| the indicative votes set up was stupid 21:51 - Mar 27 with 2240 views | gordon |
It should have just been a ranking of preferences. Using the methods they designed if you assumed each MP has two tolerable options, there would be 3 times as many no votes as yes votes across the options. This makes it very unlikely anything would pass. |  | | |  |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 21:52 - Mar 27 with 2013 views | J2BLUE |
What is annoying is some of the options got less than 500 total votes.
What is the point if they don't all vote? |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 21:56 - Mar 27 with 1995 views | ElderGrizzly |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 21:52 - Mar 27 by J2BLUE |
What is annoying is some of the options got less than 500 total votes.
What is the point if they don't all vote? |
They abstained to keep their jobs. Party before country again as usual |  | | |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:28 - Mar 27 with 1943 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 21:56 - Mar 27 by ElderGrizzly |
They abstained to keep their jobs. Party before country again as usual |
and that should indicate a lot.
It is more they aren't prepared to stand against the party line than they can't decide.
The indicative votes show there are a few options which have potential for support maybe with some tweaking. |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:30 - Mar 27 with 1936 views | JakeITFC |
That may come on Monday.
This process isn’t finished. |  | | |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:30 - Mar 27 with 1929 views | Herbivore |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 21:52 - Mar 27 by J2BLUE |
What is annoying is some of the options got less than 500 total votes.
What is the point if they don't all vote? |
May made cabinet ministers abstain. Waste of time. |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:31 - Mar 27 with 1920 views | ElderGrizzly |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:28 - Mar 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
and that should indicate a lot.
It is more they aren't prepared to stand against the party line than they can't decide.
The indicative votes show there are a few options which have potential for support maybe with some tweaking. |
The second vote lost by 27.
27 Labour MPs voted against their own MPs motion | | | |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:32 - Mar 27 with 1908 views | SpruceMoose |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:31 - Mar 27 by ElderGrizzly |
The second vote lost by 27.
27 Labour MPs voted against their own MPs motion |
I demand names! |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:34 - Mar 27 with 1897 views | ElderGrizzly |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:32 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
I demand names! |
Another 8 just in the North West abstained. Too cowardly to vote | | | |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:35 - Mar 27 with 1890 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:31 - Mar 27 by ElderGrizzly |
The second vote lost by 27.
27 Labour MPs voted against their own MPs motion |
The mess is on all sides isn't it? | |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:37 - Mar 27 with 1877 views | SpruceMoose |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:34 - Mar 27 by ElderGrizzly |
Another 8 just in the North West abstained. Too cowardly to vote |
Then why the hell are they there? National crisis ongoing and they just look the other way? They have no business representing large numbers of the population. I dearly wish their constituents would actually notice. | |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:38 - Mar 27 with 1872 views | ElderGrizzly |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:35 - Mar 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The mess is on all sides isn't it? |
Yes, but a Labour motion where they were whipped to support it is a bit of a mess. Especially when it would have killed Theresa’s deal once and for all.
Almost like Corbyn doesn’t really want a people’s vote | | | |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:40 - Mar 27 with 1850 views | wkj |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:38 - Mar 27 by ElderGrizzly |
Yes, but a Labour motion where they were whipped to support it is a bit of a mess. Especially when it would have killed Theresa’s deal once and for all.
Almost like Corbyn doesn’t really want a people’s vote |
A lot has been said about May's leadership challenge, though I have to confess I wouldn't be surprised if one against Corbyn will be forthcoming |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:40 - Mar 27 with 1850 views | ElderGrizzly |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:37 - Mar 27 by SpruceMoose |
Then why the hell are they there? National crisis ongoing and they just look the other way? They have no business representing large numbers of the population. I dearly wish their constituents would actually notice. |
They were all from Leave supporting constituencies. So they’ve actually let them down too
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 08:42 - Mar 28 with 1723 views | flimflam |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:30 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC |
That may come on Monday.
This process isn’t finished. |
So Bercow is allowing the same thing to be voted on twice when it suits? |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 08:44 - Mar 28 with 1719 views | Herbivore |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 08:42 - Mar 28 by flimflam |
So Bercow is allowing the same thing to be voted on twice when it suits? |
Apples and oranges. | |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:07 - Mar 28 with 1692 views | Steve_M |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:30 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC |
That may come on Monday.
This process isn’t finished. |
This is the key point, It a route to finding a solution that might be acceptable to Parliament not a solution in itself. The clear direction is to a softer Brexit than May's deal, certainly with a Customs Union, maybe the Single Market too. |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:08 - Mar 28 with 1688 views | hampstead_blue |
Has there ever been a satisfactory voting system?
My MP abstained on them all. |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:30 - Mar 28 with 1676 views | Swansea_Blue |
Although you can rank preferences based on votes supporting them, which ultimately gives you a similar thing. It's only a litmus test to see where the support is, and the most popular in order were:
2. People's vote 268
1. Customs Union 264
3. Labour's plan 237
4. Common market 188
5. Revoke A50 184
6. No deal 160
7. Contingent preferential arrangements 139
8. EEA/Efta without customs union 65
Both the People's vote and "“permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU” received more support than May's MV2 vote (242) for comparison. |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:33 - Mar 28 with 1669 views | MJallday |
im calling it now, this brexit thing isnt going very well is it? |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:37 - Mar 28 with 1662 views | Steve_M |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:30 - Mar 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Although you can rank preferences based on votes supporting them, which ultimately gives you a similar thing. It's only a litmus test to see where the support is, and the most popular in order were:
2. People's vote 268
1. Customs Union 264
3. Labour's plan 237
4. Common market 188
5. Revoke A50 184
6. No deal 160
7. Contingent preferential arrangements 139
8. EEA/Efta without customs union 65
Both the People's vote and "“permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU” received more support than May's MV2 vote (242) for comparison. |
Ian Dunt has elaborated on that point in his usual clear style:
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/27/indicative-votes-a-people-s-vote-jus | |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:48 - Mar 28 with 1652 views | ZedRodgers |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 22:38 - Mar 27 by ElderGrizzly |
Yes, but a Labour motion where they were whipped to support it is a bit of a mess. Especially when it would have killed Theresa’s deal once and for all.
Almost like Corbyn doesn’t really want a people’s vote |
It's worth pointing out that Corbyn did vote for the 2nd referendum. As did Abbott, McDonnell, Starmer, Long -Bailey, Thornberry, Ashworth, Rayner, Burgon, Butler, Vaz, Healey and pretty much everyone from the shadow cabinet.
So I think Wes Streeting's comment about the shadow cabinet is nearly as misleading as you suggesting Corbyn is opposed to it.
Maybe it would be better to focus on 27 Labour MPs who voted against it rather than blaming those who voted for it? |  |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 11:03 - Mar 28 with 1610 views | JakeITFC |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 08:42 - Mar 28 by flimflam |
So Bercow is allowing the same thing to be voted on twice when it suits? |
No, as he explained quite clearly in the house last night.
This was always billed as a process of whittling down to try and see which path to take, of which last nights indicative votes was the first stage.
The third Meaningful Vote was effectively just asking the same question to the same people again with no new substance. | | | |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 11:17 - Mar 28 with 1584 views | Steve_M |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 11:03 - Mar 28 by JakeITFC |
No, as he explained quite clearly in the house last night.
This was always billed as a process of whittling down to try and see which path to take, of which last nights indicative votes was the first stage.
The third Meaningful Vote was effectively just asking the same question to the same people again with no new substance. |
This is a good thread, explaining why the media coverage of last night has been so crap.
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 12:55 - Mar 28 with 1556 views | Swansea_Blue |
I didn't get to follow it as it played out last night, so that's a really interesting take on it, thanks. | |
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| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 13:18 - Mar 28 with 1529 views | ElderGrizzly |
| the indicative votes set up was stupid on 09:48 - Mar 28 by ZedRodgers |
It's worth pointing out that Corbyn did vote for the 2nd referendum. As did Abbott, McDonnell, Starmer, Long -Bailey, Thornberry, Ashworth, Rayner, Burgon, Butler, Vaz, Healey and pretty much everyone from the shadow cabinet.
So I think Wes Streeting's comment about the shadow cabinet is nearly as misleading as you suggesting Corbyn is opposed to it.
Maybe it would be better to focus on 27 Labour MPs who voted against it rather than blaming those who voted for it? |
It’s easy to vote for something you know will never pass or isn’t law to implement. | | | |
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