| Goalkeeper 10:15 - Jan 28 with 5207 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
Will keep banging the drum on this one, but I really think we have to sign a new goalkeeper this window.
Neither keep you up in this division. I think it's as simple as that. Right now, it's 3 teams battling for 1 magic spot to keep you in this league and decisions like this matter. Be ruthless or fall short. |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 10:22 - Jan 28 with 3462 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
We won't sign a new keeper, we have three and would have to, at short notice, offload one. We have more chance of playing in the Conference League next season than signing a new, first-team standard, keeper, at this short notice in a January window and it doesn't matter how much you may bang the drum on it. |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 10:32 - Jan 28 with 3374 views | NedPlimpton |
Sorry, but this is such a simplistic way of looking at things.
For a start scoring goals is a bigger issue than conceding. We've scored the 3rd fewest goals in the league and conceded the 4th most (having played the leagues highest scorers twice already). We also still have the lowest XG in the league
Signing a new keeper may prevent a goal here or there, but really we need to get our shooting boots on again and start finding a way to get the ball up the pitch and troubling the opposition goal. We just aren't doing that with the current system and Delap looks incredibly isolated
Personally i'd get Muric back in and start attempting to play out from the back a bit more. That means accepting there'll be a few mistakes along the way but it carried more of a threat than we're currently producing |  | | |
| Goalkeeper on 11:08 - Jan 28 with 3282 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Goalkeeper on 10:22 - Jan 28 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
We won't sign a new keeper, we have three and would have to, at short notice, offload one. We have more chance of playing in the Conference League next season than signing a new, first-team standard, keeper, at this short notice in a January window and it doesn't matter how much you may bang the drum on it. |
Then I think we will get relegated if we don't - but that's my opinion.
You really do need a good goalkeeper at this level. Even at the top end, look at Chelsea with Sanchez, they're not bad going forwards, but they won't get top 4 with him in goal. | |
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| Goalkeeper on 11:13 - Jan 28 with 3264 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Goalkeeper on 10:32 - Jan 28 by NedPlimpton |
Sorry, but this is such a simplistic way of looking at things.
For a start scoring goals is a bigger issue than conceding. We've scored the 3rd fewest goals in the league and conceded the 4th most (having played the leagues highest scorers twice already). We also still have the lowest XG in the league
Signing a new keeper may prevent a goal here or there, but really we need to get our shooting boots on again and start finding a way to get the ball up the pitch and troubling the opposition goal. We just aren't doing that with the current system and Delap looks incredibly isolated
Personally i'd get Muric back in and start attempting to play out from the back a bit more. That means accepting there'll be a few mistakes along the way but it carried more of a threat than we're currently producing |
It's easier said than done though to score more goals. We have struggled but we've been fortunate that Delap hit the ground running and Szmodics and Omari have chipped in too.
We don't have many goals after that. A few are on 1 goal, but we're struggling.
There's been games where we've gone 1-0 down and I haven't felt like we will overturn that and win it 2-1. We don't look like a team who will score 2 goals sometimes. We've spent money and added to our forward line, so this may pick up.
I prefer Muric to Walton and if we aren't buying a new keeper, then I'd get him back in and persist, but I don't think he keeps you up. | |
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| Goalkeeper on 11:24 - Jan 28 with 3235 views | waveneyblue |
| Goalkeeper on 10:32 - Jan 28 by NedPlimpton |
Sorry, but this is such a simplistic way of looking at things.
For a start scoring goals is a bigger issue than conceding. We've scored the 3rd fewest goals in the league and conceded the 4th most (having played the leagues highest scorers twice already). We also still have the lowest XG in the league
Signing a new keeper may prevent a goal here or there, but really we need to get our shooting boots on again and start finding a way to get the ball up the pitch and troubling the opposition goal. We just aren't doing that with the current system and Delap looks incredibly isolated
Personally i'd get Muric back in and start attempting to play out from the back a bit more. That means accepting there'll be a few mistakes along the way but it carried more of a threat than we're currently producing |
The problem is a vast vocal section of our glorious fanbase have zero chance of "accepting a few mistakes along the way"
The hatred of Muric was way over the top and will sadly return the minute he makes another mistake.
There were plenty of comments in the Bristol Rovers game.
They've created a monster there I'm afraid |  | | |
| Goalkeeper on 11:29 - Jan 28 with 3205 views | positivity |
it's a bit simplistic that a magical perfect keeper will solve all our problems.
soton massively outspent us on a keeper (in fee and wages) and he's underperforming muric on just about every metric and has helped them to 6 points |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 11:56 - Jan 28 with 3109 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Goalkeeper on 11:08 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Then I think we will get relegated if we don't - but that's my opinion.
You really do need a good goalkeeper at this level. Even at the top end, look at Chelsea with Sanchez, they're not bad going forwards, but they won't get top 4 with him in goal. |
Maybe if Chelsea with all their many millions are struggling to find an elite goalkeeper then it's not quite as easy as just signing another keeper who is going to magically turn around our fortunes. | | | |
| Goalkeeper on 12:03 - Jan 28 with 3081 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Goalkeeper on 11:08 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Then I think we will get relegated if we don't - but that's my opinion.
You really do need a good goalkeeper at this level. Even at the top end, look at Chelsea with Sanchez, they're not bad going forwards, but they won't get top 4 with him in goal. |
We will likely still be relegated if we do, there's 10 more players on the pitch who contribute as much to our goals against as our keepers do. This idea that Muric, or Walton, are purely at fault for all the points dropped when we have so many other issues all over the field which are causing us to drop points is just silly. | |
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| Goalkeeper on 12:10 - Jan 28 with 3040 views | HampBlue |
No we don't. Muric is good enough, despite all the bed wetting. People very quick to get fixated on errors and forget the numerous good saves he made in the same games (e.g at Brentford, before the error saved about 3 high XG chances)
We should be focusing funds outfield, goalkeeper is the last line of defense. Southampton spent 25mil on a goalkeeper who has also made numerous errors this season. They are all prone to it, even more so when you're one of the worst teams in the division. | | | |
| Goalkeeper on 12:26 - Jan 28 with 2956 views | itfc48 |
At the minute there is a shortage of high-class goalkeepers who also tick the box of being able to play out from the back. There will likely be more choice when the next generation come through but for now there are very few high-class ball-playing keepers. | | | |
| Goalkeeper on 12:35 - Jan 28 with 2922 views | bsw72 |
Even if I was to accept this somewhat simplified approach to solving the defensive problems (which I don't, and it isn't), who is available, in our price range that will improve on what we have?
Chelsea and Man Utd with their $$ have not been able to find an optimal solution, so I doubt we can without the budget and battling relegation . . . |  | | |
| Goalkeeper on 12:39 - Jan 28 with 2887 views | Swansea_Blue |
I agree with those that think it’s too simplistic to think one change can make a big difference, but it is a position that’s causing us problems.
I can’t see us pushing the boat out for a proven top level keeper, so I’d persevere with Muric. There will be some wobbles along the way; we just have to accept that. He’s very good in many other aspects of his game though and still learning. |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 12:40 - Jan 28 with 2881 views | NedPlimpton |
| Goalkeeper on 11:13 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
It's easier said than done though to score more goals. We have struggled but we've been fortunate that Delap hit the ground running and Szmodics and Omari have chipped in too.
We don't have many goals after that. A few are on 1 goal, but we're struggling.
There's been games where we've gone 1-0 down and I haven't felt like we will overturn that and win it 2-1. We don't look like a team who will score 2 goals sometimes. We've spent money and added to our forward line, so this may pick up.
I prefer Muric to Walton and if we aren't buying a new keeper, then I'd get him back in and persist, but I don't think he keeps you up. |
If we're talking about things that are easier said than done, then signing a GK in the January window that's an upgrade on our current options definitely has to be up there! | | | |
| Goalkeeper on 12:50 - Jan 28 with 2833 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Goalkeeper on 12:03 - Jan 28 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
We will likely still be relegated if we do, there's 10 more players on the pitch who contribute as much to our goals against as our keepers do. This idea that Muric, or Walton, are purely at fault for all the points dropped when we have so many other issues all over the field which are causing us to drop points is just silly. |
Where have I said they're at fault for all the points dropped?
I don't think they're bad goalkeepers, I just don't think they're good enough to keep you up in the Premier League.
Muric is the better of the two and has better attributes in my opinion. I don't think his decision making has been good enough, but his claiming of crosses and shot stopping is good enough (but he's sat on the bench now). I don't think Walton is very commanding of his 6 yard box, gets lost when the ball is stuck on top of him and I did feel the first goal on Saturday was a poor goal to concede, but his decision making of when to go long is better than Muric's. | |
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| Goalkeeper on 12:59 - Jan 28 with 2775 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Goalkeeper on 12:35 - Jan 28 by bsw72 |
Even if I was to accept this somewhat simplified approach to solving the defensive problems (which I don't, and it isn't), who is available, in our price range that will improve on what we have?
Chelsea and Man Utd with their $$ have not been able to find an optimal solution, so I doubt we can without the budget and battling relegation . . . |
Nottingham Forest paid £5m for Matz Sels
Fulham paid £8m for Bernd Leno.
Brentford paid £11m for Flekken.
Celtic got Kasper Schmeichel on a free.
All 4 are better examples than what we have and they're just off the top of my head.
Leno and Sels were joining newly promoted clubs - one in the summer, one was in January.
They're out there in the European market and they don't cost an arm or a leg. | |
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| Goalkeeper on 13:06 - Jan 28 with 2716 views | baxterbasics |
You are right in that our keeper situation isn't ideal, but it's not necessarily top of the list of improvements to be made. It's not the keepers fault that we barely muster a shot on target, can't get the ball to Delap, or that our defence sometimes look made of swiss cheese. Having a 'top' keeper doesn't fix those problems. Shoring up the team elsewhere will give our current keepers less to worry about. |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 13:09 - Jan 28 with 2687 views | J2BLUE |
Muric should come back in with a clean slate. He was McKenna's choice. What if we sign another keeper and they make a couple of mistakes in their first games? A reasonable number would immediately say he's not up to it and we're back to square one. |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 13:10 - Jan 28 with 2676 views | positivity |
| Goalkeeper on 12:59 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Nottingham Forest paid £5m for Matz Sels
Fulham paid £8m for Bernd Leno.
Brentford paid £11m for Flekken.
Celtic got Kasper Schmeichel on a free.
All 4 are better examples than what we have and they're just off the top of my head.
Leno and Sels were joining newly promoted clubs - one in the summer, one was in January.
They're out there in the European market and they don't cost an arm or a leg. |
unrealistic comparisons (apart from sels, who's improved a lot in his*third* season with the club, more of an argument to keep faith with muric) imo, wages would be a massive problem to ffp and they would've been unlikely to consider a newly promoted side (from league one!), who were heavy relegation favourites.
as for the european market, we're not there yet. we had a hollowed out league one scouting structure and we're only building it up again now, that kind of signing will happen, but i doubt it'll be in this window... | |
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| Goalkeeper on 13:12 - Jan 28 with 2658 views | NedPlimpton |
| Goalkeeper on 12:59 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Nottingham Forest paid £5m for Matz Sels
Fulham paid £8m for Bernd Leno.
Brentford paid £11m for Flekken.
Celtic got Kasper Schmeichel on a free.
All 4 are better examples than what we have and they're just off the top of my head.
Leno and Sels were joining newly promoted clubs - one in the summer, one was in January.
They're out there in the European market and they don't cost an arm or a leg. |
Only Sels from that list was a January signing, so he's the only one that's relevant here
Yes, great signing. If we can find a Sels type for £5m then I'd be surprised if we weren't going for him alongside a load of other clubs!
But finding someone like Sels in January isn't the norm and again, is easier said than done | | | |
| Goalkeeper on 13:15 - Jan 28 with 2621 views | Vic |
| Goalkeeper on 11:13 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
It's easier said than done though to score more goals. We have struggled but we've been fortunate that Delap hit the ground running and Szmodics and Omari have chipped in too.
We don't have many goals after that. A few are on 1 goal, but we're struggling.
There's been games where we've gone 1-0 down and I haven't felt like we will overturn that and win it 2-1. We don't look like a team who will score 2 goals sometimes. We've spent money and added to our forward line, so this may pick up.
I prefer Muric to Walton and if we aren't buying a new keeper, then I'd get him back in and persist, but I don't think he keeps you up. |
I think that it's a bit of a stretch to say that Omari has chipped in - he's got two goals and one assist.
Sure the goalies have cost us a few goals, but I doubt their cost us many points. Our problem is, as others have pointed out, lack of goals and ball retention in the outfield. If we don;t get the ball and keep the ball in the opposition half then we're almost bound to be under more pressure and eventually let goals in.
It;s easy to blame the keeper, but we have been under the cosh for sustained periods this season simply because the outfield players have not quite been at the levels required and because they have fatigued later in games and we haven't had up to standard subs to bring on.
I honestly think you're on a loser trying to blame the keepers. |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 13:31 - Jan 28 with 2528 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Goalkeeper on 11:56 - Jan 28 by Bellevue_Blue |
Maybe if Chelsea with all their many millions are struggling to find an elite goalkeeper then it's not quite as easy as just signing another keeper who is going to magically turn around our fortunes. |
I think, at one point, Chelsea had 11 keepers on their books. So yeah, if they can't find an elite one in that lot then there's not a lot of hope for us! |  |
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| Goalkeeper on 13:33 - Jan 28 with 2531 views | bsw72 |
| Goalkeeper on 12:59 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Nottingham Forest paid £5m for Matz Sels
Fulham paid £8m for Bernd Leno.
Brentford paid £11m for Flekken.
Celtic got Kasper Schmeichel on a free.
All 4 are better examples than what we have and they're just off the top of my head.
Leno and Sels were joining newly promoted clubs - one in the summer, one was in January.
They're out there in the European market and they don't cost an arm or a leg. |
Not answered my question - who is out there now, better than who we have, that we can afford and would be willing to join a club facing a relegation battle who already have 2 keepers fighting over the spot?
You have given examples of where a keeper is joining to become a 1st choice - scenarios for all of those is different - especially Schmeichel who is just after an easier life as he heads towards retirement.
Actually a good example of parity with someone like Muric is Sels who was forced out of Newcastle by fans who blamed him for errors / defeats and has subsequently gone on to prove with the right support he can deliver. [Post edited 28 Jan 13:33]
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| Goalkeeper on 13:35 - Jan 28 with 2512 views | bsw72 |
| Goalkeeper on 11:13 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
It's easier said than done though to score more goals. We have struggled but we've been fortunate that Delap hit the ground running and Szmodics and Omari have chipped in too.
We don't have many goals after that. A few are on 1 goal, but we're struggling.
There's been games where we've gone 1-0 down and I haven't felt like we will overturn that and win it 2-1. We don't look like a team who will score 2 goals sometimes. We've spent money and added to our forward line, so this may pick up.
I prefer Muric to Walton and if we aren't buying a new keeper, then I'd get him back in and persist, but I don't think he keeps you up. |
So it's easier said than done to score more goals, but signing a prem quality keeper who is an improvement over what we have is not? Hmmmm, interesting. | | | |
| Goalkeeper on 13:42 - Jan 28 with 2490 views | bsw72 |
| Goalkeeper on 13:09 - Jan 28 by J2BLUE |
Muric should come back in with a clean slate. He was McKenna's choice. What if we sign another keeper and they make a couple of mistakes in their first games? A reasonable number would immediately say he's not up to it and we're back to square one. |
To be fair he always starts with a clean sheet, it's more where he finishes that can be the issue.
I apologise, and will be geting my coat. | | | |
| Goalkeeper on 14:23 - Jan 28 with 2391 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Goalkeeper on 12:59 - Jan 28 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Nottingham Forest paid £5m for Matz Sels
Fulham paid £8m for Bernd Leno.
Brentford paid £11m for Flekken.
Celtic got Kasper Schmeichel on a free.
All 4 are better examples than what we have and they're just off the top of my head.
Leno and Sels were joining newly promoted clubs - one in the summer, one was in January.
They're out there in the European market and they don't cost an arm or a leg. |
You are forgetting a small thing.
The player has to want to come to Ipswich.
The fees might be affordable, but if the player doesn't want to come then you can't sign them and there's absolutely no way we'd have got those guys over Forest, Brentford, and Fulham (3 established Premier League sides) and Celtic, who will guarantee Kasper Champions League football for the remainder of his career (see Joe Hart).
We don't have that sort of pull in this league. [Post edited 28 Jan 14:24]
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