| Streeting's PPS just resigned 18:04 - May 11 with 5199 views | GlasgowBlue |
Leadership bid incoming. |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:06 - May 11 with 2600 views | Herbivore |
Need to call a GE if Streeting gets in, the country didn't vote for a Tory PM in 2024. |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:07 - May 11 with 2577 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:06 - May 11 by Herbivore |
Need to call a GE if Streeting gets in, the country didn't vote for a Tory PM in 2024. |
Probably the most working class member of the labour cabinet. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:08 - May 11 with 2563 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:07 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Probably the most working class member of the labour cabinet. |
There is such a thing as working class Tories, mate. Weird I know. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:13 - May 11 with 2531 views | SitfcB |
The whole charade is becoming boring.
A PM, seemingly popular, gets voted in and then a little bit later down the line controversy always comes out and they want a new one, people and MPs.
Repeat and do it again every year or so.
What’s the point. |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:14 - May 11 with 2501 views | NthQldITFC |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:07 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Probably the most working class member of the labour cabinet. |
In origin perhaps, but not in political alignment now! |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:14 - May 11 with 2502 views | GlasgowBlue |
61 MP's calling for Starmer to go. Need 19 more. Streeting has to move early in order to stop Burnham. Thos who want Burnham will want Starmer to set an exit date to give their man time to get in the HOC. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:15 - May 11 with 2486 views | DarkBrandon |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:07 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Probably the most working class member of the labour cabinet. |
Absolutely. Starmer too is from a very humble background. |  | | |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:16 - May 11 with 2482 views | DarkBrandon |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:14 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
61 MP's calling for Starmer to go. Need 19 more. Streeting has to move early in order to stop Burnham. Thos who want Burnham will want Starmer to set an exit date to give their man time to get in the HOC. |
Why 19? | | | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:17 - May 11 with 2447 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:14 - May 11 by NthQldITFC |
In origin perhaps, but not in political alignment now! |
It always amuses me that people like Streeting and Alan Johnson, who were born into abject poverty set aside dogma in order to improve the lives of the less well off. Whilst the middle class Islington set who know nothing of real poverty are the zealots who put dogma above solutions. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:17 - May 11 with 2437 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:16 - May 11 by DarkBrandon |
Why 19? |
They need 80.
edit. My mistake. They need 81, so 20 to go. [Post edited 11 May 18:19]
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:20 - May 11 with 2416 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:13 - May 11 by SitfcB |
The whole charade is becoming boring.
A PM, seemingly popular, gets voted in and then a little bit later down the line controversy always comes out and they want a new one, people and MPs.
Repeat and do it again every year or so.
What’s the point. |
This is a very sensible post, Sitters. I'm no Starmer fan by any means but we've got to stop changing PMs every 18 months. If Starmer goes then in the last decade we'll have had 7 different PMs and those PMs will span a period of just 16 years in total (and 7 of those years were taken up by David fecking Cameron). The 7 PMs prior to that span a period of 50 years going all the way back to Ted Heath. It's nae normal as Dope Paul III would say. You can't get anything done when you're changing leaders this regularly. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:21 - May 11 with 2398 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:17 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It always amuses me that people like Streeting and Alan Johnson, who were born into abject poverty set aside dogma in order to improve the lives of the less well off. Whilst the middle class Islington set who know nothing of real poverty are the zealots who put dogma above solutions. |
This is a desperately poor level of political discourse, Glassers. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:22 - May 11 with 2383 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:21 - May 11 by Herbivore |
This is a desperately poor level of political discourse, Glassers. |
Not wrong though am I? | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:23 - May 11 with 2379 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:13 - May 11 by SitfcB |
The whole charade is becoming boring.
A PM, seemingly popular, gets voted in and then a little bit later down the line controversy always comes out and they want a new one, people and MPs.
Repeat and do it again every year or so.
What’s the point. |
It's boring and destabilising. People are just impatient. |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:25 - May 11 with 2334 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:13 - May 11 by SitfcB |
The whole charade is becoming boring.
A PM, seemingly popular, gets voted in and then a little bit later down the line controversy always comes out and they want a new one, people and MPs.
Repeat and do it again every year or so.
What’s the point. |
Can I sign another one up for @narcho syndicalism then Sitters? |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:25 - May 11 with 2348 views | SitfcB |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:20 - May 11 by Herbivore |
This is a very sensible post, Sitters. I'm no Starmer fan by any means but we've got to stop changing PMs every 18 months. If Starmer goes then in the last decade we'll have had 7 different PMs and those PMs will span a period of just 16 years in total (and 7 of those years were taken up by David fecking Cameron). The 7 PMs prior to that span a period of 50 years going all the way back to Ted Heath. It's nae normal as Dope Paul III would say. You can't get anything done when you're changing leaders this regularly. |
It’s like the Watford managers job ffs.
I appreciate not everyone will like whoever is elected, that’s natural, but can’t keep calling for their heads every ten minutes. I suppose that’s society these days though, if the person you don’t like is in then you want them out asap, again can refer to a football manager.
Labour won the election by a landslide didn’t they? And ever since all I’ve seen is hate for Starmer. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:29 - May 11 with 2308 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:22 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Not wrong though am I? |
Yes, you are. Whenever anyone disagrees with Streeting's politics you always desperately make it about social class. Nobody else is wanging on about his upbringing and the political differences people have with him are nothing to do with his background. It is, frankly, a pathetic attempt to stifle legitimate disagreement with his politics. No offence, but when a lifelong Tory is a supporter of his it's not much of a stretch to think that people on the left might not be keen because of his politics rather than because of his background. Try dragging your discourse up from the gutter for a bit, yeah? | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:30 - May 11 with 2281 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:14 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
61 MP's calling for Starmer to go. Need 19 more. Streeting has to move early in order to stop Burnham. Thos who want Burnham will want Starmer to set an exit date to give their man time to get in the HOC. |
As a Labour voter out of necessity but not historically, who do you think would be better? Streeting or Burnham? I’ve never warmed to Streeting but have no idea what his vision for the Party would be. Burnham seems more genuine and seems to be delivering in Manchester, but again I’m not au fait with his vision.
Obviously I’m aware it’s left v right of the Party, but that doesn’t matter to me. I just want them to have a leader with the clear vision and the good judgement needed to inject a bit of hope back into the population and get the country back on its feet. |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:31 - May 11 with 2271 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:29 - May 11 by Herbivore |
Yes, you are. Whenever anyone disagrees with Streeting's politics you always desperately make it about social class. Nobody else is wanging on about his upbringing and the political differences people have with him are nothing to do with his background. It is, frankly, a pathetic attempt to stifle legitimate disagreement with his politics. No offence, but when a lifelong Tory is a supporter of his it's not much of a stretch to think that people on the left might not be keen because of his politics rather than because of his background. Try dragging your discourse up from the gutter for a bit, yeah? |
You've completely ignored the point I made.
Anyway, I don't have a vote in this. My wife, as a Labour Party member does though. [Post edited 11 May 18:32]
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:33 - May 11 with 2254 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:25 - May 11 by SitfcB |
It’s like the Watford managers job ffs.
I appreciate not everyone will like whoever is elected, that’s natural, but can’t keep calling for their heads every ten minutes. I suppose that’s society these days though, if the person you don’t like is in then you want them out asap, again can refer to a football manager.
Labour won the election by a landslide didn’t they? And ever since all I’ve seen is hate for Starmer. |
The problem for Labour was they won a landslide in terms of seats but not votes, so they've never been genuinely popular. And in trying to appease Reform voters, Starmer has alienated his natural support but not won over anyone that he's been trying to win over.
That said, even as someone who doesn't rate Starmer we have to move away from the ridiculousness of having a managerial merry-go-round of PMs. It's not conducive to the country ever making any positive progress. I mentioned the footballification of politics on another thread the other day (think the thread got binned) but it's been incredibly damaging. Supporting a political party is not and should not be like supporting a football team. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:35 - May 11 with 2234 views | redrickstuhaart |
A really unimpressive individual imo. His electoral prospects seem no better than starmers |  |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:36 - May 11 with 2231 views | Herbivore |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:31 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
You've completely ignored the point I made.
Anyway, I don't have a vote in this. My wife, as a Labour Party member does though. [Post edited 11 May 18:32]
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The point you made wasn't really worth a response given your attempts to make it all about class. You make the underlying assumption that a more social democratic politics is somehow unattainable and for the birds even though it's worked well as a model elsewhere. You don't have to basically be a soft Tory in order to get anything done, that's a very narrow idea of what it means to be pragmatic. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:37 - May 11 with 2222 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:30 - May 11 by Swansea_Blue |
As a Labour voter out of necessity but not historically, who do you think would be better? Streeting or Burnham? I’ve never warmed to Streeting but have no idea what his vision for the Party would be. Burnham seems more genuine and seems to be delivering in Manchester, but again I’m not au fait with his vision.
Obviously I’m aware it’s left v right of the Party, but that doesn’t matter to me. I just want them to have a leader with the clear vision and the good judgement needed to inject a bit of hope back into the population and get the country back on its feet. |
Well Burnham is the only health secretary to ever privatise an NHS hospital so he isn't afraid to make unpopular decisions if he thinks they are right. That says, he seems to have reinvented himself since becoming Mayor so who knows whet he believes now.
I like Streeting I think he is the most statesmanlike. Whoever wins needs to get Angela Rayner back in the cabinet to unite the labour party.
That is just my opinion as somebody who has only been voting Labour for the past 5 years. | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:37 - May 11 with 2214 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:25 - May 11 by SitfcB |
It’s like the Watford managers job ffs.
I appreciate not everyone will like whoever is elected, that’s natural, but can’t keep calling for their heads every ten minutes. I suppose that’s society these days though, if the person you don’t like is in then you want them out asap, again can refer to a football manager.
Labour won the election by a landslide didn’t they? And ever since all I’ve seen is hate for Starmer. |
It’s getting that way. Have the Pozzo Family got a political leader on their books we could borrow?  | |
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| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:41 - May 11 with 2154 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Streeting's PPS just resigned on 18:37 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Well Burnham is the only health secretary to ever privatise an NHS hospital so he isn't afraid to make unpopular decisions if he thinks they are right. That says, he seems to have reinvented himself since becoming Mayor so who knows whet he believes now.
I like Streeting I think he is the most statesmanlike. Whoever wins needs to get Angela Rayner back in the cabinet to unite the labour party.
That is just my opinion as somebody who has only been voting Labour for the past 5 years. |
Thanks. I do like Rayner. I know she made a mistake, but it did look like just a mistake to me. She’s another one who seems to genuinely care about people and we need a lot more of that (imo).
Oh well, I’ve got no say in all this either so will just get the popcorn out. | |
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