| Some really worrying numbers here 09:11 - Apr 25 with 40431 views | StokieBlue |
500,000 UK children have missed a measles jab.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48039524
I know there is a tiny chance of side-effects from the vaccine but overall the huge weight of evidence is that having the vaccine is statistically far better for any individual.
We will get anecdotal evidence no doubt which counters this but anecdotal evidence is tail events not the weight of probability.
Something needs to be done.
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 09:42 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
Very encouraging numbers actually, it shows UK parents are starting to wake up to the reality that injecting documented poisons into your children is not a good idea and will certainly never make them healthy.
I note you mention the 'tiny' chance of side effects but fail to mention the also 'tiny' chance of any serious complications arising from measles in otherwise healthy individuals.
Of course, it is impossible to get a fair comparison of the risk because only a small percentage of adverse vaccine reactions are ever officially reported and those that do are often dismissed as coincidence and not accepted as a Vaccine reaction.
I also note you don't mention that getting measles offers guaranteed lifelong immunity from getting measles again whereas getting the vaccine a) does not guarantee protection at all and b) any immunity gained does not last indefinitely.
Have you had a booster of all the main vaccines yourself Stokie? (seeing as you are probably not now protected against anything you haven't had) |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 11:15 - Apr 25 with 4836 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 11:10 - Apr 25 by WeWereZombies |
Also a historical attitude towards immunisation that it 'goes against the will of God' or something, in Victorian times there actually had to be prosecutions to make people comply with treatment to prevent epidemics. Unfortunately a bit of family tree research unearthed one such case of an ancestor being summoned before the beak in Ipswich because he refused to be inoculated. A bit further afield there was a good case of someone who ignored health warnings, nice lady:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon |
Blimey!
Maybe we should stop calling them anti-vaxxers and use terms like 'plague promoters' or 'pro-diseasers' instead? |  |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 11:44 - Apr 25 with 4804 views | MattinLondon |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 11:15 - Apr 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Blimey!
Maybe we should stop calling them anti-vaxxers and use terms like 'plague promoters' or 'pro-diseasers' instead? |
What’s wrong with ‘f***** idiots’? |  | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 11:58 - Apr 25 with 4789 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 11:44 - Apr 25 by MattinLondon |
What’s wrong with ‘f***** idiots’? |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 12:37 - Apr 25 with 4767 views | WeWereZombies |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 11:15 - Apr 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Blimey!
Maybe we should stop calling them anti-vaxxers and use terms like 'plague promoters' or 'pro-diseasers' instead? |
Well there was a film called 'Dirty Harry'... |  |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 13:09 - Apr 25 with 4753 views | m14_blue |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 09:42 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
Very encouraging numbers actually, it shows UK parents are starting to wake up to the reality that injecting documented poisons into your children is not a good idea and will certainly never make them healthy.
I note you mention the 'tiny' chance of side effects but fail to mention the also 'tiny' chance of any serious complications arising from measles in otherwise healthy individuals.
Of course, it is impossible to get a fair comparison of the risk because only a small percentage of adverse vaccine reactions are ever officially reported and those that do are often dismissed as coincidence and not accepted as a Vaccine reaction.
I also note you don't mention that getting measles offers guaranteed lifelong immunity from getting measles again whereas getting the vaccine a) does not guarantee protection at all and b) any immunity gained does not last indefinitely.
Have you had a booster of all the main vaccines yourself Stokie? (seeing as you are probably not now protected against anything you haven't had) |
Scary.
A new age of ignorance is upon us. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 13:13 - Apr 25 with 4753 views | m14_blue |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 10:56 - Apr 25 by Swansea_Blue |
The next step is to cheat and cherry pick data to show what you want to show. Happens all the time.
I'm not sure what the driver is behind these anti-vaxxer conspiracies. I've never really looked into it. I understand climate change, as that's obviously something the oil and gas lobby need to fight to preserve consumption of their product. But anti-vax? It must simply be pure paranoia similar to the flat earthers. Dunno. |
Idiots being idiots. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 13:32 - Apr 25 with 4737 views | jjblue84 |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 09:42 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
Very encouraging numbers actually, it shows UK parents are starting to wake up to the reality that injecting documented poisons into your children is not a good idea and will certainly never make them healthy.
I note you mention the 'tiny' chance of side effects but fail to mention the also 'tiny' chance of any serious complications arising from measles in otherwise healthy individuals.
Of course, it is impossible to get a fair comparison of the risk because only a small percentage of adverse vaccine reactions are ever officially reported and those that do are often dismissed as coincidence and not accepted as a Vaccine reaction.
I also note you don't mention that getting measles offers guaranteed lifelong immunity from getting measles again whereas getting the vaccine a) does not guarantee protection at all and b) any immunity gained does not last indefinitely.
Have you had a booster of all the main vaccines yourself Stokie? (seeing as you are probably not now protected against anything you haven't had) |
The poster might well be wrong but it’s not abuse, silly TWTD! |  | | |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 14:23 - Apr 25 with 4721 views | MattinLondon |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 13:09 - Apr 25 by m14_blue |
Scary.
A new age of ignorance is upon us. |
Yep- pretty sure that in a previous post he mentioned he has kids. Scary indeed. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 14:41 - Apr 25 with 4716 views | SpruceMoose |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 09:42 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
Very encouraging numbers actually, it shows UK parents are starting to wake up to the reality that injecting documented poisons into your children is not a good idea and will certainly never make them healthy.
I note you mention the 'tiny' chance of side effects but fail to mention the also 'tiny' chance of any serious complications arising from measles in otherwise healthy individuals.
Of course, it is impossible to get a fair comparison of the risk because only a small percentage of adverse vaccine reactions are ever officially reported and those that do are often dismissed as coincidence and not accepted as a Vaccine reaction.
I also note you don't mention that getting measles offers guaranteed lifelong immunity from getting measles again whereas getting the vaccine a) does not guarantee protection at all and b) any immunity gained does not last indefinitely.
Have you had a booster of all the main vaccines yourself Stokie? (seeing as you are probably not now protected against anything you haven't had) |
I always have tried to debate this with you respectfully. But your post has crossed a line I'm afraid. You're stupid and dangerous. |  |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 15:34 - Apr 25 with 4671 views | Swansea_Blue |
Sacrifice another goat, that'll sort it. | |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:26 - Apr 25 with 4655 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 10:43 - Apr 25 by StokieBlue |
We’ve been over this. The vaccine reduces the chances of getting measles but it’s not 100%. It likely helped you fight the disease as your body already had some idea what to do.
Why do you think that the immune response is maintained over time if you get measles but isn’t maintained over time if you have the vaccine?
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Its a proven fact that you cannot get measles twice. Its also a proven fact that the vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity at all in everybody so therefore it stands to reason it cannot guarantee lifelong immunity. |  | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:27 - Apr 25 with 4653 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 13:09 - Apr 25 by m14_blue |
Scary.
A new age of ignorance is upon us. |
I know, I am trying to help but some of you are very hard work. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:30 - Apr 25 with 4647 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 13:32 - Apr 25 by jjblue84 |
The poster might well be wrong but it’s not abuse, silly TWTD! |
Its ok, I understand that people get angry when confronted with views that go against the lies they have been sold, it hurts. I'm sure admin will see that there was zero abuse and reprimand the plonker concerned for wasting their time. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:34 - Apr 25 with 4641 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 10:36 - Apr 25 by BlueBadger |
You see that BIG drop-off around 1968? That's when the vaccine was introduced. The numbers are overwhelmingly showing the opposite to what you think they do and supporting the notion that vaccines, in conjunction with improved healthcare and public health legislation, prevent deaths. [Post edited 25 Apr 2019 11:02]
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It was introduced in 1963 in the states and 64 over here but don't let facts concern you.
The graphs show a steady decline was already ongoing well before the vaccine was introduced. Any drop in 1968 was in spite of the vaccine not because of. I invite you to prove otherwise. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:39 - Apr 25 with 4626 views | StokieBlue |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:26 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
Its a proven fact that you cannot get measles twice. Its also a proven fact that the vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity at all in everybody so therefore it stands to reason it cannot guarantee lifelong immunity. |
That statement is false.
It either protects you or it doesn't. It doesn't protect you for a bit and then stop working so please stop misrepresenting facts. The immune response is the same in both instances, you can't claim it works in one and not the other.
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:40 - Apr 25 with 4625 views | BlueBadger |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:34 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
It was introduced in 1963 in the states and 64 over here but don't let facts concern you.
The graphs show a steady decline was already ongoing well before the vaccine was introduced. Any drop in 1968 was in spite of the vaccine not because of. I invite you to prove otherwise. |
!963 was the first licened vaccine, 1968 was a refined, improved vaccine. So, essentially, the first generation of vaccines wasn't effective, the second, very.
Remind me again of the last time someone died of polio or smallpox? |  |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:42 - Apr 25 with 4624 views | BlueBadger |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:27 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
I know, I am trying to help but some of you are very hard work. |
All those irritating facts and hard data keep getting in the way, eh? | |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:44 - Apr 25 with 4621 views | StokieBlue |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:40 - Apr 25 by BlueBadger |
!963 was the first licened vaccine, 1968 was a refined, improved vaccine. So, essentially, the first generation of vaccines wasn't effective, the second, very.
Remind me again of the last time someone died of polio or smallpox? |
Interestingly it was 1978 and actually in the UK. It was also caused by a laboratory research sample since the virus was gone in the wild due to having very few vectors of infection due to herd immunity.
Only if you believe herd immunity works of course.
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:49 - Apr 25 with 4618 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 14:41 - Apr 25 by SpruceMoose |
I always have tried to debate this with you respectfully. But your post has crossed a line I'm afraid. You're stupid and dangerous. |
Dangerous for posting a view different to yours on the internet, good one. Besides, you must be mistaking me for a poster that gives any actual fvcks about what you think. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 17:04 - Apr 25 with 4603 views | giant_stow |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:49 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
Dangerous for posting a view different to yours on the internet, good one. Besides, you must be mistaking me for a poster that gives any actual fvcks about what you think. |
Assuming you're right, can I ask why the medical community would be misleading everybody on this? I don't understand whats in it for them.... |  |
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| Some really worrying numbers here on 17:08 - Apr 25 with 4599 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:40 - Apr 25 by BlueBadger |
!963 was the first licened vaccine, 1968 was a refined, improved vaccine. So, essentially, the first generation of vaccines wasn't effective, the second, very.
Remind me again of the last time someone died of polio or smallpox? |
There is not even a vaccine for smallpox anymore so not sure how that is relevant, of course I am sure you believe not only that the vaccine saved everybody but that it also wiped out the virus for eternity.
As for Polio well that's a big can of worms to open in itself but we'll save that for another day. | | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 17:23 - Apr 25 with 4598 views | PhilTWTD |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 16:30 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
Its ok, I understand that people get angry when confronted with views that go against the lies they have been sold, it hurts. I'm sure admin will see that there was zero abuse and reprimand the plonker concerned for wasting their time. |
Admin thinks it's perfectly understandable that people would report potentially dangerous falsehoods as abuse. |  | | |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 17:24 - Apr 25 with 4591 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Some really worrying numbers here on 10:32 - Apr 25 by Harry_Palmer |
I think you might find that mortality rates were already on a steep decline well before the measles vaccine was introduced.
I think you might also find access to better food, clean drinking water, improved sanitation, and less overcrowded and better living conditions may just have played a little part as well.
Seeing as you seem to struggle with the whole 'thinking' bit, here are some 'facts' to help you out a bit. You can thank me later.
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ |
The nature of human risk perception may also contribute to a preference for disease over the vaccine. A study showed that parents judged symptoms following vaccination as more severe than when the very same symptoms occurred during a disease . This bias occurs because humans tend to regret negative outcomes that result from their own actions more — because they feel guilty — than when the same outcomes occur due to inaction — because it’s fate. This effect can cause minor safety concerns to have disproportionately detrimental effects on vaccine uptake. Understanding this bias can help to make less biased decisions .
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https://ecdc.europa.eu/en/measles/prevention-and-control/addressing-misconceptio |  | | |
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