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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 15:33 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
it's leading you into equivocating about anti-semitism - even with the most blatant example you can see an inner essence that's ok. so not at all vague. to your credit i'm certain you couldn't do the same with any other form of hate speech or racism.
The more you write, the more it seems that you're the one confused about antisemitism. Are you saying that the essence of that poster which is the same as Primo Levi's criticism of Israel as fascist and racist is antisemitic??
But I'll say it again in the hope that it might finally sink in: How it was expressed IS definitely antisemitic.
Pronouns: He/Him
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:10 - Nov 2 with 1875 views
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 15:42 - Nov 2 by Darth_Koont
The more you write, the more it seems that you're the one confused about antisemitism. Are you saying that the essence of that poster which is the same as Primo Levi's criticism of Israel as fascist and racist is antisemitic??
But I'll say it again in the hope that it might finally sink in: How it was expressed IS definitely antisemitic.
the essence is anti-semitic. the use of zio is anti-semitic. linking judaism / the star of david to nazism or the swastika is anti-semitic. linking israel to nazism / the swastika breaks the international definition of anti-semitism. the poster is anti-semitic in essence as well as in intent and in fact. that you are determined to see a valid 'essence' in it is weird.
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And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:24 - Nov 2 with 1837 views
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 15:16 - Nov 2 by eireblue
I think you are being a little bit unfair.
Apparently, there are a couple of vegans on the board. Some start vegan threads, some jump in when others start vegan threads, and maybe talk about their personal perspective.
The nature, style and language of a debate may become more polarized and push people apart, or maybe more constructive and build towards an understanding. Some people use emotive language.
If GB posts more about his personal journey, maybe it is an indication of something that is happening with him, as a result of these discussions and wider thoughts he may have had.
Maybe, rather than attack the person, who you acknowledge as intelligent, maybe consider what is prompting this.
I would agree that language has to be carefully used by all, otherwise divisive language just leads to more division.
Personally, I do think there is a difference between saying anti-semitism in the Labour party and anti-semites that are members of the Labour Party. One phrasing may cause people to be more protective of something they are associated with, and therefore maybe are more likely to become more defensive.
I have posted before, I am quite happy for the police to prosecute hate crime, even stuff on social media. We probably need more police to do it.
An interesting debate would be, why in times of a perceived increase in hateful speech is the government of the day not investing more in more policing of such potential crime?
Especially when such language could be a precursor to worse things.
Should any political party that aspires to have MP's and wants to stand for elections have a strict code of conduct, monitored not by themselves, but by an independent body?
In fact, it may have been a decent move by the Labour Party to have been more obviously strict themselves and use that to bash the current government with. Especially when we have police saying they don't have resources to do all the things they could do.
Not having done that is a reflection on intelligence and competence.
Just on a side note.
There was a dialogue a while back, probably sparked by Richard Dawkins, about faith schools.
What makes me concerned is that people get very polarised by use of language.
For instance from a purely religious perspective, many people think it is fine for someone to have a belief, but to try and impose it, is wrong. We live in a democracy. For instance I think his perspective is that there shouldn't be faith schools, or at least state funded ones. Labelling a child and imposing a religion on them from a very early age seemed wrong to him.
Therefore there maybe a debate to be had about religion in a secular society that embraces all faiths. And in the Richard Dawkins way of thinking, he viewed it as wrong to label children of catholics as a catholic child.
I think if you want to have that debate, why not have that debate, about religious faith.
Anyhoo, back on topic. The thing that would be interesting to know, of the people that have done anti-semitic posts on SM, that are widely propagated, do they still have accounts on the Social Media sites? Or are they being allowed to carry on.
Wasn't Stephen Current-Name-Yaxley, removed from social media? Hopefully equally repugnant users of SM are being dropped.
An excellent post and some very interesting points.
"Maybe, rather than attack the person, who you acknowledge as intelligent, maybe consider what is prompting this."
Glassers attacked Corbyn from the off (not for anti semitism at the time) due him representing the opposition to Glassers' political views. He jumped on everything - from little things like a wonky tie initially. He warned, when told how silly this was, that the Tories had bigger stuff waiting to come out on Corbyn. He practically admitted to the smear campaign.
When anti semitism came up he jumped on that too, feverishly.
The arguments ensued as Glassers increasingly jumped on the Labour anti-semitism bandwagon. This was a much meatier subject to help destroy Corbyn and he relished it.
Him and his family having Jewish connections only came up a long time after. It was like he needed another way of legitimising his Corbyn attacks. It actually came across as though he'd only just realised his wife was half Jewish and he thought "ooh, I can add that in to show I'm not just doing this because I'm anti-Corbyn... I can even bring the kids into it too - much more emotive".
Cynical, yes, and If I'm wrong, apologies. But that's how it came/comes across.
I consider his 'attack Corbyn at all costs' bloodlust has led to this position, not per se his anti anti-semitism stance. If he'd been as strong on all forms of racism from the start (when I say as strong I mean in terms of posting links to it on here*) and said from the start the strong feeling about anti-semitism was due to his family, I'd be less inclined to think it's politically motivated.
While he does obviously hugely care about racism he has used it time and again for political ends, and thus undermines an otherwise noble cause.
*I know he occasionally posts about racism from non-Labour angles, but 95% of his racism posting is linked to Corbyn. Which is disproportionate to the reality.
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:10 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
the essence is anti-semitic. the use of zio is anti-semitic. linking judaism / the star of david to nazism or the swastika is anti-semitic. linking israel to nazism / the swastika breaks the international definition of anti-semitism. the poster is anti-semitic in essence as well as in intent and in fact. that you are determined to see a valid 'essence' in it is weird.
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The actual essence really is a problem for you, isn't it?
What if the poster had said "Zionism = Fascism" like Primo Levi said? Even though Levi probably knew that word was deliberately provocative. I wouldn't use the word "fascist" for that reason, but as a Holocaust survivor and campaigner against antisemitism he of course can. Or what about "Israel = Apartheid"?
These messages contain the same essential criticism. So is this essence antisemitic?
I'm wasting my breath, of course. Time after time you've demonstrated you're more interested in ignoring my words or willfully getting them wrong so you can sling the biggest accusation or insinuation possible.
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 15:16 - Nov 2 by eireblue
I think you are being a little bit unfair.
Apparently, there are a couple of vegans on the board. Some start vegan threads, some jump in when others start vegan threads, and maybe talk about their personal perspective.
The nature, style and language of a debate may become more polarized and push people apart, or maybe more constructive and build towards an understanding. Some people use emotive language.
If GB posts more about his personal journey, maybe it is an indication of something that is happening with him, as a result of these discussions and wider thoughts he may have had.
Maybe, rather than attack the person, who you acknowledge as intelligent, maybe consider what is prompting this.
I would agree that language has to be carefully used by all, otherwise divisive language just leads to more division.
Personally, I do think there is a difference between saying anti-semitism in the Labour party and anti-semites that are members of the Labour Party. One phrasing may cause people to be more protective of something they are associated with, and therefore maybe are more likely to become more defensive.
I have posted before, I am quite happy for the police to prosecute hate crime, even stuff on social media. We probably need more police to do it.
An interesting debate would be, why in times of a perceived increase in hateful speech is the government of the day not investing more in more policing of such potential crime?
Especially when such language could be a precursor to worse things.
Should any political party that aspires to have MP's and wants to stand for elections have a strict code of conduct, monitored not by themselves, but by an independent body?
In fact, it may have been a decent move by the Labour Party to have been more obviously strict themselves and use that to bash the current government with. Especially when we have police saying they don't have resources to do all the things they could do.
Not having done that is a reflection on intelligence and competence.
Just on a side note.
There was a dialogue a while back, probably sparked by Richard Dawkins, about faith schools.
What makes me concerned is that people get very polarised by use of language.
For instance from a purely religious perspective, many people think it is fine for someone to have a belief, but to try and impose it, is wrong. We live in a democracy. For instance I think his perspective is that there shouldn't be faith schools, or at least state funded ones. Labelling a child and imposing a religion on them from a very early age seemed wrong to him.
Therefore there maybe a debate to be had about religion in a secular society that embraces all faiths. And in the Richard Dawkins way of thinking, he viewed it as wrong to label children of catholics as a catholic child.
I think if you want to have that debate, why not have that debate, about religious faith.
Anyhoo, back on topic. The thing that would be interesting to know, of the people that have done anti-semitic posts on SM, that are widely propagated, do they still have accounts on the Social Media sites? Or are they being allowed to carry on.
Wasn't Stephen Current-Name-Yaxley, removed from social media? Hopefully equally repugnant users of SM are being dropped.
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:37 - Nov 2 with 1813 views
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:29 - Nov 2 by Darth_Koont
The actual essence really is a problem for you, isn't it?
What if the poster had said "Zionism = Fascism" like Primo Levi said? Even though Levi probably knew that word was deliberately provocative. I wouldn't use the word "fascist" for that reason, but as a Holocaust survivor and campaigner against antisemitism he of course can. Or what about "Israel = Apartheid"?
These messages contain the same essential criticism. So is this essence antisemitic?
I'm wasting my breath, of course. Time after time you've demonstrated you're more interested in ignoring my words or willfully getting them wrong so you can sling the biggest accusation or insinuation possible.
just in case anyone cares and hasn't followed the detail, below is the poster which you consider 'the essence isn't anti-semitic"
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:38 - Nov 2 with 1789 views
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 14:29 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
it's the star of david not the israeli flag, zio is anti-semitic slang, and comparisons with the nazis falls within the international definition of anti-semitism. in it's very essence that poster is anti-semitic. that you want to split hairs on something so blatant - in it's very essence - is bizarre.
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:38 - Nov 2 by caught-in-limbo
"zio is anti-semitic slang"
Wow, just wow.
even the chakrabarti 'pre-peerage' report could see:
"During the short period of my current Inquiry, I have learned of a new modern-day racist epithet. "Zio" is a word that seems to have gained some currency on campuses and on social media in particular. No doubt it began as an abbreviation of "Zionist" (a term I will discuss later). However, I am clear that no one uses this word to describe their own political or cultural identity. It is a term of abuse, pure and simple, and should not in my view have any place in the vocabulary of Labour members, whether on- line, in conversation or anywhere else."
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:43 - Nov 2 by Darth_Koont
So you can't respond and now you're trying to re-launch the discussion by taking what I said out of context. For maximum effect.
Good work! We're really getting to see how you operate and at what level.
quoting your words - showing the picture you were responding to. yep, that's how i operate.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:46 - Nov 2 with 1764 views
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 15:07 - Nov 2 by Clapham_Junction
Well quite; statements like this can only be about shutting down debate.
Former Israeli minister Shulamit Aloni said that sometimes accusations of anti-semitism were used to counter criticism of Israel. Does she hold anti-semitic beliefs?
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:47 - Nov 2 by Darth_Koont
Dear oh dear.
The really sad thing is you probably think that's fair and honest.
dear oh dear, perhaps you should haven't said that 'the essence isn't antisemitic'. the really sad thing is i suspect that you now wish you hadn't.
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And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 16:53 - Nov 2 with 1752 views
The term “Zio” was first popularised by the far-right, with antisemitic hate preachers such as former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke using it on a regular basis.
However, the term has since gained popularity on the far left. Last February, when Alex Chalmers, the co-chair of the Oxford University Labour Club, resigned, alleging antisemitism among the society’s members. The frequent use of the phrase “Zio” was one of his charges.
When Shami Chakrabarti published her inquiry into “antisemitism and other forms of racism” in the Labour party, she described the epithet as “a term of abuse, pure and simple, and should not in my view have any place in the vocabulary of Labour members, whether online, in conversation or anywhere else”. This recommendation has been adopted by the Labour party, and party members can be suspended for using the term.
The term “Zio” was first popularised by the far-right, with antisemitic hate preachers such as former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke using it on a regular basis.
However, the term has since gained popularity on the far left. Last February, when Alex Chalmers, the co-chair of the Oxford University Labour Club, resigned, alleging antisemitism among the society’s members. The frequent use of the phrase “Zio” was one of his charges.
When Shami Chakrabarti published her inquiry into “antisemitism and other forms of racism” in the Labour party, she described the epithet as “a term of abuse, pure and simple, and should not in my view have any place in the vocabulary of Labour members, whether online, in conversation or anywhere else”. This recommendation has been adopted by the Labour party, and party members can be suspended for using the term.
There are antisemites. There are antisemites who use use the terms zio, or zionist is antisemitic ways. The definition of anti-zionism is constantly being modified to become ever more encompassing.. You read anti-zionist to mean someone who doesn't think Jews should have a homeland. My reading of a zionist is someone who believes Jews should live in Israel in an apartheid state occupying an area which does not respect 1967 boundaries.
Labelling the term "zio" as antisemitic only serves to whitewash the actions of Israel which in July this year passed “Nation-State” law enshrining the de facto apartheid-style discrimination and segregation practiced against the country’s Palestinian citizens in a quasi-constitutional Basic Law.
Do you think the "Nation-State" Law passed in July this year does not make Israel an apartheid state?
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:10 - Nov 2 by caught-in-limbo
There are antisemites. There are antisemites who use use the terms zio, or zionist is antisemitic ways. The definition of anti-zionism is constantly being modified to become ever more encompassing.. You read anti-zionist to mean someone who doesn't think Jews should have a homeland. My reading of a zionist is someone who believes Jews should live in Israel in an apartheid state occupying an area which does not respect 1967 boundaries.
Labelling the term "zio" as antisemitic only serves to whitewash the actions of Israel which in July this year passed “Nation-State” law enshrining the de facto apartheid-style discrimination and segregation practiced against the country’s Palestinian citizens in a quasi-constitutional Basic Law.
Do you think the "Nation-State" Law passed in July this year does not make Israel an apartheid state?
is it possible to criticise the nation state law without using the term zio? a term which is a new modern-day racist epithet and a term of abuse, pure and simple, according to (the now) baroness chakrabarti.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:22 - Nov 2 with 1668 views
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 15:16 - Nov 2 by eireblue
I think you are being a little bit unfair.
Apparently, there are a couple of vegans on the board. Some start vegan threads, some jump in when others start vegan threads, and maybe talk about their personal perspective.
The nature, style and language of a debate may become more polarized and push people apart, or maybe more constructive and build towards an understanding. Some people use emotive language.
If GB posts more about his personal journey, maybe it is an indication of something that is happening with him, as a result of these discussions and wider thoughts he may have had.
Maybe, rather than attack the person, who you acknowledge as intelligent, maybe consider what is prompting this.
I would agree that language has to be carefully used by all, otherwise divisive language just leads to more division.
Personally, I do think there is a difference between saying anti-semitism in the Labour party and anti-semites that are members of the Labour Party. One phrasing may cause people to be more protective of something they are associated with, and therefore maybe are more likely to become more defensive.
I have posted before, I am quite happy for the police to prosecute hate crime, even stuff on social media. We probably need more police to do it.
An interesting debate would be, why in times of a perceived increase in hateful speech is the government of the day not investing more in more policing of such potential crime?
Especially when such language could be a precursor to worse things.
Should any political party that aspires to have MP's and wants to stand for elections have a strict code of conduct, monitored not by themselves, but by an independent body?
In fact, it may have been a decent move by the Labour Party to have been more obviously strict themselves and use that to bash the current government with. Especially when we have police saying they don't have resources to do all the things they could do.
Not having done that is a reflection on intelligence and competence.
Just on a side note.
There was a dialogue a while back, probably sparked by Richard Dawkins, about faith schools.
What makes me concerned is that people get very polarised by use of language.
For instance from a purely religious perspective, many people think it is fine for someone to have a belief, but to try and impose it, is wrong. We live in a democracy. For instance I think his perspective is that there shouldn't be faith schools, or at least state funded ones. Labelling a child and imposing a religion on them from a very early age seemed wrong to him.
Therefore there maybe a debate to be had about religion in a secular society that embraces all faiths. And in the Richard Dawkins way of thinking, he viewed it as wrong to label children of catholics as a catholic child.
I think if you want to have that debate, why not have that debate, about religious faith.
Anyhoo, back on topic. The thing that would be interesting to know, of the people that have done anti-semitic posts on SM, that are widely propagated, do they still have accounts on the Social Media sites? Or are they being allowed to carry on.
Wasn't Stephen Current-Name-Yaxley, removed from social media? Hopefully equally repugnant users of SM are being dropped.
Haven't read the entire thread so this point nay have been made already but....
"I have posted before, I am quite happy for the police to prosecute hate crime, even stuff on social media. We probably need more police to do it.Â
An interesting debate would be, why in times of a perceived increase in hateful speech is the government of the day not investing more in more policing of such potential crime?Â
Especially when such language could be a precursor to worse things. "
.....surely not being able to say things is more likely to lead to worse things!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:10 - Nov 2 by caught-in-limbo
There are antisemites. There are antisemites who use use the terms zio, or zionist is antisemitic ways. The definition of anti-zionism is constantly being modified to become ever more encompassing.. You read anti-zionist to mean someone who doesn't think Jews should have a homeland. My reading of a zionist is someone who believes Jews should live in Israel in an apartheid state occupying an area which does not respect 1967 boundaries.
Labelling the term "zio" as antisemitic only serves to whitewash the actions of Israel which in July this year passed “Nation-State” law enshrining the de facto apartheid-style discrimination and segregation practiced against the country’s Palestinian citizens in a quasi-constitutional Basic Law.
Do you think the "Nation-State" Law passed in July this year does not make Israel an apartheid state?
I wonder if Glassers et al support the creation and international recognition of the Palestinian state as a homeland for persecuted Palestinians who also have the right to self-determination. If you support a two-state solution then it only makes sense in international law to have two recognised states to create that solution.
Why does the West continually deny the Palestinians this opportunity? It can't be because of their leadership, since, as we're told of extremists like Netenyahu, the right to self-determination for the Israelis includes being able to elect extremists into power. So to deny Palestine would be hypocritical.
Perhaps all this 'antisemitism' (or anti-Zionism) stems from this fact, Israel's hegemony and illegal actions in the ME? Wouldn't the best course of action to stop it be to lobby the British government to recognise Palestine and therefore start the process of a two-state solution?
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:17 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
is it possible to criticise the nation state law without using the term zio? a term which is a new modern-day racist epithet and a term of abuse, pure and simple, according to (the now) baroness chakrabarti.
Zio- is to Zion as Franco- is to France and Anglo- is to England.
Labelling it an offensive term only serves to increase accusations of anti-semitism in order to deflect from genuine criticisms of the state of Israel.
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:26 - Nov 2 by caught-in-limbo
Zio- is to Zion as Franco- is to France and Anglo- is to England.
Labelling it an offensive term only serves to increase accusations of anti-semitism in order to deflect from genuine criticisms of the state of Israel.
and what's the equivalent for pakistan?
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:35 - Nov 2 with 1608 views
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:17 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
is it possible to criticise the nation state law without using the term zio? a term which is a new modern-day racist epithet and a term of abuse, pure and simple, according to (the now) baroness chakrabarti.
Is this the one you usually refer to as a "whitewash" report?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:23 - Nov 2 by footers
I wonder if Glassers et al support the creation and international recognition of the Palestinian state as a homeland for persecuted Palestinians who also have the right to self-determination. If you support a two-state solution then it only makes sense in international law to have two recognised states to create that solution.
Why does the West continually deny the Palestinians this opportunity? It can't be because of their leadership, since, as we're told of extremists like Netenyahu, the right to self-determination for the Israelis includes being able to elect extremists into power. So to deny Palestine would be hypocritical.
Perhaps all this 'antisemitism' (or anti-Zionism) stems from this fact, Israel's hegemony and illegal actions in the ME? Wouldn't the best course of action to stop it be to lobby the British government to recognise Palestine and therefore start the process of a two-state solution?
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I have my own ideas on those questions but perhaps we should wait for the zionists on this board to give their own answers.
A criminal investigation has begun into antisemitism in the Labour party on 17:10 - Nov 2 by caught-in-limbo
There are antisemites. There are antisemites who use use the terms zio, or zionist is antisemitic ways. The definition of anti-zionism is constantly being modified to become ever more encompassing.. You read anti-zionist to mean someone who doesn't think Jews should have a homeland. My reading of a zionist is someone who believes Jews should live in Israel in an apartheid state occupying an area which does not respect 1967 boundaries.
Labelling the term "zio" as antisemitic only serves to whitewash the actions of Israel which in July this year passed “Nation-State” law enshrining the de facto apartheid-style discrimination and segregation practiced against the country’s Palestinian citizens in a quasi-constitutional Basic Law.
Do you think the "Nation-State" Law passed in July this year does not make Israel an apartheid state?
You don't get to define what Zionism is. It has a definition. The belief in a Jewish homeland in the land of Israel.
I am a Zionist and I believe that Israel should return to it's pre 1967 borders. I believe that the settlements are illegal. I also believe that the blockade of Gaza should end.
With regards to the Nation State Law? It was Bibi being Trumpesque by making a gesture that was fairly cosmetic. Most of its provisions were already on the law books and have been purely been restated in the new law from existing legislation. The appearance of the Israeli flag, the national anthem and the state symbol were already the subject of a law from 1949. The provision declaring Jerusalem as Israel’s capital was incorporated in full from the Basic Law on Jerusalem, the Capital of Israel.
There were parts that were dropped at the last minute. The section on reference by the courts to Jewish religious law already appears in the law on the foundations of the legal system. Also dropped was a provision that would have permitted the creation of Jewish-only communities.
Does the Nation State Law make Israel an apartheid state? No.
Arabs and other minorities are full citizens, have equal voting rights, and sit in the Knesset. Arabs serve as Ministers, Army Officers, Police officers and Judges. Universities and hospitals are also integrated.
You can go to any bar, restaurant or beach in Israel and find a mix of Jews, Arabs and other ethnic grouping.
Is Israel perfect? Absolutely not. There is certainly inequality in Israel and it's worsened under Bibi. But it's far from an apartheid state.
Sadly, a thread about racism against British Jews by members of a party that hopes to form the next government has been hijacked into a debate on the rights and wrongs of Israel. It's not a debate I want to engage in and it should be completely separate from the debate on antisemitism.
In instances such as this one I refer to David Schneider's basic test for antisemitism.
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