| Such a shame 18:34 - Feb 8 with 6759 views | pickles110564 |
Votes going against the remoaners |  | | |  |
| Such a shame on 22:46 - Feb 8 with 1337 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 21:56 - Feb 8 by connorscontract |
Ok, let's all get on and build a fairer, kinder, better Britain. Your lot can start by not outsourcing massive public sector contracts to companies that Cabinet ministers' families have a financial interest in.
And then they can release proceeds of Council House sales and allow Councils to build houses again to help the housing crisis.
And then they can actually do something about the complete breakdown of mental health services in many parts of the country.
And I'll back them all the way with all 3 policies. |
We don't live in a one party state. Vote 'em out. Vote for an alternative. |  |
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| Such a shame on 22:48 - Feb 8 with 1332 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 20:11 - Feb 8 by GunnsAirkick |
Some pretty sensible amendments being thrown out, the EU Nationals one being pretty shameful I have to say.
My local MP Clive Lewis has just resigned, I think Corbyn is toast after this. |
An amendment free bill makes it harder for the Lords to vote against.
As for Corbyn? He'll be gone by April fools day. Sadly. | |
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| Such a shame on 22:58 - Feb 8 with 1311 views | connorscontract |
| Such a shame on 22:46 - Feb 8 by GlasgowBlue |
We don't live in a one party state. Vote 'em out. Vote for an alternative. |
Oh, sorry, I thought you wanted us all to work together now for a better Britain. I was just offering some helpful pointers for ways forward.
But, yes, I intend to. But I expect it to be in vain.
You know the G4S and Serco situation absolutely sucks and that no previous Tory administration would have tolerated it. Taking the p!ss out of the well-meaning NUT Rep Geography teacher who somehow became Leader of the Opposition might give you kicks, but deep down, you're dying inside, right? Cameron turned your party LEADERSHIP into a load of opportunist spivs.
Much as I have a distaste for Thatcher I don't believe for one moment that she was ever motivated by personal gain, and no minister would have got within a million miles of stitching up contracts and steering policy in a direction that smacks of conflict of interest.
It's SO grubby. You Tories need a wash.
And yet Corbyn can't land a single punch... *SIGH* |  | | |
| Such a shame on 23:03 - Feb 8 with 1299 views | Vic |
| Such a shame on 19:01 - Feb 8 by Herbivore |
The young mainly wanted to stay in Europe. |
I think that's his point! |  |
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| Such a shame on 23:14 - Feb 8 with 1283 views | Ryorry |
| Such a shame on 22:58 - Feb 8 by connorscontract |
Oh, sorry, I thought you wanted us all to work together now for a better Britain. I was just offering some helpful pointers for ways forward.
But, yes, I intend to. But I expect it to be in vain.
You know the G4S and Serco situation absolutely sucks and that no previous Tory administration would have tolerated it. Taking the p!ss out of the well-meaning NUT Rep Geography teacher who somehow became Leader of the Opposition might give you kicks, but deep down, you're dying inside, right? Cameron turned your party LEADERSHIP into a load of opportunist spivs.
Much as I have a distaste for Thatcher I don't believe for one moment that she was ever motivated by personal gain, and no minister would have got within a million miles of stitching up contracts and steering policy in a direction that smacks of conflict of interest.
It's SO grubby. You Tories need a wash.
And yet Corbyn can't land a single punch... *SIGH* |
Well bloody said. |  |
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| Such a shame on 23:21 - Feb 8 with 1269 views | Ryorry |
| Such a shame on 20:01 - Feb 8 by LankHenners |
There was a poll at the time that suggested younger people didn't turn up in much numbers to vote, but I'm pretty sure that was later rubbished. |
Correction to my earlier post I guess! but the best answer seems to be that there aren't any fully, verifiably accurate polls -
https://fullfact.org/europe/young-voters-and-eu-referendum/ | |
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| Such a shame on 23:29 - Feb 8 with 1266 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Such a shame on 20:11 - Feb 8 by GunnsAirkick |
Some pretty sensible amendments being thrown out, the EU Nationals one being pretty shameful I have to say.
My local MP Clive Lewis has just resigned, I think Corbyn is toast after this. |
Just looked and he's 5/1 favourite to be next labour leader.....well worth a punt ! |  |
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| Such a shame on 23:54 - Feb 8 with 1247 views | feelingblue |
| Such a shame on 19:24 - Feb 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Can we not move on from this? We all have to get on to make the country work post Brexit. |
I don't think that we will.
This was the most divisive (and idiotic, in its inception and motivation) vote of my lifetime. It will haunt us for at least a generation, probably more.
It was not like a general election, a change for 5 years.
Leaving aside the economic argument, and no-one has ever come up with a realistic economic argument for leaving, even the comparatively balanced David Davies, it was a choice of cultural and political values which will not go away.
The whole issue never rated above 9 in voter concerns, and had it not been for the press and internal Tory politics, there would never have been a referendum.
The bitterness will not go away. |  | | |
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| Such a shame on 23:59 - Feb 8 with 1239 views | Ryorry |
| Such a shame on 23:54 - Feb 8 by feelingblue |
I don't think that we will.
This was the most divisive (and idiotic, in its inception and motivation) vote of my lifetime. It will haunt us for at least a generation, probably more.
It was not like a general election, a change for 5 years.
Leaving aside the economic argument, and no-one has ever come up with a realistic economic argument for leaving, even the comparatively balanced David Davies, it was a choice of cultural and political values which will not go away.
The whole issue never rated above 9 in voter concerns, and had it not been for the press and internal Tory politics, there would never have been a referendum.
The bitterness will not go away. |
In other words, the feckin Tories screwed us and the UK over just to get themselves out of their own sh!t.
Guess I'm not gonna be flavour of Glassers' month now ;) | |
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| Such a shame on 00:21 - Feb 9 with 1212 views | connorscontract |
| Such a shame on 23:54 - Feb 8 by feelingblue |
I don't think that we will.
This was the most divisive (and idiotic, in its inception and motivation) vote of my lifetime. It will haunt us for at least a generation, probably more.
It was not like a general election, a change for 5 years.
Leaving aside the economic argument, and no-one has ever come up with a realistic economic argument for leaving, even the comparatively balanced David Davies, it was a choice of cultural and political values which will not go away.
The whole issue never rated above 9 in voter concerns, and had it not been for the press and internal Tory politics, there would never have been a referendum.
The bitterness will not go away. |
Absolutely.
Questions for Glasgow:
1) Was the Referendum a vote about leaving the European Union or the EEA?
I believe it asked me whether I wanted Britain to remain in or leave the EU, the political union, and asked nothing about the Economic Area. As such it gives a (pitifully, divisively narrow) mandate to leave the EU, but no mandate to leave the EEA. As such Parliament should be sovereign in deciding whether or not we leave the EEA, or it should go to another Referendum. May's "Brexit means Brexit" and determination to push a Full, Hard Brexit out of both the EU and the EEA is not compatible with our Parliamentary democracy.
2) Does May have a mandate to pull us out of the EEA without a full and proper Parliamentary process? | | | |
| Such a shame on 07:39 - Feb 9 with 1138 views | BlueBadger |
| Such a shame on 22:46 - Feb 8 by GlasgowBlue |
We don't live in a one party state. Vote 'em out. Vote for an alternative. |
Could you not get behind your country? |  |
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| Such a shame on 07:48 - Feb 9 with 1134 views | Swn98 |
Don't know why every body gets worked up the Greek domino is about to fall which will precipitate the fall of the European union. | | | |
| Such a shame on 08:03 - Feb 9 with 1120 views | feelingblue |
| Such a shame on 07:48 - Feb 9 by Swn98 |
Don't know why every body gets worked up the Greek domino is about to fall which will precipitate the fall of the European union. |
Yes, that would be great wouldn't it?
To have most of our major export markets thrown into turmoil - just what we need. | | | |
| Such a shame on 08:13 - Feb 9 with 1097 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 22:58 - Feb 8 by connorscontract |
Oh, sorry, I thought you wanted us all to work together now for a better Britain. I was just offering some helpful pointers for ways forward.
But, yes, I intend to. But I expect it to be in vain.
You know the G4S and Serco situation absolutely sucks and that no previous Tory administration would have tolerated it. Taking the p!ss out of the well-meaning NUT Rep Geography teacher who somehow became Leader of the Opposition might give you kicks, but deep down, you're dying inside, right? Cameron turned your party LEADERSHIP into a load of opportunist spivs.
Much as I have a distaste for Thatcher I don't believe for one moment that she was ever motivated by personal gain, and no minister would have got within a million miles of stitching up contracts and steering policy in a direction that smacks of conflict of interest.
It's SO grubby. You Tories need a wash.
And yet Corbyn can't land a single punch... *SIGH* |
Again you are going off piste. This was a discussion abou point scoring over the results of the referendum, I simply stated that instead of name calling, that remainders and brexiters worked together for our future outside of the EU.
You seem to want to make this a party political debate.
I will add that you often make some reasonable points but let yourself down with ridiculous comments such as "YOU Tories need a wash"
I don't need a lecture from you thanks. | |
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| Such a shame on 08:14 - Feb 9 with 1096 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 23:14 - Feb 8 by Ryorry |
Well bloody said. |
You like sweeping generalisations don't you R? You are very Corbynesque. Lots of name calling but never offering a solution. | |
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| Such a shame on 08:17 - Feb 9 with 1089 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 23:54 - Feb 8 by feelingblue |
I don't think that we will.
This was the most divisive (and idiotic, in its inception and motivation) vote of my lifetime. It will haunt us for at least a generation, probably more.
It was not like a general election, a change for 5 years.
Leaving aside the economic argument, and no-one has ever come up with a realistic economic argument for leaving, even the comparatively balanced David Davies, it was a choice of cultural and political values which will not go away.
The whole issue never rated above 9 in voter concerns, and had it not been for the press and internal Tory politics, there would never have been a referendum.
The bitterness will not go away. |
That's the spirit. | |
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| Such a shame on 08:23 - Feb 9 with 1074 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 00:21 - Feb 9 by connorscontract |
Absolutely.
Questions for Glasgow:
1) Was the Referendum a vote about leaving the European Union or the EEA?
I believe it asked me whether I wanted Britain to remain in or leave the EU, the political union, and asked nothing about the Economic Area. As such it gives a (pitifully, divisively narrow) mandate to leave the EU, but no mandate to leave the EEA. As such Parliament should be sovereign in deciding whether or not we leave the EEA, or it should go to another Referendum. May's "Brexit means Brexit" and determination to push a Full, Hard Brexit out of both the EU and the EEA is not compatible with our Parliamentary democracy.
2) Does May have a mandate to pull us out of the EEA without a full and proper Parliamentary process? |
We've done this like dozens of times before.. Both sides made it clear that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market.
It's groundhog day on here and unfortunately continually asking the same questions and raising the same points that have been answered before is the very reason that the op is calling some remainders names. | |
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| Such a shame on 08:26 - Feb 9 with 1064 views | Benters |
| Such a shame on 19:24 - Feb 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Can we not move on from this? We all have to get on to make the country work post Brexit. |
Thats the ticket ,sadly the inners want to see the country fail now just to prove they were right !
Rule Britannia ! |  |
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| Such a shame on 08:26 - Feb 9 with 1064 views | vapour_trail |
| Such a shame on 08:23 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
We've done this like dozens of times before.. Both sides made it clear that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market.
It's groundhog day on here and unfortunately continually asking the same questions and raising the same points that have been answered before is the very reason that the op is calling some remainders names. |
Don't go justifying the op. |  |
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| Such a shame on 08:33 - Feb 9 with 1056 views | gordon |
| Such a shame on 08:26 - Feb 9 by Benters |
Thats the ticket ,sadly the inners want to see the country fail now just to prove they were right !
Rule Britannia ! |
It would appear that some of the 'outers' what the whole of Europe to fail, just to prove that they were right. Which would then result in Britain failing, anyway. |  | | |
| Such a shame on 08:55 - Feb 9 with 1023 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 23:59 - Feb 8 by Ryorry |
In other words, the feckin Tories screwed us and the UK over just to get themselves out of their own sh!t.
Guess I'm not gonna be flavour of Glassers' month now ;) |
Ryory. As your political contributions are straight out of the Ladybird guide to politics for ages 3-5 there isn't anything you can say that would make me fall out with you.
I simply sigh, think bless, then move on. | |
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| Such a shame on 08:57 - Feb 9 with 1021 views | chicoazul |
| Such a shame on 22:48 - Feb 8 by GlasgowBlue |
An amendment free bill makes it harder for the Lords to vote against.
As for Corbyn? He'll be gone by April fools day. Sadly. |
Do you think so? I really cant see it. He has enormous support from Labour members. |  |
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| Such a shame on 09:00 - Feb 9 with 1007 views | vapour_trail |
| Such a shame on 08:57 - Feb 9 by chicoazul |
Do you think so? I really cant see it. He has enormous support from Labour members. |
Indeed. His demise has been regularly signposted since the day he started in post. He'll tough this one out as well I'm sure. | |
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| Such a shame on 09:00 - Feb 9 with 996 views | chicoazul |
| Such a shame on 23:59 - Feb 8 by Ryorry |
In other words, the feckin Tories screwed us and the UK over just to get themselves out of their own sh!t.
Guess I'm not gonna be flavour of Glassers' month now ;) |
You have to remember, Cameron did NOT expect to win in 2015. He made the referendum pledge as a sop to his party and party supporters on the proviso that he expected to be in coalition with Clegg again and could then say to the country Well Nick wont let me do it etc.
He must have crapped himself when he saw he had won ahhaha. | |
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| Such a shame on 09:01 - Feb 9 with 986 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Such a shame on 08:57 - Feb 9 by chicoazul |
Do you think so? I really cant see it. He has enormous support from Labour members. |
Apparently he had a wobble during the leadership challenge in the summer and he has lost quite a bit of support among the young left wing members who are pro EU.
If the left can put up an alternative then I think he's finished. Especially if John NcDonnell leans on him. [Post edited 9 Feb 2017 9:39]
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