allowed to get on with blocking Motorways and holding up the emergency services who might be trying to save lives.
Surely this is similar to the counter terrorism stuff i.e., stop them before they actually get round to doing it.
Strange world |  | | |
| No subject on 09:24 - Nov 7 with 2424 views | BlueBadger |
| No subject on 09:14 - Nov 7 by waveneyblue |
Maybe some on here feel that they should be allowed to get on with blocking Motorways and holding up the emergency services who might be trying to save lives.
Surely this is similar to the counter terrorism stuff i.e., stop them before they actually get round to doing it.
Strange world |
wHy CaNt PeOpLe Do DeMoS tHaT cAuSe No DiSrUpTiOn | |
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| No subject on 09:27 - Nov 7 with 2414 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| No subject on 09:05 - Nov 7 by Guthrum |
To be accurate, conspiring and preparing to commit criminal acts is, itself, a crime. Obstruction of the highway is a crime (Highways Act 1980), albeit a very minor one. |
Yes, it was a flippant pop-culture reference post, not a serious examination of the legalities.
They probably need to beef up sentencing around Obstruction of the Highway with an aggravated offence for eg gluing body parts, use of prefabricated devices to link people together, if they want to deal with this long term.
I often wonder why the Just Stop Oil or XR types don't target Eton and other top Public Schools on "dropping off/picking up the progeny" days. It would do less damage to public goodwill for their cause, and inconvenience those with power astronomical personal carbon emissions, and who have the power and influence to change policy.
Is such random musing a thoughtcrime or precrime? Dunno! | | | |
| No subject on 09:35 - Nov 7 with 2374 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No subject on 09:14 - Nov 7 by waveneyblue |
Maybe some on here feel that they should be allowed to get on with blocking Motorways and holding up the emergency services who might be trying to save lives.
Surely this is similar to the counter terrorism stuff i.e., stop them before they actually get round to doing it.
Strange world |
Here you go, you can stop worrying now...
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| No subject on 09:36 - Nov 7 with 2354 views | DanTheMan |
| No subject on 09:27 - Nov 7 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Yes, it was a flippant pop-culture reference post, not a serious examination of the legalities.
They probably need to beef up sentencing around Obstruction of the Highway with an aggravated offence for eg gluing body parts, use of prefabricated devices to link people together, if they want to deal with this long term.
I often wonder why the Just Stop Oil or XR types don't target Eton and other top Public Schools on "dropping off/picking up the progeny" days. It would do less damage to public goodwill for their cause, and inconvenience those with power astronomical personal carbon emissions, and who have the power and influence to change policy.
Is such random musing a thoughtcrime or precrime? Dunno! |
"Just Stop Oil FRIGHTEN YOUNG CHILDREN"
The headlines write themselves. |  |
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| No subject on 09:37 - Nov 7 with 2353 views | giant_stow |
| No subject on 09:00 - Nov 7 by lowhouseblue |
it's not unusual for conspiracy charges and arrests to pre-empt a crime. preparation for a crime can itself be a crime in various ways. i'm not sure there's anything very unusual here. |
I guess not, but the bar does seem to be high to prove that - I guess this will come out in the legal wash. Like I say, the police better be sure - there's a very thin line here, I would say. [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 9:41]
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| No subject on 09:39 - Nov 7 with 2333 views | Guthrum |
| No subject on 08:35 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
I've been mildly on the other side of this debate, but this development is vaguely terrifying. Pre arrest now? They'd better have rock solid evidence of conspiring to crime. |
The issue i have with JSO is rather more fundamental than blocking a few roads. It's the question: What are they proposing to replace it with?
Virtually the entirety of the world's transport networks and a very large proportion of electricity production involves the burning of hydrocarbons. Oil provides the raw materials for all plastics and many other chemicals. We can't simply stop extracting the stuff (or exploiting fresh sources of supply) in the short or even medium term.
Yes, much should have already been done in weaning ourselves off that dependence. The warnings have been sounding for 60 years. But that is in the past and nothing can now be done about the lost time.
I do believe in stopping oil - however, the "Just" part is not practical without collapsing society. | |
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| No subject on 09:40 - Nov 7 with 2321 views | giant_stow |
| No subject on 09:24 - Nov 7 by BlueBadger |
wHy CaNt PeOpLe Do DeMoS tHaT cAuSe No DiSrUpTiOn |
I hate to argue from the 'wrong' side, but its really not that simple.
No one *wants* to be on the M25 mon 8am! Lots of people are in the gig economy, where time is a (usually tough) living: my problem with these protests is that they punch down, not up. | |
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| No subject on 09:47 - Nov 7 with 2271 views | Guthrum |
| No subject on 09:27 - Nov 7 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Yes, it was a flippant pop-culture reference post, not a serious examination of the legalities.
They probably need to beef up sentencing around Obstruction of the Highway with an aggravated offence for eg gluing body parts, use of prefabricated devices to link people together, if they want to deal with this long term.
I often wonder why the Just Stop Oil or XR types don't target Eton and other top Public Schools on "dropping off/picking up the progeny" days. It would do less damage to public goodwill for their cause, and inconvenience those with power astronomical personal carbon emissions, and who have the power and influence to change policy.
Is such random musing a thoughtcrime or precrime? Dunno! |
They have already targeted oil company HQs. However, the media impact of that is far more limited than holding up the M25.
Given their numbers are fairly limited (i.e. can't mobilise tens of thousands strong marches on a regular basis), the movement needs all the media impact it can get by other means. | |
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| No subject on 09:50 - Nov 7 with 2251 views | giant_stow |
| No subject on 09:39 - Nov 7 by Guthrum |
The issue i have with JSO is rather more fundamental than blocking a few roads. It's the question: What are they proposing to replace it with?
Virtually the entirety of the world's transport networks and a very large proportion of electricity production involves the burning of hydrocarbons. Oil provides the raw materials for all plastics and many other chemicals. We can't simply stop extracting the stuff (or exploiting fresh sources of supply) in the short or even medium term.
Yes, much should have already been done in weaning ourselves off that dependence. The warnings have been sounding for 60 years. But that is in the past and nothing can now be done about the lost time.
I do believe in stopping oil - however, the "Just" part is not practical without collapsing society. |
I totally get what you're saying. I'd better not speak for them, but I imagine the protestors would say that things are that desperate that we just have to stop using these things now, regardless. | |
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| No subject on 09:53 - Nov 7 with 2238 views | waveneyblue |
| No subject on 09:24 - Nov 7 by BlueBadger |
wHy CaNt PeOpLe Do DeMoS tHaT cAuSe No DiSrUpTiOn |
Christ and you work in the care industry
You really are special | | | |
| No subject on 09:54 - Nov 7 with 2226 views | waveneyblue |
| No subject on 09:35 - Nov 7 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Here you go, you can stop worrying now...
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Great, well done them ! | | | |
| No subject on 09:55 - Nov 7 with 2205 views | waveneyblue |
| No subject on 09:40 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
I hate to argue from the 'wrong' side, but its really not that simple.
No one *wants* to be on the M25 mon 8am! Lots of people are in the gig economy, where time is a (usually tough) living: my problem with these protests is that they punch down, not up. |
I think he just enjoys having a pop when somebody disagrees with him.
Standard procedure sadly | | | |
| No subject on 09:55 - Nov 7 with 2200 views | Keno |
| No subject on 09:50 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
I totally get what you're saying. I'd better not speak for them, but I imagine the protestors would say that things are that desperate that we just have to stop using these things now, regardless. |
and then drive home in their petrol cars? |  |
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| No subject on 10:03 - Nov 7 with 2175 views | NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around the fact that intelligent people seem to be too frightened to admit to themselves what a catastrophic future is right upon us, and ANYTHING that starts to wake people up to that reality is a good thing.
Nothing else matters. | |
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| No subject on 10:05 - Nov 7 with 2160 views | giant_stow |
| No subject on 10:03 - Nov 7 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around the fact that intelligent people seem to be too frightened to admit to themselves what a catastrophic future is right upon us, and ANYTHING that starts to wake people up to that reality is a good thing.
Nothing else matters. |
Gawd, when you put it like that...
I'll back out of this debate - public wavering is no good! | |
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