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AT LAST!! 20:11 - Nov 17 with 10203 viewsbluejacko

Let the ATACMs,Storm Shadow and Scalp fly👍
Biden has finally dropped the restrictions,late but nonetheless welcome!,
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AT LAST!! on 20:23 - Nov 17 with 5309 viewsJ2BLUE

Now or never really for Biden isn't it?

Truly impaired.
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AT LAST!! on 21:58 - Nov 17 with 5136 viewsDinDjarin

You think that's a good thing?

Trying to drag NATO into the war.

Have you seen Putin's response.

This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office.
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AT LAST!! on 22:55 - Nov 17 with 5005 viewsbluejacko

AT LAST!! on 21:58 - Nov 17 by DinDjarin

You think that's a good thing?

Trying to drag NATO into the war.

Have you seen Putin's response.

This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office.


Pootins response? Nukes on the way?
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AT LAST!! on 23:14 - Nov 17 with 4986 viewsStokieBlue

AT LAST!! on 21:58 - Nov 17 by DinDjarin

You think that's a good thing?

Trying to drag NATO into the war.

Have you seen Putin's response.

This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office.


They are short range missiles that can only go 190 miles, even launched from the border they barely make it into Russia.

Whilst on the other side we have North Korean troops being drafted in to fight.

"This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office."

Ridiculous exaggeration.

SB
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AT LAST!! on 00:13 - Nov 18 with 4836 viewsOldsmoker

AT LAST!! on 21:58 - Nov 17 by DinDjarin

You think that's a good thing?

Trying to drag NATO into the war.

Have you seen Putin's response.

This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office.


Is this payback for Trump setting the Afghanistan withdrawal date?

Biden had no choice but to withdraw - the US was committed to do it, Trump saw to that. Maybe Trump let the Taliban get one of those classified docs he stole from the White House to ensure they could embarrass the US military.

Well here you are Donnie - get out of an escalating war if you can.
Crisis on day one of his Presidency - that's the day the war's supposed to end according to one of Trumps boasts.
Let's see how that weekend Fox News host deals with it, seeing as he's now Head of Defense at the Pentagon.

Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
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AT LAST!! on 07:06 - Nov 18 with 4554 viewsDinDjarin

AT LAST!! on 23:14 - Nov 17 by StokieBlue

They are short range missiles that can only go 190 miles, even launched from the border they barely make it into Russia.

Whilst on the other side we have North Korean troops being drafted in to fight.

"This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office."

Ridiculous exaggeration.

SB


So the mention of nukes being used if this happens and you think my statement is ridiculous?

So you don't think the timing is questionable at all? This is the brink of WW3 and people just happy clapping along with the US dragging NATO along for the ride.

This is a scary escalation beyond words with the aim of prolonging a war that Ukraine has already lost.
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AT LAST!! on 07:20 - Nov 18 with 4508 viewsMJallday

AT LAST!! on 07:06 - Nov 18 by DinDjarin

So the mention of nukes being used if this happens and you think my statement is ridiculous?

So you don't think the timing is questionable at all? This is the brink of WW3 and people just happy clapping along with the US dragging NATO along for the ride.

This is a scary escalation beyond words with the aim of prolonging a war that Ukraine has already lost.


Are you a Russian spy bot?

The war is nowhere near lost . The battlefront is barely even in the Ukraine right now
Russia have launched a shedload of drones but that’s about it

Even the Russians arnt stupid enough to use a nuke in the country geographically situated right next to them- that they wouldn’t be able to inhabit - which is the whole point

Dearie me

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AT LAST!! on 07:26 - Nov 18 with 4481 viewsDinDjarin

AT LAST!! on 07:20 - Nov 18 by MJallday

Are you a Russian spy bot?

The war is nowhere near lost . The battlefront is barely even in the Ukraine right now
Russia have launched a shedload of drones but that’s about it

Even the Russians arnt stupid enough to use a nuke in the country geographically situated right next to them- that they wouldn’t be able to inhabit - which is the whole point

Dearie me


Dearie me indeed.
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AT LAST!! on 07:35 - Nov 18 with 4453 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

AT LAST!! on 07:06 - Nov 18 by DinDjarin

So the mention of nukes being used if this happens and you think my statement is ridiculous?

So you don't think the timing is questionable at all? This is the brink of WW3 and people just happy clapping along with the US dragging NATO along for the ride.

This is a scary escalation beyond words with the aim of prolonging a war that Ukraine has already lost.


Putin’s been threatening nuclear retaliation since feb 2022 - how is it even news anymore?

His conventional forces are busted flush, and nukes are all he has, all their military spending was siphoned off to luxury homes in the balkans and yachts in Dubai. Half a million casualties since 2022 to take an area little bigger than Iceland from a country with a 3rd of Russias population. Unfortunately for Vlad - the US, UK, and France also have nuclear capability, so unless he’s particularly suicidal his threats are irrelevant.

The West need to back Ukraine with everything they have before the orange appeaser takes office. With the caveat of course, only as long as the people of Ukraine want to fight.
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AT LAST!! on 07:44 - Nov 18 with 4402 viewsPinewoodblue

AT LAST!! on 07:06 - Nov 18 by DinDjarin

So the mention of nukes being used if this happens and you think my statement is ridiculous?

So you don't think the timing is questionable at all? This is the brink of WW3 and people just happy clapping along with the US dragging NATO along for the ride.

This is a scary escalation beyond words with the aim of prolonging a war that Ukraine has already lost.


The only thing wrong with Biden’s timing is it should have happened ages ago.

The invasion of Ukraine began 10 years ago with the annexation of Crimea. The US needs to stand up to Russian expansion if it doesn’t which Country will be next?

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AT LAST!! on 07:51 - Nov 18 with 4367 viewsbluejacko

AT LAST!! on 07:44 - Nov 18 by Pinewoodblue

The only thing wrong with Biden’s timing is it should have happened ages ago.

The invasion of Ukraine began 10 years ago with the annexation of Crimea. The US needs to stand up to Russian expansion if it doesn’t which Country will be next?


Correct IF we had supplied these weapons at the start and not drip fed them to Ukraine this would have been over by now and thousands of live saved!
All you have to do is actually listen and see what pootin claims belongs to the Russian empire,if Ukraine falls its not stopping there!
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AT LAST!! on 08:26 - Nov 18 with 4268 viewsDJR

It's not a gamechanger (to use a word I dislike).

We are only talking about a few hundred missiles but listening to the World Service, it seems they will be used to help defend the territory Ukraine has captured.

The interesting thing is that Trump is yet to comment, which makes me wonder whether this is something that Trump has agreed to, with Trump thinking it will strengthen his hand when it comes to negotiating a settlement, as he seems determined to do.
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AT LAST!! on 08:35 - Nov 18 with 4218 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

AT LAST!! on 21:58 - Nov 17 by DinDjarin

You think that's a good thing?

Trying to drag NATO into the war.

Have you seen Putin's response.

This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office.


I haven't seen Putin's response, because there hasn't been one.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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AT LAST!! on 08:40 - Nov 18 with 4170 viewsMattinLondon

AT LAST!! on 21:58 - Nov 17 by DinDjarin

You think that's a good thing?

Trying to drag NATO into the war.

Have you seen Putin's response.

This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office.


Should have happened ages ago as the only thing that Putin respects is brute force.
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AT LAST!! on 08:44 - Nov 18 with 4159 viewsGlasgowBlue

AT LAST!! on 23:14 - Nov 17 by StokieBlue

They are short range missiles that can only go 190 miles, even launched from the border they barely make it into Russia.

Whilst on the other side we have North Korean troops being drafted in to fight.

"This is proper scorched earth before Trump takes office."

Ridiculous exaggeration.

SB


It’s certainly not a scorched earth policy but the timing is odd. Biden could, and should, have done this at any time since 2022 but is leaving it until two months before he leaves office.

To me it look like a political move to strengthen Zelenskyy’s hand should Trump attempt to bulldoze Ukraine into a accepting a shabby compromise.

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AT LAST!! on 08:47 - Nov 18 with 4136 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

AT LAST!! on 08:44 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue

It’s certainly not a scorched earth policy but the timing is odd. Biden could, and should, have done this at any time since 2022 but is leaving it until two months before he leaves office.

To me it look like a political move to strengthen Zelenskyy’s hand should Trump attempt to bulldoze Ukraine into a accepting a shabby compromise.


I wondered if it's Biden's last attempt at starting the end of the war so he can have a lasting legacy and not have Trump do it and take the glory.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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AT LAST!! on 08:52 - Nov 18 with 4096 viewsGlasgowBlue

AT LAST!! on 08:35 - Nov 18 by The_Flashing_Smile

I haven't seen Putin's response, because there hasn't been one.


Putin has stayed silent. He often does this when looking weak. Just pretends it’s not happening.

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AT LAST!! on 08:53 - Nov 18 with 4092 viewsDJR

This is the New York Times take.

The permission to use the missiles, called Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight, officials said. The weapons are likely to be initially used in defense of Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region of western Russia, the officials said.

Russian forces are set to launch — with an estimated 50,000 soldiers, including North Korean troops — a major assault on dug-in Ukrainian positions there. The Kremlin’s goal is to retake all of the territory Ukrainians seized during their incursion in August.

If Kyiv’s forces use the ATACMS missiles to strike key Russian and North Korean military targets, they could help the blunt the joint assault. The Ukrainians hope that in future negotiations they would be able to trade any Russian territory they hold in the Kursk region for Ukrainian territory held by Russia.
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AT LAST!! on 09:04 - Nov 18 with 4029 viewsGlasgowBlue

AT LAST!! on 08:47 - Nov 18 by The_Flashing_Smile

I wondered if it's Biden's last attempt at starting the end of the war so he can have a lasting legacy and not have Trump do it and take the glory.


As Stokie posted, these aren’t powerful enough to be decisive in ending the war. At best they keep Ukraine in the game a little bit longer.

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AT LAST!! on 09:07 - Nov 18 with 3999 viewsGuthrum

AT LAST!! on 08:47 - Nov 18 by The_Flashing_Smile

I wondered if it's Biden's last attempt at starting the end of the war so he can have a lasting legacy and not have Trump do it and take the glory.


Except this won't end the war. It might increase the stalemate by damaging Russian logistics and organisation. But it's not going to be decisive.

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AT LAST!! on 09:32 - Nov 18 with 3906 viewshype313

AT LAST!! on 07:35 - Nov 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Putin’s been threatening nuclear retaliation since feb 2022 - how is it even news anymore?

His conventional forces are busted flush, and nukes are all he has, all their military spending was siphoned off to luxury homes in the balkans and yachts in Dubai. Half a million casualties since 2022 to take an area little bigger than Iceland from a country with a 3rd of Russias population. Unfortunately for Vlad - the US, UK, and France also have nuclear capability, so unless he’s particularly suicidal his threats are irrelevant.

The West need to back Ukraine with everything they have before the orange appeaser takes office. With the caveat of course, only as long as the people of Ukraine want to fight.


Add the fact that given the state of his Tanks, Aircraft and general military weaponry, you do wonder how useful his nukes are, especially given the cost that needs to maintain them.

Not that we should call his bluff btw, but does beg the question, has the money for servicing these been siphoned off for luxury Villas...

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AT LAST!! on 09:35 - Nov 18 with 3895 viewsTrequartista

This is frightening and totally irresponsible to just do this when you're leaving your job.

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AT LAST!! on 09:49 - Nov 18 with 3826 viewsDinDjarin

AT LAST!! on 08:35 - Nov 18 by The_Flashing_Smile

I haven't seen Putin's response, because there hasn't been one.


Not in the last 24 hours but made it pretty clear a month a ago what could be on the table if the US allowed their tech to be used on Russian soil.



And the same people on here saying he is a nutter and would stop at nothing to achieve his goals now saying ah, call his bluff, he wont do it.

Nukes come in all sizes and I would not put it past him to use a small tactical nuke.
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AT LAST!! on 09:59 - Nov 18 with 3744 viewsStokieBlue

AT LAST!! on 07:06 - Nov 18 by DinDjarin

So the mention of nukes being used if this happens and you think my statement is ridiculous?

So you don't think the timing is questionable at all? This is the brink of WW3 and people just happy clapping along with the US dragging NATO along for the ride.

This is a scary escalation beyond words with the aim of prolonging a war that Ukraine has already lost.


The real problem here is that you're the type of person that Putin wants to provoke and use. You're very quick to jump in when something supports your narrative and you're very vocal.

Here he's got you thinking it's a NATO escalation when in reality it was Russia bringing in North Korean troops. He's not even made a statement about this and nuclear weapons. You've based your opinion on historical statements.

The nuclear option statement is the same empty threat he's been pushing for decades. There is nothing in it for Russia to use a nuclear weapon but if he can make people like you believe it and sow discord on the west then it's job done for him.

SB
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AT LAST!! on 10:13 - Nov 18 with 3673 viewsDinDjarin

AT LAST!! on 09:59 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue

The real problem here is that you're the type of person that Putin wants to provoke and use. You're very quick to jump in when something supports your narrative and you're very vocal.

Here he's got you thinking it's a NATO escalation when in reality it was Russia bringing in North Korean troops. He's not even made a statement about this and nuclear weapons. You've based your opinion on historical statements.

The nuclear option statement is the same empty threat he's been pushing for decades. There is nothing in it for Russia to use a nuclear weapon but if he can make people like you believe it and sow discord on the west then it's job done for him.

SB


Type of person? How condescending of you.

I have no narrative. I hate war full stop.

But crack on.
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