| After all said and done 17:06 - Apr 26 with 2661 views | ITFC_84 |
We are all over the place. Let’s be honest.
We have some really stupid players, making awful decisions week in, week out.
We have a discipline problem.
We have an injury crisis.
Personally, I think the squad needs real surgery over the summer. |  | | |  |
| After all said and done on 17:10 - Apr 26 with 2582 views | TractorWood |
I think our squad is pretty meagre given the outlay but I also am not underestimating how poor the championship is.
Playoffs is my prediction. Then steady lowering of standards over a few years back to mid table mediocrity, where we ultimately have been for the majority of the last 20 years.
The cycle then completes itself. [Post edited 26 Apr 17:14]
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| After all said and done on 17:17 - Apr 26 with 2470 views | ITFC_84 |
| After all said and done on 17:10 - Apr 26 by TractorWood |
I think our squad is pretty meagre given the outlay but I also am not underestimating how poor the championship is.
Playoffs is my prediction. Then steady lowering of standards over a few years back to mid table mediocrity, where we ultimately have been for the majority of the last 20 years.
The cycle then completes itself. [Post edited 26 Apr 17:14]
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I’m not sure about that.
Keeping McKenna is massive. Hopefully he sees the open heart surgery needed on our CM and the need for another decent striker or two.
We SHOULD be real favourites to go straight back up next season. This being said, we do have some
Players that need to take a long hard look at themselves, because it hasn’t been good enough | | | |
| After all said and done on 17:25 - Apr 26 with 2417 views | Nutkins_Return |
| After all said and done on 17:10 - Apr 26 by TractorWood |
I think our squad is pretty meagre given the outlay but I also am not underestimating how poor the championship is.
Playoffs is my prediction. Then steady lowering of standards over a few years back to mid table mediocrity, where we ultimately have been for the majority of the last 20 years.
The cycle then completes itself. [Post edited 26 Apr 17:14]
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The championship isn't poor at all. It's a really good level. The premier league is just an outstanding level and the best in the world in terms of quality throughout the division. Pretty much the top 15 can all compete in European competitions and do well (look where Man Utd and Spurs are in the league and haven't struggled in Europe). It's never had more money and never been so strong.
We have a decent squad but we simply can't afford to be hit with so many unavailable. We could compete in this league if we had better fortune on that front. Staying up still would have been a massive challenge.
We have a good shot next year so so well. | |
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| After all said and done on 17:29 - Apr 26 with 2378 views | Axeldalai_lama |
People are mad.
We're all over the place because of an injury crisis and, yes, a couple of stupid sendings off, in the best league int he world against some of the richest and best teams in the world.
I get being annoyed, disappointed, upset, let it all out. But we still have an absolute embarrassment of riches for next season. Yes some may leave, but we'll have existing money and the sales fees to spend then.
Does anyone seriously think we'll struggle with Hutch, Szmodic, Chappers, Philogene, Clarke, Broadhead, Hirst, Ogbene, Burns, going forward, and O'Shea, Greaves, Burgess, Woolf, Davis, Townsend, Johnson, Clarke at the back??
But of a refresh and we'll be ready to go against the might of Oxford Millwall Preston Stoke Luton etc etc.(taking nothing for granted, but come on?! |  | | |
| After all said and done on 18:22 - Apr 26 with 2192 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| After all said and done on 17:29 - Apr 26 by Axeldalai_lama |
People are mad.
We're all over the place because of an injury crisis and, yes, a couple of stupid sendings off, in the best league int he world against some of the richest and best teams in the world.
I get being annoyed, disappointed, upset, let it all out. But we still have an absolute embarrassment of riches for next season. Yes some may leave, but we'll have existing money and the sales fees to spend then.
Does anyone seriously think we'll struggle with Hutch, Szmodic, Chappers, Philogene, Clarke, Broadhead, Hirst, Ogbene, Burns, going forward, and O'Shea, Greaves, Burgess, Woolf, Davis, Townsend, Johnson, Clarke at the back??
But of a refresh and we'll be ready to go against the might of Oxford Millwall Preston Stoke Luton etc etc.(taking nothing for granted, but come on?! |
I get that people are sad/angry/frustrated, but I still can't quite fathom how anyone thought it would be anything other than an impossible feat to stay up. Let's just take stock and see how far we've come since the dark days, and be grateful for the highs of L1/Champ promotion, and accept that neither of the other two promoted teams could manage better than we did, despite parachute payments and supposedly better equipped squads.
I'm bloody proud of our team. |  | | |
| After all said and done on 18:36 - Apr 26 with 2118 views | billlm |
I'm worried for our identity we haven't got one, we're getting battered by better teams and officials now, hope the rot dosent set in,
To many injuries have done us and not seeing out a few matches when in front, |  | | |
| After all said and done on 18:49 - Apr 26 with 2046 views | MattinLondon |
| After all said and done on 17:10 - Apr 26 by TractorWood |
I think our squad is pretty meagre given the outlay but I also am not underestimating how poor the championship is.
Playoffs is my prediction. Then steady lowering of standards over a few years back to mid table mediocrity, where we ultimately have been for the majority of the last 20 years.
The cycle then completes itself. [Post edited 26 Apr 17:14]
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Automatic promotion next season. |  | | |
| After all said and done on 19:07 - Apr 26 with 1958 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| After all said and done on 17:10 - Apr 26 by TractorWood |
I think our squad is pretty meagre given the outlay but I also am not underestimating how poor the championship is.
Playoffs is my prediction. Then steady lowering of standards over a few years back to mid table mediocrity, where we ultimately have been for the majority of the last 20 years.
The cycle then completes itself. [Post edited 26 Apr 17:14]
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Wow. Very morose. Hope your evening gets better. X | | | |
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| After all said and done on 19:29 - Apr 26 with 1894 views | TractorWood |
| After all said and done on 19:07 - Apr 26 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Wow. Very morose. Hope your evening gets better. X |
It's an unpopular opinion no doubt. However, it's my honest opinion. | |
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| After all said and done on 17:08 - Apr 27 with 1432 views | Nutkins_Return |
| After all said and done on 19:29 - Apr 26 by TractorWood |
It's an unpopular opinion no doubt. However, it's my honest opinion. |
Which is fine but it's pretty baseless. Not impossible of course but there is nothing to suggest our very ambitious owners won't continue to back us to let that happen.
We've had nothing but incredible backing since they came in. The fact the most likely outcome happened this season doesn't point towards your opinion being likely in any way shape or form. It's an opinion based on worry/concern and not evidence. But everyone is entitled to an opinion. Hope you are wrong ;) | |
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| After all said and done on 17:39 - Apr 27 with 1298 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| After all said and done on 17:10 - Apr 26 by TractorWood |
I think our squad is pretty meagre given the outlay but I also am not underestimating how poor the championship is.
Playoffs is my prediction. Then steady lowering of standards over a few years back to mid table mediocrity, where we ultimately have been for the majority of the last 20 years.
The cycle then completes itself. [Post edited 26 Apr 17:14]
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This post feels like (hopefully) a kneejerk reaction to a disappointing season, in which we were never competing on a level playing field; because your assertion just doesn't seem to align with any reality of how the club has, and is still, improving - and will continue to over the coming years.
When we return to the Premier League (with everything aligning well, hopefully next year), we will be better prepared, and have levelled the playing field a little more than for this season. Will be be enough? Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but it will be progress- and with the backing of the owners the club will continue to progress. | | | |
| After all said and done on 05:18 - Apr 29 with 796 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Your post is all over the place. |  |
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| After all said and done on 06:18 - Apr 29 with 725 views | franz_tyson |
| After all said and done on 18:22 - Apr 26 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I get that people are sad/angry/frustrated, but I still can't quite fathom how anyone thought it would be anything other than an impossible feat to stay up. Let's just take stock and see how far we've come since the dark days, and be grateful for the highs of L1/Champ promotion, and accept that neither of the other two promoted teams could manage better than we did, despite parachute payments and supposedly better equipped squads.
I'm bloody proud of our team. |
Are you on the wind up? Of course its not impossible if you can spend 150 million quid on players. It would still be tough... but every game starts 0-0, 11 vs 11and if you can do the basics right you can stay in games much longer and hold onto the points later in the game.
It's a tough gig, but I think we could have made a better fist of it ( and still be relegated)... but we shouldn't applaud and chest-beat under-performance. I'm hoping Mckenna understands where we went wrong and is able to learn from this experience. If we keep on telling ourselves we did great when we didn't... we learn nothing. | | | |
| After all said and done on 07:21 - Apr 29 with 600 views | Churchman |
| After all said and done on 06:18 - Apr 29 by franz_tyson |
Are you on the wind up? Of course its not impossible if you can spend 150 million quid on players. It would still be tough... but every game starts 0-0, 11 vs 11and if you can do the basics right you can stay in games much longer and hold onto the points later in the game.
It's a tough gig, but I think we could have made a better fist of it ( and still be relegated)... but we shouldn't applaud and chest-beat under-performance. I'm hoping Mckenna understands where we went wrong and is able to learn from this experience. If we keep on telling ourselves we did great when we didn't... we learn nothing. |
Who should we have bought that would have come here for less and would have done better? I get that we should have had an international scouting network across the globe and in the U.K., possibly universe, but we didn’t any more than we had Premier League training facilities. The reasons for this are obvious and have been often repeated.
In what way did they ‘not do the basics right’? I also fail to see what 0-0 at the start has to do with anything. Did the players try? Did they ‘leave it out there’, to use that old cliche? They did, then they deserve applause for their effort.
Nobody is saying ‘we did great’. Nobody is saying mistakes weren't made. Nobody is saying this season has not been an immense disappointment. We were also cruelly exposed by better teams and better players.
In my view, where you fail to learn is by applying endless baseless criticism and overly focussing on negatives such as claiming players could stay in the game longer. My guess is they wanted to hold on for those wins and points but weren’t able to. Bad coaching? Lack of fitness? Overdone pre-season? Poor tactics? I don’t know. I’m sure the Gameboy brigade have the answer.
I think the main, often ignored, reason was because the opposition had something to say about it. We got well and truly worked out after Christmas as often happens with promoted sides.
The trick is to look at / analyse all elements of what we did and context. So why did we fall away in the second half of games for example; the complete opposite to the last two seasons? Why so many injuries? Did we get our midfield recruitment right? Of course not. Why? How could we have done it better? What is it ‘target’ clubs like Wolves, Palace, Fulham etc did better?
Blame is easy. Singling out, bullying, finger pointing, general sweeping statements - all easy and sort of warming if you are of that nature and enjoy dishing it out. Some people do. I do not, because it doesn’t get you anywhere.
What does get you somewhere is taking the pasting we’ve had, learning what we can do better and getting on and doing it. Relentless hard work to improve. The prerequisite is everyone pulling in the same direction. If you have that it’s amazing how things come together and what you can do in any walk of life.
On the final day, I’ll give the players a round of applause. They’ve tried; given their best. But my expectation is that the club throughout from Bluey to the tea lady will learn and be better next time. They’re my minimum requirements and if that makes me a happy clapper, fine. [Post edited 29 Apr 9:50]
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| After all said and done on 07:25 - Apr 29 with 581 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| After all said and done on 06:18 - Apr 29 by franz_tyson |
Are you on the wind up? Of course its not impossible if you can spend 150 million quid on players. It would still be tough... but every game starts 0-0, 11 vs 11and if you can do the basics right you can stay in games much longer and hold onto the points later in the game.
It's a tough gig, but I think we could have made a better fist of it ( and still be relegated)... but we shouldn't applaud and chest-beat under-performance. I'm hoping Mckenna understands where we went wrong and is able to learn from this experience. If we keep on telling ourselves we did great when we didn't... we learn nothing. |
I think it's you who's on the wind-up, or you don't understand how big a leap League 1 to the Prem is, never mind Championship to the Prem.
Obviously nothing is impossible but our jump was very close to it. It would've been a modern day miracle if the club could've brought in the exact right players to keep us up, while still fielding several players who played in League 1. Other than Muric I don't think there's a single signing I was even wary of let alone disagreed with. But to massively change your team, get it gelling and then get it winning enough points in the best league in the world, against teams with years of experience (and money, and world class squads), from our starting point - yes it was close to impossible.
We got promoted too quickly to compete, but we take the money and the better players we now have, and we go again. I find it hard to believe any manager, or any club, could do better than we did from our starting point. In fact we did better than Leicester and Southampton despite their better squads, more money and years of Prem experience, if you want any proof.
A few of our fans are ungrateful, unrealistic, and frankly spoilt. | |
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| After all said and done on 08:58 - Apr 29 with 448 views | bluefunk |
| After all said and done on 07:21 - Apr 29 by Churchman |
Who should we have bought that would have come here for less and would have done better? I get that we should have had an international scouting network across the globe and in the U.K., possibly universe, but we didn’t any more than we had Premier League training facilities. The reasons for this are obvious and have been often repeated.
In what way did they ‘not do the basics right’? I also fail to see what 0-0 at the start has to do with anything. Did the players try? Did they ‘leave it out there’, to use that old cliche? They did, then they deserve applause for their effort.
Nobody is saying ‘we did great’. Nobody is saying mistakes weren't made. Nobody is saying this season has not been an immense disappointment. We were also cruelly exposed by better teams and better players.
In my view, where you fail to learn is by applying endless baseless criticism and overly focussing on negatives such as claiming players could stay in the game longer. My guess is they wanted to hold on for those wins and points but weren’t able to. Bad coaching? Lack of fitness? Overdone pre-season? Poor tactics? I don’t know. I’m sure the Gameboy brigade have the answer.
I think the main, often ignored, reason was because the opposition had something to say about it. We got well and truly worked out after Christmas as often happens with promoted sides.
The trick is to look at / analyse all elements of what we did and context. So why did we fall away in the second half of games for example; the complete opposite to the last two seasons? Why so many injuries? Did we get our midfield recruitment right? Of course not. Why? How could we have done it better? What is it ‘target’ clubs like Wolves, Palace, Fulham etc did better?
Blame is easy. Singling out, bullying, finger pointing, general sweeping statements - all easy and sort of warming if you are of that nature and enjoy dishing it out. Some people do. I do not, because it doesn’t get you anywhere.
What does get you somewhere is taking the pasting we’ve had, learning what we can do better and getting on and doing it. Relentless hard work to improve. The prerequisite is everyone pulling in the same direction. If you have that it’s amazing how things come together and what you can do in any walk of life.
On the final day, I’ll give the players a round of applause. They’ve tried; given their best. But my expectation is that the club throughout from Bluey to the tea lady will learn and be better next time. They’re my minimum requirements and if that makes me a happy clapper, fine. [Post edited 29 Apr 9:50]
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