| Long Term Plan 20:29 - Jun 30 with 2877 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
Having listened to the MA interview earlier, it got me thinking about the day when Gamechanger sell us on.
Clearly the plan is to get us promoted to the PL asap, as each season spent in the CS will eat into their ROI.
But how long will they want to own us for if/when we are promoted? Gamechanger, Mark Ashton and KMc all appear to be aligned in their thinking, so I wonder if this includes a plan to move on once the goal is achieved?
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| Long Term Plan on 21:02 - Jun 30 with 2745 views | WestSussexBlue |
So the ceiling for this club as they see it is only promotion and then we’re pretty much worthless to them?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the realistic goal to them is now promotion to the PL within 3 years, establish and consolidate within the following 3 years and then look to push on as we’ve seen Brighton do and look to bring European football back by 2032. | | | |
| Long Term Plan on 21:11 - Jun 30 with 2707 views | The_Major |
Yeah, exactly. I mean, theoretically we could be starting a Premier season this time next year, but it's no good if we came straight back down again.
Four or five consecutive seasons up there before they even consider it I reckon - plus they've got apparent long term plans for the stadium. If they sold up before 2035, I'd be surprised. |  | | |
| Long Term Plan on 21:12 - Jun 30 with 2704 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| Long Term Plan on 21:02 - Jun 30 by WestSussexBlue |
So the ceiling for this club as they see it is only promotion and then we’re pretty much worthless to them?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the realistic goal to them is now promotion to the PL within 3 years, establish and consolidate within the following 3 years and then look to push on as we’ve seen Brighton do and look to bring European football back by 2032. |
I suppose it depends when GC can maximise their ROI.
Is that when we're promoted? Or can they grow the value of the club further? Doing what Brighton have done doesn't come cheap. It's only in the last 12 months that they haven't made heavy losses, thanks to their remarkable player trading. | | | |
| Long Term Plan on 21:48 - Jun 30 with 2566 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I was wondering the same. Promotion to the Prem and a quick sale feels the low risk option. Holding out longer to establish us and push on comes with the risk of relegation and a financial mess.
Pensions tend to be longer term investments so hopefully they are in it for the medium/long term. | | | |
| Long Term Plan on 21:57 - Jun 30 with 2544 views | FrimleyBlue |
Said it before. And whilst people can laugh at it. If success happens there is no reason we can't be the next man city come 10 years time.
The whole of East Anglia and Essex is there to grab new supporters.
If town did what we did in the late 70s and 80s nowadays we'd have 40-50000 each week with a global reach of millions.
It won't happen overnight. It may never happen and we could in 5 years be back to where we were when gamechanger took over.
But there is a big opportunity at this club in modern football which Norwich failed to take advantage of with their yo yoing |  |
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| Long Term Plan on 22:11 - Jun 30 with 2483 views | ArnieM |
Listening to MA from the moment he came into the Club and the ambition our new owners have , I’ve felt this club is focusing on the VERY top level - the Champions League . If the funding is there, why not!
Success is defined not by the position in which we stand, but by the direction in which we look.., |  |
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| Long Term Plan on 22:23 - Jun 30 with 2429 views | Guthrum |
| Long Term Plan on 21:12 - Jun 30 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
I suppose it depends when GC can maximise their ROI.
Is that when we're promoted? Or can they grow the value of the club further? Doing what Brighton have done doesn't come cheap. It's only in the last 12 months that they haven't made heavy losses, thanks to their remarkable player trading. |
You say it doesn't come cheap, but if that is built into the business plan, it becomes not a problem, merely an expected part of the process.
Pretty sure there will be a continuous assessment. The first summer, they'd barely got their feet under the table and there was not much potential, hence Cook was allowed his clear-out. Last summer there was clear potential for promotion, so they continued. This summer promotion has been achieved, so they continue again. And so on, all balanced against financial criteria as well. Every season, looking at whether more progress can be made, how much it would cost and the increase in value as a result.
I also really think player trading will play a significant part in how things go, plus non-football commercial development, from concerts to leisure and retail facilities. Rebuilding parts of the ground will be cheaper than Brighton having to construct the Amex from scratch. |  |
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| Long Term Plan on 22:45 - Jun 30 with 2328 views | SmithersJones |
It’s probably worth differentiating between the Three Lions (Johnson/Bakay/Detmer) and ORG/PSPRS (Ed Schwartz) when thinking about Gamechanger and their long term plan. Perfectly possible that ORG decide to cash their chips in at some point but someone else buys their share in Gamechanger. In some ways this could be the ideal scenario for us, especially as, right now, I’d trust Johnson et al to choose a decent financial backer should the need arise. | | | |
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| Long Term Plan on 22:55 - Jun 30 with 2298 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Long Term Plan on 21:02 - Jun 30 by WestSussexBlue |
So the ceiling for this club as they see it is only promotion and then we’re pretty much worthless to them?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the realistic goal to them is now promotion to the PL within 3 years, establish and consolidate within the following 3 years and then look to push on as we’ve seen Brighton do and look to bring European football back by 2032. |
It’s a juggling act isn’t it. The better the club does on the pitch and the more they can grow other income, the more the club resale value. You want to keep growing but odds are at some point you peak and decline. It’s being able to spot the point of decline far enough ahead to sell the club at the peak that’s the challenge. It takes so long to find a new buyer that it’s not a short process either. I suspect they’d look to try and consolidate and grow still in the PL rather than sell straight away (if we’re lucky enough to get there). As long as we’re on an upwards trajectory it makes sense to stick. |  |
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| Long Term Plan on 23:47 - Jun 30 with 2199 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Long Term Plan on 21:57 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Said it before. And whilst people can laugh at it. If success happens there is no reason we can't be the next man city come 10 years time.
The whole of East Anglia and Essex is there to grab new supporters.
If town did what we did in the late 70s and 80s nowadays we'd have 40-50000 each week with a global reach of millions.
It won't happen overnight. It may never happen and we could in 5 years be back to where we were when gamechanger took over.
But there is a big opportunity at this club in modern football which Norwich failed to take advantage of with their yo yoing |
I love our football club right now. I love our manager and really appreciate the owners. But we are in a completely different universe to Man City.
KM can overachieve and he could with the right backing achieve something with Ipswich. But please please have a realistic mindset. Unbelievable success for us would be firstly even getting back to the prem and longer term winning something. A league cup or getting into a European competition (think conference league). Even this is probably a little bit of wishful thinking. It's not impossible.
Game changer spending power is an absolute fraction of the big boys (and rightly so - they can't spunk huge sums of a pension fund at a football club). They will sell when the time is right and we have to hope (and I trust they will try their hardest) they sell to a very good new owner).
Brighton is possible. Man City.....sorry. | |
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| Long Term Plan on 06:06 - Jul 1 with 2042 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| Long Term Plan on 21:57 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Said it before. And whilst people can laugh at it. If success happens there is no reason we can't be the next man city come 10 years time.
The whole of East Anglia and Essex is there to grab new supporters.
If town did what we did in the late 70s and 80s nowadays we'd have 40-50000 each week with a global reach of millions.
It won't happen overnight. It may never happen and we could in 5 years be back to where we were when gamechanger took over.
But there is a big opportunity at this club in modern football which Norwich failed to take advantage of with their yo yoing |
I love your optimism, but realistically we will never be another Man City (not sure I would want to be).
I get what you're saying about the catchment area and the potential to be a 'big' club, but state owners and top players want to own/play for trendy big city clubs in London, Manchester etc. | | | |
| Long Term Plan on 06:27 - Jul 1 with 1999 views | NthQldITFC |
| Long Term Plan on 22:45 - Jun 30 by SmithersJones |
It’s probably worth differentiating between the Three Lions (Johnson/Bakay/Detmer) and ORG/PSPRS (Ed Schwartz) when thinking about Gamechanger and their long term plan. Perfectly possible that ORG decide to cash their chips in at some point but someone else buys their share in Gamechanger. In some ways this could be the ideal scenario for us, especially as, right now, I’d trust Johnson et al to choose a decent financial backer should the need arise. |
It's something that slightly concerns me too, at the back of my mind in the context of the exciting and heart-warming change they've brought to ITFC in the last couple of years. Some interesting and well-considered points in this thread that offer reassurance, particularly your idea. But we couldn't really be in a better place at the moment considering where they've picked us up from, so it's silly to worry anyway. |  |
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| Long Term Plan on 06:53 - Jul 1 with 1954 views | ElephantintheRoom |
You have to remember that they are on opposite carriages of the gravy train. Ashton and O’Leary pre-booked their seats by convincing some opportunists to use a pension funds money to make a no risk financial killing. Effectively O’Leary and Ashton have already won the lottery - all they get now is more gravy from their bonuses - hence the ‘long term plan’.
The three stooges seem to have a model where they talk up the value and flog bits and bobs to the gullible is their Phoenix Stalling tactics are anything to go by - so they are probably going to do ‘do an Evans’ and sell on a chunk and keep a bit as a windfall…. Especially any property they can strip out of a pretty empty shell.
As yet the investment opportunity remains unclear - other than allegedly lose £100 million as Evans mislaid or to lose £25 million in two years like the current beneficiaries to slap on top of their alleged £40 million ‘investment’ | |
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| Long Term Plan on 07:16 - Jul 1 with 1904 views | wkj |
| Long Term Plan on 06:53 - Jul 1 by ElephantintheRoom |
You have to remember that they are on opposite carriages of the gravy train. Ashton and O’Leary pre-booked their seats by convincing some opportunists to use a pension funds money to make a no risk financial killing. Effectively O’Leary and Ashton have already won the lottery - all they get now is more gravy from their bonuses - hence the ‘long term plan’.
The three stooges seem to have a model where they talk up the value and flog bits and bobs to the gullible is their Phoenix Stalling tactics are anything to go by - so they are probably going to do ‘do an Evans’ and sell on a chunk and keep a bit as a windfall…. Especially any property they can strip out of a pretty empty shell.
As yet the investment opportunity remains unclear - other than allegedly lose £100 million as Evans mislaid or to lose £25 million in two years like the current beneficiaries to slap on top of their alleged £40 million ‘investment’ |
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| Long Term Plan on 07:29 - Jul 1 with 1850 views | wkj |
| Long Term Plan on 21:57 - Jun 30 by FrimleyBlue |
Said it before. And whilst people can laugh at it. If success happens there is no reason we can't be the next man city come 10 years time.
The whole of East Anglia and Essex is there to grab new supporters.
If town did what we did in the late 70s and 80s nowadays we'd have 40-50000 each week with a global reach of millions.
It won't happen overnight. It may never happen and we could in 5 years be back to where we were when gamechanger took over.
But there is a big opportunity at this club in modern football which Norwich failed to take advantage of with their yo yoing |
I'm not sure I really want Man City to be the role model in all honesty
https://apnews.com/article/man-city-charges-financial-premier-league-a693bc86584 | |
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| Long Term Plan on 07:35 - Jul 1 with 1830 views | NthQldITFC |
| Long Term Plan on 06:53 - Jul 1 by ElephantintheRoom |
You have to remember that they are on opposite carriages of the gravy train. Ashton and O’Leary pre-booked their seats by convincing some opportunists to use a pension funds money to make a no risk financial killing. Effectively O’Leary and Ashton have already won the lottery - all they get now is more gravy from their bonuses - hence the ‘long term plan’.
The three stooges seem to have a model where they talk up the value and flog bits and bobs to the gullible is their Phoenix Stalling tactics are anything to go by - so they are probably going to do ‘do an Evans’ and sell on a chunk and keep a bit as a windfall…. Especially any property they can strip out of a pretty empty shell.
As yet the investment opportunity remains unclear - other than allegedly lose £100 million as Evans mislaid or to lose £25 million in two years like the current beneficiaries to slap on top of their alleged £40 million ‘investment’ |
What's happened to the half-arsed US investment at Norwich, do you think? Is the fella waiting for another relegation or two so he can snap up the shares for 50c and a packet of Trill, or has he got cold feet and is cutting his losses? Was it $1m he's put in so far? Not much of a commitment, eh? Grim oop north. | |
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| Long Term Plan on 08:16 - Jul 1 with 1647 views | Churchman |
| Long Term Plan on 06:53 - Jul 1 by ElephantintheRoom |
You have to remember that they are on opposite carriages of the gravy train. Ashton and O’Leary pre-booked their seats by convincing some opportunists to use a pension funds money to make a no risk financial killing. Effectively O’Leary and Ashton have already won the lottery - all they get now is more gravy from their bonuses - hence the ‘long term plan’.
The three stooges seem to have a model where they talk up the value and flog bits and bobs to the gullible is their Phoenix Stalling tactics are anything to go by - so they are probably going to do ‘do an Evans’ and sell on a chunk and keep a bit as a windfall…. Especially any property they can strip out of a pretty empty shell.
As yet the investment opportunity remains unclear - other than allegedly lose £100 million as Evans mislaid or to lose £25 million in two years like the current beneficiaries to slap on top of their alleged £40 million ‘investment’ |
Paragraph one: the owners, Chairman and CEO have explained how the purchase happened. You clearly have evidence to the contrary because you are basically saying they’ve lied. Please provide it.
Paragraph two: calling people stooges on a forum when you wouldn’t do so to their faces is keyboard warrior stuff; rude and a bit sad. The content of this and final paragraph is meaningless. All in all a July 1st dose of misery and abuse. Oh well. [Post edited 1 Jul 2023 9:58]
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