| Burgess’s distribution? 10:35 - Nov 8 with 4144 views | Darth_Koont |
Seems to be accepted by many that Burgess isn’t as good as other CBs on the ball. But I’ve never got that. To me he is easily as good and certainly our best at LCB.
He’s not as quick or quick to turn as the others but that’s more about his size – and he makes up for it as a commanding aerial presence.
That’s also no disrespect to Edmundson. I think he’s done well on his “wrong” side. But I think Burgess just edges it. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:42 - Nov 8 with 3199 views | aardvaark |
I liked Burgess being back feels more solid and he creates stuff with this thru balls. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:44 - Nov 8 with 3187 views | LankHenners |
He isn't. Our ball progression is noticeably slower when he's on it and he doesn't offer the same ability to drive forwards with the ball as Woolfenden or Edmundson. He seemed to get a bit more confident with it in the second half yesterday but it was hardly much of a test at that point.
He's certainly improved on that front and is a very good 'head it and kick it' defender who has played well when he's been in the team but for me it's fairly simple: if we want to be a team that dominates possession and plays on the front foot then we need to have our best ball-playing players in the team as much as possible. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:45 - Nov 8 with 3167 views | clive_baker |
He certainly gives better balance as he's naturally left sided, and as you say a beast in the air. I don't think he's as comfortable on the ball as Woolfy or Edmundson, especially against better quality opposition, but he's not bad by any means. We're lucky to have 4 such capable players for 2 positions really.
I imagine Saturday will see Woolf and Edmundson come back in given neither of them played last night. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:50 - Nov 8 with 3126 views | Dubtractor |
His passing is fine, and he is a solid defender, but he is less comfortable passing through a high press than Edmundson is.
I'd pick Edmondson personally. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:52 - Nov 8 with 3107 views | J2BLUE |
At the very least he is a great option to come off the bench when defending a lead. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:54 - Nov 8 with 3097 views | Darth_Koont |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:44 - Nov 8 by LankHenners |
He isn't. Our ball progression is noticeably slower when he's on it and he doesn't offer the same ability to drive forwards with the ball as Woolfenden or Edmundson. He seemed to get a bit more confident with it in the second half yesterday but it was hardly much of a test at that point.
He's certainly improved on that front and is a very good 'head it and kick it' defender who has played well when he's been in the team but for me it's fairly simple: if we want to be a team that dominates possession and plays on the front foot then we need to have our best ball-playing players in the team as much as possible. |
I must admit I haven’t seen the play slowing down on the left with him there. But I’ll look for it.
Certainly, Woolfenden, Edmundson and Donacien are more athletic and thus generally more willing to come forward. But I’ve not seen much benefit from that on the left so far. And the first priority should be to have an LCB who can find Davis or release him into space, or play it into Edwards’ and Ladapo’s feet which IMO Burgess can do better. | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:58 - Nov 8 with 3064 views | Darth_Koont |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:50 - Nov 8 by Dubtractor |
His passing is fine, and he is a solid defender, but he is less comfortable passing through a high press than Edmundson is.
I'd pick Edmondson personally. |
Hmmmm. I think passing through a high press is where Edmundson really struggles.
It’s a game of opinions.
But important to also reiterate what has been said earlier that we have 4 CBs (plus Donacien playing the hybrid role) who are all very good at this level. Whoever McKenna picks will certainly do a job. | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 11:08 - Nov 8 with 2998 views | Dubtractor |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:58 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont |
Hmmmm. I think passing through a high press is where Edmundson really struggles.
It’s a game of opinions.
But important to also reiterate what has been said earlier that we have 4 CBs (plus Donacien playing the hybrid role) who are all very good at this level. Whoever McKenna picks will certainly do a job. |
Certainly agree with that last point. We are a bit spoiled for choice really, and have the luxury of picking horses fir courses. | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 11:51 - Nov 8 with 2860 views | bobbyramsey |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 11:08 - Nov 8 by Dubtractor |
Certainly agree with that last point. We are a bit spoiled for choice really, and have the luxury of picking horses fir courses. |
Just a shame they keep conceding soft goals ;) |  | | |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 11:57 - Nov 8 with 2819 views | SheffordBlue |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:44 - Nov 8 by LankHenners |
He isn't. Our ball progression is noticeably slower when he's on it and he doesn't offer the same ability to drive forwards with the ball as Woolfenden or Edmundson. He seemed to get a bit more confident with it in the second half yesterday but it was hardly much of a test at that point.
He's certainly improved on that front and is a very good 'head it and kick it' defender who has played well when he's been in the team but for me it's fairly simple: if we want to be a team that dominates possession and plays on the front foot then we need to have our best ball-playing players in the team as much as possible. |
I think this was true last season but is becoming less and less of a difference - his ability on the ball this season and his passing through the lines is also much better and looks like something he has been working on.
He also has the ability with his left foot to play the ball down the line with some inswinging bend on it that keeps it in play - a ball that a right footed player just can't make |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:02 - Nov 8 with 2783 views | Pilgrimblue |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:44 - Nov 8 by LankHenners |
He isn't. Our ball progression is noticeably slower when he's on it and he doesn't offer the same ability to drive forwards with the ball as Woolfenden or Edmundson. He seemed to get a bit more confident with it in the second half yesterday but it was hardly much of a test at that point.
He's certainly improved on that front and is a very good 'head it and kick it' defender who has played well when he's been in the team but for me it's fairly simple: if we want to be a team that dominates possession and plays on the front foot then we need to have our best ball-playing players in the team as much as possible. |
Last night I thought he played a lot of good passes to try and set up attacks. As for slower I thought he was more measured than Woolfy who recently has been slow and too casual.
But for me his height and sound left foot make automatic selection leaving the rest to fight for other positions. |  | | |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:12 - Nov 8 with 2735 views | StokieBlue |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:02 - Nov 8 by Pilgrimblue |
Last night I thought he played a lot of good passes to try and set up attacks. As for slower I thought he was more measured than Woolfy who recently has been slow and too casual.
But for me his height and sound left foot make automatic selection leaving the rest to fight for other positions. |
Automatic selection?
Amazing where a injury break and a good performance against a tier 7 side gets you nowadays.
We've lost one match whilst he's been out so this seems a pretty hot take to me.
He's competing for selection but automatic choice?
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:12 - Nov 8 with 2733 views | Illinoisblue |
Is he the first Town player to play a game wearing a mask? |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:13 - Nov 8 with 2723 views | itfcjoe |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 11:57 - Nov 8 by SheffordBlue |
I think this was true last season but is becoming less and less of a difference - his ability on the ball this season and his passing through the lines is also much better and looks like something he has been working on.
He also has the ability with his left foot to play the ball down the line with some inswinging bend on it that keeps it in play - a ball that a right footed player just can't make |
He has been quicker on the ball this year, but is still much less comfortable on it and is slower on the turn/cover as well so can't over commit at times. Teams happy to let him have the ball - he completed 102 passes last night, with Keogh next on 71 and didn't move us forward with it really at all in first half bar one ball to Edwards early doors.
When we have looked at our best this year it is when Woolf and Fridge spend time nipping in front of attackers to keep the pressure on and building up well in the opposition half and they just can't get out - Burgess just not capable of that sort of play and we couldn't play that really high dangerous line with him inside
He'll play a big part this season, but he's a noticeable step down in quality for me on the ball |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:14 - Nov 8 with 2713 views | clive_baker |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:12 - Nov 8 by Illinoisblue |
Is he the first Town player to play a game wearing a mask? |
Does Fred Barber count? | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:15 - Nov 8 with 2697 views | Illinoisblue |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:14 - Nov 8 by clive_baker |
Does Fred Barber count? |
Ha, good shout! | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:17 - Nov 8 with 2689 views | LankHenners |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 11:57 - Nov 8 by SheffordBlue |
I think this was true last season but is becoming less and less of a difference - his ability on the ball this season and his passing through the lines is also much better and looks like something he has been working on.
He also has the ability with his left foot to play the ball down the line with some inswinging bend on it that keeps it in play - a ball that a right footed player just can't make |
Oh he's improved no doubt and I agree in general with the point about a left footer on the left side opening up more passing lanes, I just think people are getting a bit carried away looking at our last two league games and the 4 (four!) league games Burgess has started and have gone 'well if he plays we don't concede as many' and are talking up his abilities on the ball to justify him coming back in.
If he did come back in I wouldn't be disappointed and would trust him to do a good job but Edmundson and Woolfenden have to be the present and future of the team that are part of our spine as their overall ability and potential outstrips Burgess'.
Some of the clamour for specific players to come in is all getting a little bit 'bring Celina on' for me. | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:21 - Nov 8 with 2656 views | Darth_Koont |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:17 - Nov 8 by LankHenners |
Oh he's improved no doubt and I agree in general with the point about a left footer on the left side opening up more passing lanes, I just think people are getting a bit carried away looking at our last two league games and the 4 (four!) league games Burgess has started and have gone 'well if he plays we don't concede as many' and are talking up his abilities on the ball to justify him coming back in.
If he did come back in I wouldn't be disappointed and would trust him to do a good job but Edmundson and Woolfenden have to be the present and future of the team that are part of our spine as their overall ability and potential outstrips Burgess'.
Some of the clamour for specific players to come in is all getting a little bit 'bring Celina on' for me. |
To be fair, I thought Burgess was shading it at LCB before his injury.
I agree in general that players often become much better when they’re not playing. | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:27 - Nov 8 with 2585 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:13 - Nov 8 by itfcjoe |
He has been quicker on the ball this year, but is still much less comfortable on it and is slower on the turn/cover as well so can't over commit at times. Teams happy to let him have the ball - he completed 102 passes last night, with Keogh next on 71 and didn't move us forward with it really at all in first half bar one ball to Edwards early doors.
When we have looked at our best this year it is when Woolf and Fridge spend time nipping in front of attackers to keep the pressure on and building up well in the opposition half and they just can't get out - Burgess just not capable of that sort of play and we couldn't play that really high dangerous line with him inside
He'll play a big part this season, but he's a noticeable step down in quality for me on the ball |
I think you're being harsh on Burgess out of a personal preference of Edmundson.
Last might Ball stood still in the midfield with Bracknell standing behind him. He didn't drop to receive the ball from Burgess. 2nd half when we had more movement and Bracknell tired, Burgess was able to play to feet and spread the ball round well.
People will their preferences. But I prefer 1 ball player and one commanding cb next to him and we got that with Wolfy and Burgess. Edmundson and Wolfy are a mistake waiting to happen.
People saying results stats etc been fine. Yes they have. But they were the same with Burgess in the side and even better.. we kept more cleansheets. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 13:26 - Nov 8 with 2421 views | BlueBoots |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 10:58 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont |
Hmmmm. I think passing through a high press is where Edmundson really struggles.
It’s a game of opinions.
But important to also reiterate what has been said earlier that we have 4 CBs (plus Donacien playing the hybrid role) who are all very good at this level. Whoever McKenna picks will certainly do a job. |
Agree, but I think that's partly down to Edmundson playing on the left where teams can target forcing him onto his weaker foot; think he'd manage better on the opposite side, but JD isn't going to make way for him.
I much prefer Burgess on the left...gives us balance. But I think the choice should be based on how the opposition set up; think we've missed Burgess in matches against teams who are more direct - Edmundson probably a better option against teams who park the bus and look to counter. |  |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 13:31 - Nov 8 with 2410 views | PhilTWTD |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 12:12 - Nov 8 by Illinoisblue |
Is he the first Town player to play a game wearing a mask? |
Daryl Murphy wore one.
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 15:38 - Nov 8 with 2241 views | Illinoisblue |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 13:31 - Nov 8 by PhilTWTD |
Daryl Murphy wore one.
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Nice. Something a little sinister about masked footballers. | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 15:39 - Nov 8 with 2238 views | PhilTWTD |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 15:38 - Nov 8 by Illinoisblue |
Nice. Something a little sinister about masked footballers. |
Always wondered whether you could sneak an unregistered player into the team by masking them up. Bet it's happened on a Sunday morning somewhere. | | | |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 15:46 - Nov 8 with 2192 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 15:39 - Nov 8 by PhilTWTD |
Always wondered whether you could sneak an unregistered player into the team by masking them up. Bet it's happened on a Sunday morning somewhere. |
There once was a player who was caught out to be the twin of player, after the game, when he didn't have his long sleeve shirt on and he'd shown off his tatoo.
Not a mask obviously, but thought i'd add to it anyway. | |
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| Burgess’s distribution? on 15:51 - Nov 8 with 2182 views | PhilTWTD |
| Burgess’s distribution? on 15:46 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
There once was a player who was caught out to be the twin of player, after the game, when he didn't have his long sleeve shirt on and he'd shown off his tatoo.
Not a mask obviously, but thought i'd add to it anyway. |
That's excellent. Teams could deliberately recruit twins so they could play a different one in each half. | | | |
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