| No subject on 10:06 - Nov 7 with 1572 views | Guthrum |
| No subject on 09:50 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
I totally get what you're saying. I'd better not speak for them, but I imagine the protestors would say that things are that desperate that we just have to stop using these things now, regardless. |
But that is purely a matter of crashing society and causing mass starvation* voluntarily now, rather than naturally in a decade or few's time. A pre-emptive euthanasia of human civilisation, if you like.
Or we could spend that period putting into place a expedited - but organised - programme of developing and putting into production alternative energy sources, supporting nations whose development is dependent upon fossil fuels (which will cost lots of money), mitigating the effects of climate change as far as we are able, finding ways to repair the damage already done.
Fighting until the end, rather than giving up and returning, via a period of unimaginable misery and bloodshed, to something more like the early Middle Ages.
* Local subsistence farming is most certainly not going to be able to support the more populous areas of the world. Without bulk transport, there's no way to shift sufficient resources from place to place. |  |
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| No subject on 10:08 - Nov 7 with 1557 views | Scuzzer |
Which team are they supporting?.
Please move to General. |  |
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| No subject on 10:08 - Nov 7 with 1555 views | BlueBadger |
| No subject on 09:53 - Nov 7 by waveneyblue |
Christ and you work in the care industry
You really are special |
Government policy on climate change(and many other things) is killing, has killed and will kill far more people than a couple of hours go slow on the M25. [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 10:45]
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| No subject on 10:15 - Nov 7 with 1541 views | waveneyblue |
| No subject on 10:08 - Nov 7 by BlueBadger |
Government policy on climate change(and many other things) is killing, has killed and will kill far more people than a couple of hours go slow on the M25. [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 10:45]
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So, you think that winding up the vast majority of the population causing widespread disruption is the way to go then?
and do you have actual facts on your statement? [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 10:22]
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| No subject on 10:28 - Nov 7 with 1512 views | bluelagos |
| No subject on 09:05 - Nov 7 by Guthrum |
To be accurate, conspiring and preparing to commit criminal acts is, itself, a crime. Obstruction of the highway is a crime (Highways Act 1980), albeit a very minor one. |
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| No subject on 10:36 - Nov 7 with 1491 views | Pinewoodblue |
So a few people have climbed on to Gantries over M25.
Ignore them, unless they start throwing objects at vehicles below.
Before anyone mentions it I am in favour of stopping traffic if an individual, a potential suicide, is threatening to jump. |  |
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| No subject on 10:38 - Nov 7 with 1490 views | GeoffSentence |
If the police put as much time and effort into preventing crime as they do preventing peaceful protest we would have a crime free utopian society. |  |
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| No subject on 10:40 - Nov 7 with 1488 views | DanTheMan |
When it really starts biting here, plenty of people will be saying they weren't warned, and asking why people didn't do something about it. |  |
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| No subject on 10:43 - Nov 7 with 1477 views | GeoffSentence |
| No subject on 09:27 - Nov 7 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Yes, it was a flippant pop-culture reference post, not a serious examination of the legalities.
They probably need to beef up sentencing around Obstruction of the Highway with an aggravated offence for eg gluing body parts, use of prefabricated devices to link people together, if they want to deal with this long term.
I often wonder why the Just Stop Oil or XR types don't target Eton and other top Public Schools on "dropping off/picking up the progeny" days. It would do less damage to public goodwill for their cause, and inconvenience those with power astronomical personal carbon emissions, and who have the power and influence to change policy.
Is such random musing a thoughtcrime or precrime? Dunno! |
Eton is a boarding school. Limited opportunities for hampering school drop offs. | |
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| No subject on 10:43 - Nov 7 with 1477 views | LeoMuff |
| No subject on 10:15 - Nov 7 by waveneyblue |
So, you think that winding up the vast majority of the population causing widespread disruption is the way to go then?
and do you have actual facts on your statement? [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 10:22]
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Well, we know that time is running out very quickly to prevent irreversible and permanent destruction of our planet from climate change, this is an incontrovertible scientific fact.
Our government is still issuing new licences for new drilling of fossil fuels, we have made no attempt to properly roll out electric vehicles and have actively cut subsidies, amongst many other retrospective activities.
The government and political parties and no political will to address the problem, so what other activities do you suggest will cause change, the population are currently sleepwalking towards disaster, fuelled by the likes of the Daily mail who paint these guys as the villains, not the ones destroying the planet and those facilitating it for profit. |  |
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| No subject on 10:58 - Nov 7 with 1439 views | Oldsmoker |
Crime Prevention but only when it suits the agenda.
I recollect a case where a distressed woman complained to the police that her ex-boyfriend had made threats against her. They fined her for wasting Police time.
The Police attitude was to say they would arrest him if he carried out those threats. They arrested him for her murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shana_Grice |  |
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| No subject on 10:58 - Nov 7 with 1436 views | BlueBadger |
| No subject on 09:27 - Nov 7 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Yes, it was a flippant pop-culture reference post, not a serious examination of the legalities.
They probably need to beef up sentencing around Obstruction of the Highway with an aggravated offence for eg gluing body parts, use of prefabricated devices to link people together, if they want to deal with this long term.
I often wonder why the Just Stop Oil or XR types don't target Eton and other top Public Schools on "dropping off/picking up the progeny" days. It would do less damage to public goodwill for their cause, and inconvenience those with power astronomical personal carbon emissions, and who have the power and influence to change policy.
Is such random musing a thoughtcrime or precrime? Dunno! |
They turned up at the Tory party conference. They were thrown out. | |
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| No subject on 10:59 - Nov 7 with 1430 views | Pinewoodblue |
| No subject on 10:43 - Nov 7 by LeoMuff |
Well, we know that time is running out very quickly to prevent irreversible and permanent destruction of our planet from climate change, this is an incontrovertible scientific fact.
Our government is still issuing new licences for new drilling of fossil fuels, we have made no attempt to properly roll out electric vehicles and have actively cut subsidies, amongst many other retrospective activities.
The government and political parties and no political will to address the problem, so what other activities do you suggest will cause change, the population are currently sleepwalking towards disaster, fuelled by the likes of the Daily mail who paint these guys as the villains, not the ones destroying the planet and those facilitating it for profit. |
The truth is until an alternative is available we still need oil. From the images I have seen the protesters banners are made from plastic, which is of course by a by product of oil.
Personally I would be happy if the Police just waited patiently and arrested them when they come down. | |
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| No subject on 11:00 - Nov 7 with 1430 views | Guthrum |
| No subject on 10:43 - Nov 7 by LeoMuff |
Well, we know that time is running out very quickly to prevent irreversible and permanent destruction of our planet from climate change, this is an incontrovertible scientific fact.
Our government is still issuing new licences for new drilling of fossil fuels, we have made no attempt to properly roll out electric vehicles and have actively cut subsidies, amongst many other retrospective activities.
The government and political parties and no political will to address the problem, so what other activities do you suggest will cause change, the population are currently sleepwalking towards disaster, fuelled by the likes of the Daily mail who paint these guys as the villains, not the ones destroying the planet and those facilitating it for profit. |
The biggest problem is there is no profit margin in tackling Climate Change.
Sure, everyone will lose vastly when it kicks in, but business executives don't think like that. It's all about short-term improvements to the bottom line and avoiding extra expense, rather than prevention of some future disaster, however likely. After all, it might not happen on their watch and they only have a few years to make their name and boost the share price.
The same goes for cybersecurity. | |
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| No subject on 11:08 - Nov 7 with 1399 views | Oldsmoker |
| No subject on 11:00 - Nov 7 by Guthrum |
The biggest problem is there is no profit margin in tackling Climate Change.
Sure, everyone will lose vastly when it kicks in, but business executives don't think like that. It's all about short-term improvements to the bottom line and avoiding extra expense, rather than prevention of some future disaster, however likely. After all, it might not happen on their watch and they only have a few years to make their name and boost the share price.
The same goes for cybersecurity. |
The biggest problem is there is no profit margin in tackling Climate Change.
If you can't incentivise someone because there's no money in it then penalise them - make them lose money.
Oh wait, the planet going down the toilet is penalty enough but that's after they're dead so................. | |
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| No subject on 11:12 - Nov 7 with 1384 views | LeoMuff |
| No subject on 11:08 - Nov 7 by Oldsmoker |
The biggest problem is there is no profit margin in tackling Climate Change.
If you can't incentivise someone because there's no money in it then penalise them - make them lose money.
Oh wait, the planet going down the toilet is penalty enough but that's after they're dead so................. |
The so called windfall tax shows that their is no political will to make industry lose money, even when they are doubling their already huge profits.
The people in charge are in the pockets of the very industries causing the problems. | |
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| No subject on 11:14 - Nov 7 with 1374 views | Guthrum |
| No subject on 11:08 - Nov 7 by Oldsmoker |
The biggest problem is there is no profit margin in tackling Climate Change.
If you can't incentivise someone because there's no money in it then penalise them - make them lose money.
Oh wait, the planet going down the toilet is penalty enough but that's after they're dead so................. |
Quite. But with big business the main lobbiers and donators to governments in the developed world (or direct arms of ruling parties/families/the militaries in other places), then who is going to impose those penalties?
Consumers can't as there are few or no alternatives for them to go to. | |
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| No subject on 11:14 - Nov 7 with 1374 views | NthQldITFC |
| No subject on 10:15 - Nov 7 by waveneyblue |
So, you think that winding up the vast majority of the population causing widespread disruption is the way to go then?
and do you have actual facts on your statement? [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 10:22]
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'Actual facts'? Do you ever watch the news?
Not sure how close you are to the Waveney, sport, but when you feet start getting wet in your living room, you'll be in direct contact with some 'actual facts'.
The 'actual facts' seem to be suggesting that this is more likely to be a lot sooner than was previously believed, it's just a question of us trying to convince idiots to do some 'actual acts' to try to keep the water it at the level of your feet, not your fkn neck. |  |
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| No subject on 11:18 - Nov 7 with 1356 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No subject on 09:14 - Nov 7 by waveneyblue |
Maybe some on here feel that they should be allowed to get on with blocking Motorways and holding up the emergency services who might be trying to save lives.
Surely this is similar to the counter terrorism stuff i.e., stop them before they actually get round to doing it.
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Have you got any idea of the number of lives these protestors are trying to save? Or livelihoods? Or the cost of protecting lives and infrastructure? Or the number of species? |  |
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| No subject on 11:19 - Nov 7 with 1353 views | Oldsmoker |
| No subject on 11:14 - Nov 7 by Guthrum |
Quite. But with big business the main lobbiers and donators to governments in the developed world (or direct arms of ruling parties/families/the militaries in other places), then who is going to impose those penalties?
Consumers can't as there are few or no alternatives for them to go to. |
Absolutely right that consumer power is not as effective as people think.
The Fossil Fuel companies had been Greenwashing for years before they were found out and still there are peeople who don't know about Greenwashing and fall for the lies. | |
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| No subject on 11:19 - Nov 7 with 1360 views | blueasfook |
Well... didnt make much difference. They still had sufficient numbers to block the M25 in several places.
I have noticed a lot of these protestors seem to be old crusty types. Are they recruiting them at post offices on pension day? [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 11:20]
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| No subject on 11:23 - Nov 7 with 1349 views | bluelagos |
| No subject on 11:19 - Nov 7 by blueasfook |
Well... didnt make much difference. They still had sufficient numbers to block the M25 in several places.
I have noticed a lot of these protestors seem to be old crusty types. Are they recruiting them at post offices on pension day? [Post edited 7 Nov 2022 11:20]
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Not many old crusties climbing gantries like that.
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| No subject on 11:24 - Nov 7 with 1333 views | Pinewoodblue |
| No subject on 11:14 - Nov 7 by NthQldITFC |
'Actual facts'? Do you ever watch the news?
Not sure how close you are to the Waveney, sport, but when you feet start getting wet in your living room, you'll be in direct contact with some 'actual facts'.
The 'actual facts' seem to be suggesting that this is more likely to be a lot sooner than was previously believed, it's just a question of us trying to convince idiots to do some 'actual acts' to try to keep the water it at the level of your feet, not your fkn neck. |
Where would you start?
Would you for example be in favour of reducing the speed limit, outside of built up areas to 40mph, and 50 on motorways and dual carriageways.
Would you be in favour of a worldwide ban on clothes manufactured from synthetic, oil based, materials.
Would you ban the transportation of food stuffs over any distance greater than 50 miles?
Would you ban air travel, or use of aircraft to transport goods? | |
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| No subject on 11:27 - Nov 7 with 1333 views | itfcjoe |
| No subject on 10:03 - Nov 7 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around the fact that intelligent people seem to be too frightened to admit to themselves what a catastrophic future is right upon us, and ANYTHING that starts to wake people up to that reality is a good thing.
Nothing else matters. |
I can't get my head around the fact that intelligent people seem to think these protests actually help the cause though, rather than do the total opposite |  |
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