| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 14:02 - Nov 4 with 4480 views | Bigalhunter |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 00:03 - Nov 4 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
no I don't. They both want the same thing independence from the UK. You ignorant, arrogant tool. |
FFS. Are you actually allowed out unsupervised? |  | |  |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:12 - Nov 4 with 4452 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 00:25 - Nov 4 by Clapham_Junction |
Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself here.
The SNP are civil nationalists that want an independent Scotland.
The EDL are an anti-Islam group. They don't campaign for an independent England. |
The SNP do have a very dark past though.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/may/09/highereducation.humanities |  |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:31 - Nov 4 with 4433 views | Darth_Koont |
That's a bit of a silly characterisation as usual.
It was a small group of individuals at the most. The Irish republicans collaborated properly with the Germans but even in that case it would be unfair to smear the republican-nationalist cause because they tried to take advantage of "your enemy's enemy" and all that.
It's historically illiterate to use hindsight and say that was wrong from the start. The world and the Nazi regime didn't look the same way at the time. Let's not forget that in the same year,1943, the UK government allowed their more pressing focus on the war efforts to get in the way of trying to save 2-3 million Bengalis from famine and disease. It's complicated putting our values and hindsight onto these things. |  |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:01 - Nov 4 with 4418 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:31 - Nov 4 by Darth_Koont |
That's a bit of a silly characterisation as usual.
It was a small group of individuals at the most. The Irish republicans collaborated properly with the Germans but even in that case it would be unfair to smear the republican-nationalist cause because they tried to take advantage of "your enemy's enemy" and all that.
It's historically illiterate to use hindsight and say that was wrong from the start. The world and the Nazi regime didn't look the same way at the time. Let's not forget that in the same year,1943, the UK government allowed their more pressing focus on the war efforts to get in the way of trying to save 2-3 million Bengalis from famine and disease. It's complicated putting our values and hindsight onto these things. |
It's probably as relevant today as a headline written in the 1930's by a long deceased editor of the Daily Mail. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:04 - Nov 4 with 4405 views | Darth_Koont |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:01 - Nov 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It's probably as relevant today as a headline written in the 1930's by a long deceased editor of the Daily Mail. |
Not really. Considering the Daily Mail are still a horrible stain and far-right enabler to this day.
But in any case, I don't make that reference to the Daily Mail in the 1930s or need to. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:09 - Nov 4 with 4394 views | tabletopjoe |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:04 - Nov 4 by Darth_Koont |
Not really. Considering the Daily Mail are still a horrible stain and far-right enabler to this day.
But in any case, I don't make that reference to the Daily Mail in the 1930s or need to. |
But you did, so enjoy
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/revealed-the-fascist-past-of-the-daily- |  |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:12 - Nov 4 with 4390 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:04 - Nov 4 by Darth_Koont |
Not really. Considering the Daily Mail are still a horrible stain and far-right enabler to this day.
But in any case, I don't make that reference to the Daily Mail in the 1930s or need to. |
You have to admit that there is a nasty bullying element to the SNP.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11529177/The-bullying-beh
Several respected journalists have been under immense pressure from the cybernats for writing critical articles.
I'm also privy to a very worrying story regarding threats of violence to a journalist which I won't repeat on here but comes from an inpecible source. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:16 - Nov 4 with 4377 views | Darth_Koont |
You what?
I think the only time I've dredged into the past to try to get at some historical and irrelevant bias was when I pointed out that the Royal British Legion wanted to assist Hitler in annexing the Sudetenland. Purely to prove how silly and dishonest that tactic is.
But fill your boots. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:23 - Nov 4 with 4367 views | Darth_Koont |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:12 - Nov 4 by GlasgowBlue |
You have to admit that there is a nasty bullying element to the SNP.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11529177/The-bullying-beh
Several respected journalists have been under immense pressure from the cybernats for writing critical articles.
I'm also privy to a very worrying story regarding threats of violence to a journalist which I won't repeat on here but comes from an inpecible source. |
Some people are idiots and some idiots are SNP supporters.
It doesn't detract from the overall legitimacy of the cause and the overall support, especially as the bullying and threats are roundly condemned.
Seriously, why do you think smear tactics like these are in any way responsible and legitimate forms of debate? All's fair in love and politics? They're at the heart of why I think you're dishonest. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:32 - Nov 4 with 4350 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:23 - Nov 4 by Darth_Koont |
Some people are idiots and some idiots are SNP supporters.
It doesn't detract from the overall legitimacy of the cause and the overall support, especially as the bullying and threats are roundly condemned.
Seriously, why do you think smear tactics like these are in any way responsible and legitimate forms of debate? All's fair in love and politics? They're at the heart of why I think you're dishonest. |
Why is everything you disagree with "smear tactics". It called a discussion mate. People have different opinions. My opinion is that there is an issue with the cybernats up here and several journalists have been intimidated.
This doesn't make pleasant reading.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/press-censorship-begun-scotland/
Perhaps if people like you discussed and addressed the faults of particular causes that you support, rather than dismissing any criticism as smears, then more could be done to tackle it.
But let's face it, if I said the sky was blue, you'd dismiss that as an outrageous smear and claim it was purple so probably best to bid you good day and move on. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:48 - Nov 4 with 4263 views | caught-in-limbo |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 19:33 - Nov 3 by footers |
Naughty me for enquiring about Palestine... touchy! Maybe I was searching for an equivalence in views on stateless peoples and the current situation in the ME. It was a curious question, and I am a curious creature, in both senses of the word.
Why it's pertinent to the discussion: most of the evidence supplied conflates legitimate condemnation of the acts of the Israeli state with antisemitism. The definition of antisemitism you and others have universally adopted contains seven references to Israel. So moving the discussion to Israel/Palestine in the wider context of antisemitism's definition is now in itself antisemitic? Brill. Quite useful in shutting down dissent. "Antisemite!"
As for your example of the Irish, I'm glad you brought that up as I'm half Irish and my family have been on various sides of various conflicts for decades. The truth is that Ireland and Israel are both far more nuanced debates that require wider discussion. Asking someone Irish on their views tactfully would be, and usually is, quite illuminating. Or do we shut down that conversation now that one of the provinces is part of UK PLC?
And on hijacking threads, come now GB... Even our fairly recent discussion about BoJo's clear Islamophobia turned into a Corbyn-fest for you. Why not stick to the topic? Or did you want to broaden the conversation?
This is why people don't like your style of debate: you pick and choose when to be pious, when jokes are acceptable and when changing the topic is appropriate; you like to set the rules so pompously but rarely follow them yourself.
I am ever so grateful that you've judged me to be non-antisemitic. I shall sleep better tonight and for ever knowing that I'm not an out and out jew-hater, I merely stray into antisemitic language every now and again, at parties or on the odd weekend with the lads.
Trying to bludgeon people with tweets rather than addressing the point of genuine criticism of Israel being labelled as antisemitic when it is not is a problem with your argument. You fail to see the nuance, purposefully so in my opinion.
That you are so condescending in your appraisal of my position is telling. I am a fervent anti-racist who has no difficulty in telling what is antisemitic and what is not. Calling Israel an apartheid state is not antisemitic, and if Israel has a problem with that label then they should recognise Palestine, to begin a true two-state solution. [Post edited 3 Nov 2018 19:34]
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:49 - Nov 4 with 4326 views | Darth_Koont |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:32 - Nov 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Why is everything you disagree with "smear tactics". It called a discussion mate. People have different opinions. My opinion is that there is an issue with the cybernats up here and several journalists have been intimidated.
This doesn't make pleasant reading.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/press-censorship-begun-scotland/
Perhaps if people like you discussed and addressed the faults of particular causes that you support, rather than dismissing any criticism as smears, then more could be done to tackle it.
But let's face it, if I said the sky was blue, you'd dismiss that as an outrageous smear and claim it was purple so probably best to bid you good day and move on. |
Hehe. Actually it's like you taking a shot of a sunset and saying, "Look, look. The sky is red not blue!". Then when people say yes it can be red but most of the time it's also blue or grey or black you bring up another shot of a sunset and say "No, look. It's definitely red!"
You seem to have absorbed and internalised the worst traits of the modern politician — a self-serving agenda, an addiction to the game of politics and a very casual relationship with the truth. And depressing that you do this on TWTD where it would be nice not to have any of that. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:34 - Nov 4 with 4218 views | Jonnosdreadlocks |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 14:02 - Nov 4 by Bigalhunter |
FFS. Are you actually allowed out unsupervised? |
So BIG AL Are you a total tw@t or just part-time? Sorry not everyone's opinions on here fit in with you and your left wing comrades. Others are allowed different views as well.
If you actually bothered to read what the English Democrats (who are not the EDL or the BNP, (but you probably think they are because that fits you and your left wing agenda). They are committed to an independent England from the UK and EU. That's what the SNP want for Scotland is it not? The exception being the SNP want to stay in the EU to pay the bills not England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26583314
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11079296/Anti-Engl
Still, like I said, that doesn't fit into you or you fellow lefties on here who like to dominate the board with their political views and think anyone else is far right. Why Koont thinks the SNP's version of nationalism (probably because the SNP are socialists as well as Nats) is fine but English Nationalists are Xenophobes, proves how intolerant and ignorant you and he are... IGNORE, TICK! |  |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 23:13 - Nov 4 with 4189 views | Darth_Koont |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:34 - Nov 4 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
So BIG AL Are you a total tw@t or just part-time? Sorry not everyone's opinions on here fit in with you and your left wing comrades. Others are allowed different views as well.
If you actually bothered to read what the English Democrats (who are not the EDL or the BNP, (but you probably think they are because that fits you and your left wing agenda). They are committed to an independent England from the UK and EU. That's what the SNP want for Scotland is it not? The exception being the SNP want to stay in the EU to pay the bills not England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26583314
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11079296/Anti-Engl
Still, like I said, that doesn't fit into you or you fellow lefties on here who like to dominate the board with their political views and think anyone else is far right. Why Koont thinks the SNP's version of nationalism (probably because the SNP are socialists as well as Nats) is fine but English Nationalists are Xenophobes, proves how intolerant and ignorant you and he are... IGNORE, TICK! |
So now it's the English Democrats? They're a total irrelevance that nobody believes in.
You're a waste of my time on here so make sure you put me on ignore too. [Post edited 4 Nov 2018 23:23]
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 19:52 - Nov 5 with 4024 views | Seablu |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:34 - Nov 4 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
So BIG AL Are you a total tw@t or just part-time? Sorry not everyone's opinions on here fit in with you and your left wing comrades. Others are allowed different views as well.
If you actually bothered to read what the English Democrats (who are not the EDL or the BNP, (but you probably think they are because that fits you and your left wing agenda). They are committed to an independent England from the UK and EU. That's what the SNP want for Scotland is it not? The exception being the SNP want to stay in the EU to pay the bills not England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26583314
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11079296/Anti-Engl
Still, like I said, that doesn't fit into you or you fellow lefties on here who like to dominate the board with their political views and think anyone else is far right. Why Koont thinks the SNP's version of nationalism (probably because the SNP are socialists as well as Nats) is fine but English Nationalists are Xenophobes, proves how intolerant and ignorant you and he are... IGNORE, TICK! |
I don't like you either so can I go on ignore as well please?
Ta. |  | | |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 21:27 - Nov 5 with 4000 views | m14_blue |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:34 - Nov 4 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
So BIG AL Are you a total tw@t or just part-time? Sorry not everyone's opinions on here fit in with you and your left wing comrades. Others are allowed different views as well.
If you actually bothered to read what the English Democrats (who are not the EDL or the BNP, (but you probably think they are because that fits you and your left wing agenda). They are committed to an independent England from the UK and EU. That's what the SNP want for Scotland is it not? The exception being the SNP want to stay in the EU to pay the bills not England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26583314
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11079296/Anti-Engl
Still, like I said, that doesn't fit into you or you fellow lefties on here who like to dominate the board with their political views and think anyone else is far right. Why Koont thinks the SNP's version of nationalism (probably because the SNP are socialists as well as Nats) is fine but English Nationalists are Xenophobes, proves how intolerant and ignorant you and he are... IGNORE, TICK! |
Is this the same English Democrats of whom 10% of their members are former members of the BNP?
Sounds fairly far right to me... |  | | |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:47 - Nov 5 with 3961 views | Jonnosdreadlocks |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 21:27 - Nov 5 by m14_blue |
Is this the same English Democrats of whom 10% of their members are former members of the BNP?
Sounds fairly far right to me... |
that's a fact is it? like half the labour party being anti jewish is it? no, its just generalising and making up stats to fit your politics. The BNP are a BRTISH nationalist party aren't they? pro the union unlike the English Democrats who are neither left, nor right just English. Still that doesn't fit your agenda does it? I am still bewildered by the Koont's view that Scottish Nationalism is fine and dandy (i'm assuming because its a left wing/socialist party as well as nationalist) but English Nationalism is racist and Xenophobic. Incredible Hypocrisey. Utter BS.. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 23:31 - Nov 5 with 3924 views | Clapham_Junction |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:47 - Nov 5 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
that's a fact is it? like half the labour party being anti jewish is it? no, its just generalising and making up stats to fit your politics. The BNP are a BRTISH nationalist party aren't they? pro the union unlike the English Democrats who are neither left, nor right just English. Still that doesn't fit your agenda does it? I am still bewildered by the Koont's view that Scottish Nationalism is fine and dandy (i'm assuming because its a left wing/socialist party as well as nationalist) but English Nationalism is racist and Xenophobic. Incredible Hypocrisey. Utter BS.. |
The English Democrats are described as right-wing to far-right ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Democrats).
As for your other point, I suspect the reason for the difference is that nationalist parties of minorities are usually quite keen on human rights, equality etc so tend to have a more left-wing flavour. On the other hand, nationalist parties of the majority group tend to be more interested in asserting dominance.
Northern Ireland is a classic example where the two major majority (unionist) parties are right-wing and the two major minority (Irish nationalist) parties are left wing |  | | |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 00:15 - Nov 6 with 3888 views | Darth_Koont |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 23:31 - Nov 5 by Clapham_Junction |
The English Democrats are described as right-wing to far-right ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Democrats).
As for your other point, I suspect the reason for the difference is that nationalist parties of minorities are usually quite keen on human rights, equality etc so tend to have a more left-wing flavour. On the other hand, nationalist parties of the majority group tend to be more interested in asserting dominance.
Northern Ireland is a classic example where the two major majority (unionist) parties are right-wing and the two major minority (Irish nationalist) parties are left wing |
Indeed. The idea that a national group that is already dominant should assert its rights even further is, well, a touch fascist. | |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 09:48 - Nov 6 with 3783 views | m14_blue |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:47 - Nov 5 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
that's a fact is it? like half the labour party being anti jewish is it? no, its just generalising and making up stats to fit your politics. The BNP are a BRTISH nationalist party aren't they? pro the union unlike the English Democrats who are neither left, nor right just English. Still that doesn't fit your agenda does it? I am still bewildered by the Koont's view that Scottish Nationalism is fine and dandy (i'm assuming because its a left wing/socialist party as well as nationalist) but English Nationalism is racist and Xenophobic. Incredible Hypocrisey. Utter BS.. |
Well it was their chairman, Robin Tilbrook, who said that 200-300 of their 3000 members were formerly BNP.
So yes, I'd say it's a fact.
I know that doesn't fit your agenda though.......... | | | |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 21:57 - Nov 6 with 3704 views | Bigalhunter |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:34 - Nov 4 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
So BIG AL Are you a total tw@t or just part-time? Sorry not everyone's opinions on here fit in with you and your left wing comrades. Others are allowed different views as well.
If you actually bothered to read what the English Democrats (who are not the EDL or the BNP, (but you probably think they are because that fits you and your left wing agenda). They are committed to an independent England from the UK and EU. That's what the SNP want for Scotland is it not? The exception being the SNP want to stay in the EU to pay the bills not England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26583314
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11079296/Anti-Engl
Still, like I said, that doesn't fit into you or you fellow lefties on here who like to dominate the board with their political views and think anyone else is far right. Why Koont thinks the SNP's version of nationalism (probably because the SNP are socialists as well as Nats) is fine but English Nationalists are Xenophobes, proves how intolerant and ignorant you and he are... IGNORE, TICK! |
I didn't think you'd actually confirm your rabid ignorance quite so wonderfully.
Well played though. | | | |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:19 - Nov 6 with 3690 views | GlasgowBlue |
They're training them young in Bournemouth
edit. Maliblu, you promised to get back to me today. And I know what a stickler you are for people not replying to the points you make. [Post edited 6 Nov 2018 22:23]
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:26 - Nov 6 with 3680 views | Footballpete |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:34 - Nov 4 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
So BIG AL Are you a total tw@t or just part-time? Sorry not everyone's opinions on here fit in with you and your left wing comrades. Others are allowed different views as well.
If you actually bothered to read what the English Democrats (who are not the EDL or the BNP, (but you probably think they are because that fits you and your left wing agenda). They are committed to an independent England from the UK and EU. That's what the SNP want for Scotland is it not? The exception being the SNP want to stay in the EU to pay the bills not England.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26583314
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11079296/Anti-Engl
Still, like I said, that doesn't fit into you or you fellow lefties on here who like to dominate the board with their political views and think anyone else is far right. Why Koont thinks the SNP's version of nationalism (probably because the SNP are socialists as well as Nats) is fine but English Nationalists are Xenophobes, proves how intolerant and ignorant you and he are... IGNORE, TICK! |
May I ask what it is that the English Democrats want, how they plan to achieve it and why said aims would be desirable? |  |
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| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:32 - Nov 6 with 3673 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 22:26 - Nov 6 by Footballpete |
May I ask what it is that the English Democrats want, how they plan to achieve it and why said aims would be desirable? |
No Irish, no blacks, no dogs would be my guess. | |
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