| Putin's Speech 09:38 - Feb 21 with 2869 views | blueasfook |
First a healthy dollop of west blaming for him invading Ukraine, and now he's moved on to homophobia.
"Family means a union between a man and a woman," Putin says, adding that "so say the sacred texts of every religion on Earth".
"But the West is doubting these sacred texts... We have to protect our children from degradation and degeneration - and we will," Putin says.
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| Putin's Speech on 09:40 - Feb 21 with 2417 views | GeoffSentence |
Many of them also go for the 'Thou shalt not kill' angle. I think Vlad the impaler is guilty of a little selection bias there. |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 09:42 - Feb 21 with 2370 views | CaptainAhab |
You can see why a whole swathe of the far right love him eh? |  | | |
| Putin's Speech on 09:45 - Feb 21 with 2363 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ degradation and degeneration”
Doing his best Hitler impression there. Anyone who parrots the ‘Ukrainian NAZIs’,’but NATO’ lines should be ashamed of themselves. | | | |
| Putin's Speech on 10:02 - Feb 21 with 2273 views | Churchman |
Apparently the west opened the door to Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
He forgot to mention that it was the Russians that secretly supported Germany’s rearmament and training in the 30s and then signed a non aggression pact with Hitler in 1939 that effectively sealed Germany’s back door and eased their invasions of Poland and Western Europe. They even did a deal with Adolf to slice up Poland.
He also failed to mention that it was Stalin who purged his armed forces repeatedly and utterly, was in complete denial of German build up for 22/6/41, failed to modernise despite the Spanish Civil War lessons and that directly led to such catastrophic Russian casualties.
His speech is the usual rubbish. Distortions, lies, blame, threats. Nothing new. The domestic audience will lap it up. After Kim Jong Pingpong, Putin has to be the worlds most popular leader. To say the west started the war is a but like saying the little bloke deserved to be punished for running on to the big guy’s fist - despite the little guy not running on to anything.
Still, he looks very well for a 70 year old. The propaganda that he’s seriously ill doesn’t wash with me. Nutty as squirrel sh1t though. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 10:03]
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| Putin's Speech on 10:08 - Feb 21 with 2207 views | Pinewoodblue |
He will ramble on for hours, wait for the sound bites. |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 10:10 - Feb 21 with 2194 views | blueasfook |
| Putin's Speech on 09:45 - Feb 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ degradation and degeneration”
Doing his best Hitler impression there. Anyone who parrots the ‘Ukrainian NAZIs’,’but NATO’ lines should be ashamed of themselves. |
Indeed. The war in Ukraine is a pure act of Russian aggression, nothing more, nothing less. | |
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| Putin's Speech on 10:29 - Feb 21 with 2126 views | DanTheMan |
He's not even correct.
Maybe among Abrahamic religions that could be true although you could make convincing arguments against it. |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 10:46 - Feb 21 with 2048 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Putin's Speech on 10:08 - Feb 21 by Pinewoodblue |
He will ramble on for hours, wait for the sound bites. |
It's a varied speech i'll give him that.
Teeing up World War 3, but then a quick side swerve to higher education policy and then a dash of homophobia to mix it all up. |  | | |
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| Putin's Speech on 11:03 - Feb 21 with 1965 views | Churchman |
| Putin's Speech on 10:46 - Feb 21 by ElderGrizzly |
It's a varied speech i'll give him that.
Teeing up World War 3, but then a quick side swerve to higher education policy and then a dash of homophobia to mix it all up. |
For varied read all the usual reheated rubbish dished up on a freshly painted stage. I had to laugh reading the BBC when it said that the hierarchy in the audience presented a unified front standing to applaud bits of it. Like they are going to do anything else unless of course they fancy learning to fly off a balcony, heart attack or suicide. | | | |
| Putin's Speech on 11:20 - Feb 21 with 1872 views | blueasfook |
| Putin's Speech on 11:03 - Feb 21 by Churchman |
For varied read all the usual reheated rubbish dished up on a freshly painted stage. I had to laugh reading the BBC when it said that the hierarchy in the audience presented a unified front standing to applaud bits of it. Like they are going to do anything else unless of course they fancy learning to fly off a balcony, heart attack or suicide. |
All carefully choreographed sycophantic cheering on yes. I wouldnt be suprised if there were off-camera signs flashing up "Stand Up and Applaud Your Great Leader" at the key points during his speech | |
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| Putin's Speech on 13:05 - Feb 21 with 1665 views | factual_blue |
| Putin's Speech on 10:02 - Feb 21 by Churchman |
Apparently the west opened the door to Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
He forgot to mention that it was the Russians that secretly supported Germany’s rearmament and training in the 30s and then signed a non aggression pact with Hitler in 1939 that effectively sealed Germany’s back door and eased their invasions of Poland and Western Europe. They even did a deal with Adolf to slice up Poland.
He also failed to mention that it was Stalin who purged his armed forces repeatedly and utterly, was in complete denial of German build up for 22/6/41, failed to modernise despite the Spanish Civil War lessons and that directly led to such catastrophic Russian casualties.
His speech is the usual rubbish. Distortions, lies, blame, threats. Nothing new. The domestic audience will lap it up. After Kim Jong Pingpong, Putin has to be the worlds most popular leader. To say the west started the war is a but like saying the little bloke deserved to be punished for running on to the big guy’s fist - despite the little guy not running on to anything.
Still, he looks very well for a 70 year old. The propaganda that he’s seriously ill doesn’t wash with me. Nutty as squirrel sh1t though. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 10:03]
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It's arguable the Versailles Peace Treaty nudged the door open. After all, Marshal Foch said at the time that it wasn't a peace treaty, but a twenty year armistice. (He was only a couple of months out).
However, Stalin (aka Uncle Joe) undoubtedly push the door much wider. |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 13:45 - Feb 21 with 1552 views | Churchman |
| Putin's Speech on 13:05 - Feb 21 by factual_blue |
It's arguable the Versailles Peace Treaty nudged the door open. After all, Marshal Foch said at the time that it wasn't a peace treaty, but a twenty year armistice. (He was only a couple of months out).
However, Stalin (aka Uncle Joe) undoubtedly push the door much wider. |
Marshal Foch had a point and it could be said to be a shame that France and Britain didn’t pay heed to him. He died in 1929. It could also be argued that the Versailles treaty was harsh on Germany. That’s the Nazi and 1930s appeasement narrative.
I’d argue that the Germans got off very lightly in 1918 (Foch’s view). They’d started a war that cost millions of lives. The allies didn’t want it, the Kaiser did. By November 1918, Germany was on its knees militarily and economically. It was also starving. It’s fleet had mutinied and basically it was staring invasion in the face.
The allies could and should have demanded unconditional surrender. By agreeing the Armistice you could argue that it’s terms allowed Germany bogus reasons to rearm at the first opportunity and to lie to itself and the world about the reasons and outcome of WW1.
My view is just one side of it and is unrealistic given how it was at the time - the basis on which history should be judged. I of course understand why France and Britain had had enough of it. The cost in every way was horrific (including relations of mine), not least to France who in addition to their country being laid waste had lost 1.4m killed and over 4m wounded.
The country bears the scars to this day. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 14:33]
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| Putin's Speech on 14:29 - Feb 21 with 1464 views | LeoMuff |
Truly insane , we have to protect our children from gay marriage by sending our sons and daughters to die in their thousands in Ukraine. |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 14:36 - Feb 21 with 1433 views | nodge_blue |
| Putin's Speech on 10:46 - Feb 21 by ElderGrizzly |
It's a varied speech i'll give him that.
Teeing up World War 3, but then a quick side swerve to higher education policy and then a dash of homophobia to mix it all up. |
I prefer when he talks about the economy. Makes me think he's planning more ahead than the next 2 months. |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 14:51 - Feb 21 with 1379 views | GlasgowBlue |
I assume that all of Putin's twitter bots will be backing Kate Forbes to be the new SNP leader. |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 15:24 - Feb 21 with 1341 views | DJR |
| Putin's Speech on 14:51 - Feb 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I assume that all of Putin's twitter bots will be backing Kate Forbes to be the new SNP leader. |
Having seen a part of her interview this morning, I think's she's blown her campaign before it's even begun.
Still, she's a bit too wishy washy for the Wee Wee Frees, the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland (a breakaway from the Free Church of Scotland), of which my Great Great Grandfather was a member. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 15:38]
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| Putin's Speech on 15:43 - Feb 21 with 1270 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Putin's Speech on 15:24 - Feb 21 by DJR |
Having seen a part of her interview this morning, I think's she's blown her campaign before it's even begun.
Still, she's a bit too wishy washy for the Wee Wee Frees, the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland (a breakaway from the Free Church of Scotland), of which my Great Great Grandfather was a member. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 15:38]
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Would you still support the devolved government to have the power over abortion, gender reclassification and same sex marriage if she became First minister? | |
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| Putin's Speech on 16:00 - Feb 21 with 1237 views | DanTheMan |
| Putin's Speech on 15:24 - Feb 21 by DJR |
Having seen a part of her interview this morning, I think's she's blown her campaign before it's even begun.
Still, she's a bit too wishy washy for the Wee Wee Frees, the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland (a breakaway from the Free Church of Scotland), of which my Great Great Grandfather was a member. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 15:38]
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Her defence was very weak. Saying it shouldn't be an issue that she is personally against gay marriage for religious reasons but that she wouldn't force her views on anyone but also she'd vote against gay marriage which is... forcing your views on everyone. | |
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| Putin's Speech on 16:00 - Feb 21 with 1233 views | DJR |
| Putin's Speech on 15:43 - Feb 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Would you still support the devolved government to have the power over abortion, gender reclassification and same sex marriage if she became First minister? |
My post was meant to be lighthearted, and I still don't understand why you keep insist on asking me questions, especially on something we went over a few weeks ago.
The answer in any event is yes.
On same sex marriage, she has indicated she accepts the status quo, and I can't believe she would seek to outlaw abortion.
I am not sure what she would do with gender recognition because the ball is a bit up in the air in the moment, and if she didn't proceed with the challenge (which might not succeed anyway), she would merely be retaining the status quo.
I very much doubt she will be elected anyway but if she were, she would have to take her party with her, as did Tim Farron. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 16:12]
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| Putin's Speech on 16:01 - Feb 21 with 1228 views | itfcjoe |
| Putin's Speech on 16:00 - Feb 21 by DanTheMan |
Her defence was very weak. Saying it shouldn't be an issue that she is personally against gay marriage for religious reasons but that she wouldn't force her views on anyone but also she'd vote against gay marriage which is... forcing your views on everyone. |
It's the circle that Tim Farron couldn't square and made him look an idiot when leading the LDs |  |
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| Putin's Speech on 16:08 - Feb 21 with 1207 views | DJR |
| Putin's Speech on 16:01 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
It's the circle that Tim Farron couldn't square and made him look an idiot when leading the LDs |
It probably suggests that Alastair Campbell was right when he said "We don't do God".
But I don't think we should be saying that people with faith shouldn't be elected or even become leaders.
Incidentally, I think Tim Farron's issues went beyond his religious beliefs, because he wasn't especially inspiring anyway. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 16:10]
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| Putin's Speech on 16:12 - Feb 21 with 1187 views | DanTheMan |
| Putin's Speech on 16:08 - Feb 21 by DJR |
It probably suggests that Alastair Campbell was right when he said "We don't do God".
But I don't think we should be saying that people with faith shouldn't be elected or even become leaders.
Incidentally, I think Tim Farron's issues went beyond his religious beliefs, because he wasn't especially inspiring anyway. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 16:10]
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They can, but their values need to either adhere to modern society or they need to not let their personal beliefs be hoisted onto others.
We can't let religion be an excuse to be a bigot. | |
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| Putin's Speech on 16:27 - Feb 21 with 1150 views | DJR |
| Putin's Speech on 16:12 - Feb 21 by DanTheMan |
They can, but their values need to either adhere to modern society or they need to not let their personal beliefs be hoisted onto others.
We can't let religion be an excuse to be a bigot. |
I fully understand your sentiments but that does sound to me a very illiberal view.
Are you saying, for example, that if there were a Bill to extend the deadline for abortion, people like Tim Farron or Jacob Rees-Mogg shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Incidentally, I'm as progressive as it comes (and support the Scottish gender recognition bill), but it seems to me that it is not religion that is holding back progress these days, but rather the culture wars, which have meant that if we were starting afresh today, I don't think the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 would get off the ground. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 16:30]
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| Putin's Speech on 16:29 - Feb 21 with 1137 views | itfcjoe |
| Putin's Speech on 16:27 - Feb 21 by DJR |
I fully understand your sentiments but that does sound to me a very illiberal view.
Are you saying, for example, that if there were a Bill to extend the deadline for abortion, people like Tim Farron or Jacob Rees-Mogg shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Incidentally, I'm as progressive as it comes (and support the Scottish gender recognition bill), but it seems to me that it is not religion that is holding back progress these days, but rather the culture wars, which have meant that if we were starting afresh today, I don't think the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 would get off the ground. [Post edited 21 Feb 2023 16:30]
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They should be allowed to vote, but they can't lead parties who have overwhelming views that are the complete opposite.
It is these sort of people and these sort of views which has seen Roe v Wade overturned; they can't lead progressive parties when their opponents are pushing back rights as it is | |
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| Putin's Speech on 16:38 - Feb 21 with 1107 views | BlueBadger |
Surely he just has Very Real Concerns? |  |
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