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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Once again the message gets lost because everyone willing to jump up and down about the word used, when everyone is clear what it means.
As a general rule, if you're trying to make a point about prejudice it's not a good idea to refer to those on the receiving end of it by using offensive terms. Tends to undermine your message, somewhat.
[Post edited 7 Mar 2019 15:34]
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
As a general rule, if you're trying to make a point about prejudice it's not a good idea to refer to those on the receiving end of it by using offensive terms. Tends to undermine your message, somewhat.
As a general rule, if you're trying to make a point about prejudice it's not a good idea to refer to those on the receiving end of it by using offensive terms. Tends to undermine your message, somewhat.
[Post edited 7 Mar 2019 15:34]
When I was growing up 'coloured' was seen the 'right' term and this was only 20 years ago - hardly a life time.
Benedict Cumberbatch recently said it in the States and got in a bit of trouble.
Someone like my Mum would think saying someone is 'coloured' is much more polite than calling them 'black'.
Main point is that not everyone can keep up with what the current 'right' word is and some of the outrage from this you'd think she'd called her the N word - when she was actually trying to help.
It doesn't need the outrage and public shaming, it needed someone to have a word with Rudd and educate/inform her.
When I was growing up 'coloured' was seen the 'right' term and this was only 20 years ago - hardly a life time.
Benedict Cumberbatch recently said it in the States and got in a bit of trouble.
Someone like my Mum would think saying someone is 'coloured' is much more polite than calling them 'black'.
Main point is that not everyone can keep up with what the current 'right' word is and some of the outrage from this you'd think she'd called her the N word - when she was actually trying to help.
It doesn't need the outrage and public shaming, it needed someone to have a word with Rudd and educate/inform her.
It was seen as wrong when I was growing up and that was longer than 20 years ago. I can certainly recall at least one primary school teacher telling us that. Mind you, I grew up in cosmopolitan Glemsford, so we may have been ahead of our time.
[Post edited 7 Mar 2019 15:42]
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
When I was growing up 'coloured' was seen the 'right' term and this was only 20 years ago - hardly a life time.
Benedict Cumberbatch recently said it in the States and got in a bit of trouble.
Someone like my Mum would think saying someone is 'coloured' is much more polite than calling them 'black'.
Main point is that not everyone can keep up with what the current 'right' word is and some of the outrage from this you'd think she'd called her the N word - when she was actually trying to help.
It doesn't need the outrage and public shaming, it needed someone to have a word with Rudd and educate/inform her.
She's a God damn cabinet minister. It isn't up to other people to educate her about race issues.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
When I was growing up 'coloured' was seen the 'right' term and this was only 20 years ago - hardly a life time.
Benedict Cumberbatch recently said it in the States and got in a bit of trouble.
Someone like my Mum would think saying someone is 'coloured' is much more polite than calling them 'black'.
Main point is that not everyone can keep up with what the current 'right' word is and some of the outrage from this you'd think she'd called her the N word - when she was actually trying to help.
It doesn't need the outrage and public shaming, it needed someone to have a word with Rudd and educate/inform her.
Coloured has been an offensive term for as long as I can remember, although I didn't grow up in Suffolk.
A cabinet minister shouldn't need telling that coloured is an offensive term. Given how she handled Windrush when she was Home Secretary and how the government handled Grenfell, which Rudd would have been a part of, the use of language like this is significant.
It is hard to keep up, but the last I heard it has now been replaced by the term "funny tinge" in Parliament*.
* The word coloured (or "colored" in American English) is particularly offensive as it was the word used in States in the USA where racial prejudice was actively supported in State Law, eg Black people not being allowed to sit on certain benches or seats on the bus, or attend certain schools or universities. As such it was a label applied to people, rather than one they took on for themselves. Some Black people use the term "Person of Colour" (abbreviated as POC). This is a self-applied label, and although it sounds similar, it is respectful for a white person to use it if the person who they refer to uses it of themselves.
It was seen as wrong when I was growing up and that was longer than 20 years ago. I can certainly recall at least one primary school teacher telling us that. Mind you, I grew up in cosmopolitan Glemsford, so we may have been ahead of our time.
[Post edited 7 Mar 2019 15:42]
Certainly wasn't in Chantry in the early 90s, it wasn't until very recently that I found out that half cast was a racist term - and one of my best friends for the last 20 years is as mixed race as you can get with a Scandinavian Mum and a Ugandan Dad.
I do think too much is made of the words said rather than the message - I just can't see anyone in todays age using 'coloured' as a term to offend.
It was seen as wrong when I was growing up and that was longer than 20 years ago. I can certainly recall at least one primary school teacher telling us that. Mind you, I grew up in cosmopolitan Glemsford, so we may have been ahead of our time.
[Post edited 7 Mar 2019 15:42]
Its been a long time since it was acceptable. - I'm 44 and have never known it to be acceptable.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Certainly wasn't in Chantry in the early 90s, it wasn't until very recently that I found out that half cast was a racist term - and one of my best friends for the last 20 years is as mixed race as you can get with a Scandinavian Mum and a Ugandan Dad.
I do think too much is made of the words said rather than the message - I just can't see anyone in todays age using 'coloured' as a term to offend.
Grew up in Chantry. Went to Chantry High. I respectfully disagree.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Once again the message gets lost because everyone willing to jump up and down about the word used, when everyone is clear what it means.
The message being that people shouldn't suffer abuse because of things they can't control?
Better chance of that message sticking if it wasn't being said by somebody who still refers to black people as 'coloured'.
It's not quite "n-word in the woodpile" level, but still remarkable that such somebody in such a senior position doesn't know better than referring to black people as coloured in a live media interview.
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