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Sustainable eating 09:18 - Sep 5 with 8690 viewsStokieBlue

Quite an interesting article from the Guardian on sustainable eating:

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/05/ditch-the-almond-milk-why-everythin

Obviously not all are workable in everyday life but it's an interesting read, especially around some of the carbon footprint statistics.

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Sustainable eating on 09:24 - Sep 5 with 4635 viewschicoazul

Interesting article thanks for posting.

Here is what I have done around "sustainability"in food; I never have takeaway food or coffee, I grow my own herbs/use dried instead so no little plastic bags chucked in the bin anymore, and I only eat 2 meals a day.

EDIT; I also bought a rice cooker as I was throwing away loads of plastic bags of pre-cooked rice ( and I am hopeless at cooking rice on the hob)
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Sustainable eating on 09:24 - Sep 5 by chicoazul

Interesting article thanks for posting.

Here is what I have done around "sustainability"in food; I never have takeaway food or coffee, I grow my own herbs/use dried instead so no little plastic bags chucked in the bin anymore, and I only eat 2 meals a day.

EDIT; I also bought a rice cooker as I was throwing away loads of plastic bags of pre-cooked rice ( and I am hopeless at cooking rice on the hob)
[Post edited 5 Sep 2018 9:27]


Yeah I started a little herb garden of my own this summer. Those little potted herbs from the supermarket are a bloody wizz- they know they won't grow properly like that, just creates more waste.

We get a veg box every week from the little city farm. Always something different in there so varies meals up a lot, and they'll let you know what's in the box a few days before so you can plan your meals.

Also finding a very good butcher was a godsend. Everything tastes better, probably lived a decent life and retains water/weight properly as it should. And you get the guy's decades of knowledge- any cut you want, off-cuts for stock, whatever you need.

Takeaway coffees are still my weakness here. But I think I'd look a bit of a weirdo going in with my own mug. Although might try it this morning now!

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Sustainable eating on 09:37 - Sep 5 with 4613 viewsStokieBlue

Sustainable eating on 09:33 - Sep 5 by footers

Yeah I started a little herb garden of my own this summer. Those little potted herbs from the supermarket are a bloody wizz- they know they won't grow properly like that, just creates more waste.

We get a veg box every week from the little city farm. Always something different in there so varies meals up a lot, and they'll let you know what's in the box a few days before so you can plan your meals.

Also finding a very good butcher was a godsend. Everything tastes better, probably lived a decent life and retains water/weight properly as it should. And you get the guy's decades of knowledge- any cut you want, off-cuts for stock, whatever you need.

Takeaway coffees are still my weakness here. But I think I'd look a bit of a weirdo going in with my own mug. Although might try it this morning now!


I wouldn't worry about that, seems most people (including me) use reusable cups now for coffee. You usually get 50p off in most places as well so pays for itself in no time.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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Sustainable eating on 09:50 - Sep 5 with 4596 viewsfooters

Sustainable eating on 09:37 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue

I wouldn't worry about that, seems most people (including me) use reusable cups now for coffee. You usually get 50p off in most places as well so pays for itself in no time.

SB


As a side note, here's something that's been annoying me for a while... Since when did pubs stop refilling your pint glass with the same beer? Makes no sense. I always ask them to refill as it doesn't make any sense to waste time, effort and water!

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Sustainable eating on 09:56 - Sep 5 with 4573 viewschicoazul

Sustainable eating on 09:50 - Sep 5 by footers

As a side note, here's something that's been annoying me for a while... Since when did pubs stop refilling your pint glass with the same beer? Makes no sense. I always ask them to refill as it doesn't make any sense to waste time, effort and water!


Yeah this is so true. My local Spoons wont even countenance it. Fresh glass every time.

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Sustainable eating on 10:52 - Sep 5 with 4528 viewsJ2BLUE

Thanks for posting. I don't think i'm too bad but I could do more.

I tend to buy new bags most times I go shopping as I usually buy more than I went in for. I also sometimes think it's only 10p so I won't bother taking a bag rather than thinking of the plastic used to make it.

I have had a Brita fill and go bottle for a couple of years and never used it.

I'm happily ditch the almond milk, those water stats are insane.

I am a sucker for express rice...I know it's lazy but it's so convenient.

I buy bottled water regularly but will get my Brita filter working. Another one i've had for years and not opened.

I try and recycle everything I can. Love Twinings tea but PG Tips are not fully biodegradable. Bought some and they aren't bad.

I sometimes guiltily don't make the effort with things like bread bags which can be recycled with carrier bags at big supermarkets simply because I don't know when i'll next be going. I can go weeks without a visit to a superstore.

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Sustainable eating on 11:01 - Sep 5 with 4518 viewsDanTheMan

Sustainable eating on 10:52 - Sep 5 by J2BLUE

Thanks for posting. I don't think i'm too bad but I could do more.

I tend to buy new bags most times I go shopping as I usually buy more than I went in for. I also sometimes think it's only 10p so I won't bother taking a bag rather than thinking of the plastic used to make it.

I have had a Brita fill and go bottle for a couple of years and never used it.

I'm happily ditch the almond milk, those water stats are insane.

I am a sucker for express rice...I know it's lazy but it's so convenient.

I buy bottled water regularly but will get my Brita filter working. Another one i've had for years and not opened.

I try and recycle everything I can. Love Twinings tea but PG Tips are not fully biodegradable. Bought some and they aren't bad.

I sometimes guiltily don't make the effort with things like bread bags which can be recycled with carrier bags at big supermarkets simply because I don't know when i'll next be going. I can go weeks without a visit to a superstore.


I've got myself a composter, which is filling up nicely. No point in that all going into landfill.

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Sustainable eating on 13:16 - Sep 5 with 4429 viewsSuperfrans

Sustainable eating on 09:24 - Sep 5 by chicoazul

Interesting article thanks for posting.

Here is what I have done around "sustainability"in food; I never have takeaway food or coffee, I grow my own herbs/use dried instead so no little plastic bags chucked in the bin anymore, and I only eat 2 meals a day.

EDIT; I also bought a rice cooker as I was throwing away loads of plastic bags of pre-cooked rice ( and I am hopeless at cooking rice on the hob)
[Post edited 5 Sep 2018 9:27]


The key to cooking rice on the hob...

tablespoon of oil in the saucepan.
stir in a mug-ful of brown rice so its coated with the oil.
stir in 1.5 times water in volume to the rice (so, 1.5 mugs of boiling water to 1 mug of rice).
bring to the boil and simmer until the water has all been absorbed (usually 25-35 mins).
perfect rice every time.

You're welcome...

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Sustainable eating on 13:19 - Sep 5 with 4419 viewsSuperfrans

Sustainable eating on 09:50 - Sep 5 by footers

As a side note, here's something that's been annoying me for a while... Since when did pubs stop refilling your pint glass with the same beer? Makes no sense. I always ask them to refill as it doesn't make any sense to waste time, effort and water!


Why don't pubs do tankards any more?
Your own tankard, hanging from above the bar, one receptacle all night...

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Sustainable eating on 13:19 - Sep 5 with 4418 viewsitfcjoe

Sustainable eating on 13:16 - Sep 5 by Superfrans

The key to cooking rice on the hob...

tablespoon of oil in the saucepan.
stir in a mug-ful of brown rice so its coated with the oil.
stir in 1.5 times water in volume to the rice (so, 1.5 mugs of boiling water to 1 mug of rice).
bring to the boil and simmer until the water has all been absorbed (usually 25-35 mins).
perfect rice every time.

You're welcome...


Just get one of these....


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Sustainable eating on 13:20 - Sep 5 with 4415 viewsJ2BLUE

Sustainable eating on 13:16 - Sep 5 by Superfrans

The key to cooking rice on the hob...

tablespoon of oil in the saucepan.
stir in a mug-ful of brown rice so its coated with the oil.
stir in 1.5 times water in volume to the rice (so, 1.5 mugs of boiling water to 1 mug of rice).
bring to the boil and simmer until the water has all been absorbed (usually 25-35 mins).
perfect rice every time.

You're welcome...


And 135 extra calories.

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Sustainable eating on 13:25 - Sep 5 with 4399 viewsfooters

Sustainable eating on 13:19 - Sep 5 by Superfrans

Why don't pubs do tankards any more?
Your own tankard, hanging from above the bar, one receptacle all night...


The landlord of my local was telling me that the breweries are always pushing new glasses on to the pubs, which I suppose answers both of our questions really. Can't stand those weird Stella glasses with a stem- look bloody ridiculous!

Btw, I cook rice by the absorption method which I've always found works a treat too.

Same proportion of rice/water as yours, but just put it all in cold, heat on high until boiling, turn off the heat, cover and leave for 15 minutes. Never fails! Although that is white rice, not brown, which I'm guessing needs longer cooking?

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Sustainable eating on 14:24 - Sep 5 with 4330 viewsmonytowbray

Weurd it has a dig at tofu and almond milk but no where did it state just give up or cut down on meat and dairy.

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Sustainable eating on 14:28 - Sep 5 with 4314 viewsfooters

Sustainable eating on 14:24 - Sep 5 by monytowbray

Weurd it has a dig at tofu and almond milk but no where did it state just give up or cut down on meat and dairy.


The article is about debunking myths around sustainable foods though. I'm sure most people understand dairy farming at such scale isn't sustainable.

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Sustainable eating on 14:29 - Sep 5 with 4309 viewsmonytowbray

Sustainable eating on 14:28 - Sep 5 by footers

The article is about debunking myths around sustainable foods though. I'm sure most people understand dairy farming at such scale isn't sustainable.


You’d be surprised!

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Sustainable eating on 14:40 - Sep 5 with 4286 viewsNo9

It is a good article but it doesn't really go far enough.
Food sciences should be taught as a basic subject in schools
There are many wild species of edible foodstuffs that never get harvested & plenty of meat too
Tomatoes can be grown in pots anywhere as long as they get sunlight and water - freezing is easy too
Herbs can be grown in pots and frozen.

Fishing is a nightmare

Why use plastic when greaseproof paper or baking parchment do the job?
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Sustainable eating on 14:57 - Sep 5 with 4258 viewsStokieBlue

Sustainable eating on 14:24 - Sep 5 by monytowbray

Weurd it has a dig at tofu and almond milk but no where did it state just give up or cut down on meat and dairy.


The article isn't about converting people, it's about how to improve their current habits. It's not even entirely centred on the actual foods but the packaging etc.

Why is it a weird dig? The facts on almond milk and tofu are surely quite interesting? The more information the better I would have thought?

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“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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Sustainable eating on 15:18 - Sep 5 with 4236 viewsSwansea_Blue

Sustainable eating on 09:50 - Sep 5 by footers

As a side note, here's something that's been annoying me for a while... Since when did pubs stop refilling your pint glass with the same beer? Makes no sense. I always ask them to refill as it doesn't make any sense to waste time, effort and water!


Years and years ago. A regulation change I think, but can't be sure.

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Sustainable eating on 18:49 - Sep 5 with 4150 viewsSwansea_Blue

Sustainable eating on 14:40 - Sep 5 by No9

It is a good article but it doesn't really go far enough.
Food sciences should be taught as a basic subject in schools
There are many wild species of edible foodstuffs that never get harvested & plenty of meat too
Tomatoes can be grown in pots anywhere as long as they get sunlight and water - freezing is easy too
Herbs can be grown in pots and frozen.

Fishing is a nightmare

Why use plastic when greaseproof paper or baking parchment do the job?


Fishing certainly can be a nightmare. I’ve bad memories of freezing my pinky off down Sproughton for 8 hours for a couple of gudgeon

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Sustainable eating on 18:55 - Sep 5 with 4142 viewsHerbivore

Sustainable eating on 14:57 - Sep 5 by StokieBlue

The article isn't about converting people, it's about how to improve their current habits. It's not even entirely centred on the actual foods but the packaging etc.

Why is it a weird dig? The facts on almond milk and tofu are surely quite interesting? The more information the better I would have thought?

SB


The almond milk one is very interesting and I'll be looking at switching to oat milk I think.

The tofu one is a misleading. Yes, if you were to buy tofu made from soya beans in an area that has been subject to deforestation then that would be bad but somewhere between 75% and upwards of 90% of soya grown globally is for animal feed for the meat and dairy industry. Very little, if any, of the soya grown in the deforested areas of Brazil is used for anything other than animal feed. Certainly in the UK the commonly available brands of tofu are made from organic, non-GMO soya beans and not the intensively farmed cow-feed that comes from Brazil.

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Sustainable eating on 20:03 - Sep 5 with 4099 viewsDubtractor

Interesting article, was reading it earlier on.

Good to see them debunking the idea that bio plastics are a great solution as they are not really.

Also good to highlight that whilst all plastic is feasibly recyclable, badly designed products ultimately won't be as the facilities set up for the processing and sorting have their own limitations. The worst product is black plastic "meat trays". Being black means that optical sorters struggle to separate it from other plastic types and it therefore often can't be recycled and despite retailers being encouraged to stop using it they won't. The reason? Consumers don't want to see the blood that comes out of meat and black packaging hides it.

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Sustainable eating on 20:27 - Sep 5 with 4065 viewsjeera

Sustainable eating on 20:03 - Sep 5 by Dubtractor

Interesting article, was reading it earlier on.

Good to see them debunking the idea that bio plastics are a great solution as they are not really.

Also good to highlight that whilst all plastic is feasibly recyclable, badly designed products ultimately won't be as the facilities set up for the processing and sorting have their own limitations. The worst product is black plastic "meat trays". Being black means that optical sorters struggle to separate it from other plastic types and it therefore often can't be recycled and despite retailers being encouraged to stop using it they won't. The reason? Consumers don't want to see the blood that comes out of meat and black packaging hides it.


Why aren't packaging items such as meat trays recyclable, and are there any plans to force production of recyclables only in the [near] future?



*Do you know, I should say? As I realise you are involved in the industry in some form Dubbers.

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Sustainable eating on 20:35 - Sep 5 with 4050 viewsJ2BLUE

Anyone watching Shop Well For Less on BBC1? How these two morons were allowed to reproduce I really don't know. The man especially is an utter moron.

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Sustainable eating on 20:38 - Sep 5 with 4045 viewsReuser_is_God

Sustainable eating on 20:35 - Sep 5 by J2BLUE

Anyone watching Shop Well For Less on BBC1? How these two morons were allowed to reproduce I really don't know. The man especially is an utter moron.


Is it along the lines of Eat Well for Less?

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Sustainable eating on 20:41 - Sep 5 with 4041 viewsDubtractor

Sustainable eating on 20:27 - Sep 5 by jeera

Why aren't packaging items such as meat trays recyclable, and are there any plans to force production of recyclables only in the [near] future?



*Do you know, I should say? As I realise you are involved in the industry in some form Dubbers.


Its not that they can't be, more that due to their colour the optical sorters struggle to identify them - you need to consider that the volume and scale of these facilities are huge and it relies on automated processes to separate materials. Here is a bit of info:

http://www.wrap.org.uk/content/recyclability-black-plastic-packaging-0

The government/Defra are releasing a long awaited (waste has been a policy vacuum under this shambles of a government since 2010) resources and waste strategy later this year and part of that could/should be increased producer responsibility for the cost of treating/disposing of the materials that are put into the market place.

The current cost of collecting and treating waste sits wholly with councils and therefore the tax payer. This is an opportunity to push some of the cost burden back on the companies putting it into the market place and it could/might lead to better product design as companies look to reduce the cost burden upon them.

Of course, it will probably come to nothing or be a half arsed solution, though Michael Gove has been making the right noises and I think is keen to demonstrate that "Brexit Britain" can lead the way on environmental policy without the EU.
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