| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... 11:51 - Jun 18 with 8434 views | Herbivore |
How do you begin to reason with people prepared to let the country burn and the union disintegrate to bring about something that I've struggled to see anyone articulate the tangible benefits of? |  |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:42 - Jun 18 with 3452 views | footers |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:25 - Jun 18 by factual_blue |
Let's not forget so many leading tories in 1940 would have been happy to agree peace with Hitler.
The leading one, of course, being Lord Halifax, whose throat Michael Foot* said he would happily have slit had the Germans arrived.
*Michael Foot, like so many 'commies', was a member of the 'stay behind' resistance who would have gone off-grid in the event of occupation to perform acts of near-suicidal resistance. |
I certainly would have done.
The same is true of the French resistance, the majority of whom were communist party members. |  |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:45 - Jun 18 with 3439 views | ROKERITE |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:42 - Jun 18 by ROKERITE |
And don't forget how many socialists were members of The Peace Pledge Union in the 1930's, attacking Churchill as a warmonger when he was warning of the Nazi threat.
Nor how many on the left opposed the war effort before June, 1945 because Stalin was in a pact with Hitler. |
Edit June, 1941 of course. |  | | |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:46 - Jun 18 with 3435 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 12:57 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
It's thoroughly depressing. Brexit is more important than peace on the island of Ireland but not as important as keeping Labour out of power.
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It is truly abysmal small mindedness by a large bunch of little Englanders who have been conned and led by a small self interested elite |  | | |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:50 - Jun 18 with 3421 views | footers |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:46 - Jun 18 by reusersfreekicks |
It is truly abysmal small mindedness by a large bunch of little Englanders who have been conned and led by a small self interested elite |
Are you suggesting that former stock broker and current career politician Nigel Farage is part of a self-interested elite? My word. | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:00 - Jun 18 with 3327 views | GeoffSentence |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 12:12 - Jun 18 by pickles110564 |
Not quite true, we as voters put the Tories in power and will be able to kick them out very soon as Boris will have to go for a GE to get Brexit through. |
I am sure that for consistency and decency's sake he will invoke a general election at the first possible opportunity.
After this was his view on the matter of Gordon Brown taking over as PM without a general election
"They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac"
By extension this all applies to the position of the net Tory leader, they will have gained the top job through 'a palace coup, it will be a 'stitch-up' and democratically improper.
Naturally if he is chosen BoJo will do the decent thing and go to the country. |  |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:06 - Jun 18 with 3313 views | Swansea_Blue |
More detail in their tweet announcing the survey
Other noticeable headlines:
- More worried about Brexit party than Labour
- Little interest in domestic policies, just brexit
- Huge support for a leader who'll offer no deal
- They regret not appointing Leadsom as leader in 2016
Mad as a box of frogs.
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:06 - Jun 18 with 3312 views | Herbivore |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:00 - Jun 18 by GeoffSentence |
I am sure that for consistency and decency's sake he will invoke a general election at the first possible opportunity.
After this was his view on the matter of Gordon Brown taking over as PM without a general election
"They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac"
By extension this all applies to the position of the net Tory leader, they will have gained the top job through 'a palace coup, it will be a 'stitch-up' and democratically improper.
Naturally if he is chosen BoJo will do the decent thing and go to the country. |
I wouldn't entirely rule it out. Although time is tight in respect of the Brexit deadline, he must know his best chance of a majority will be now, with Corbyn's stock pretty low and before everyone has realised what an incompetent feckwit Boris is. | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:10 - Jun 18 with 3305 views | GeoffSentence |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:10 - Jun 18 by DanTheMan |
That's what I really don't get.
The biggest criticism generally laid at Corbyn has been that he would do significant damage to the economy which they don't want.
But they are happy to do that same damage to the economy for Brexit? |
Because in a brexit inflicted disaster the rich and powerful would remain rich and powerful. In a corbyn inflicted disaster they would not. | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:16 - Jun 18 with 3296 views | Herbivore |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:06 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
More detail in their tweet announcing the survey
Other noticeable headlines:
- More worried about Brexit party than Labour
- Little interest in domestic policies, just brexit
- Huge support for a leader who'll offer no deal
- They regret not appointing Leadsom as leader in 2016
Mad as a box of frogs.
[Post edited 18 Jun 2019 16:09]
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What world are they living in ffs? Bonkers. | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:13 - Jun 18 with 3245 views | jaykay |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 12:30 - Jun 18 by pickles110564 |
I just love how you make this stuff up, always makes me chuckle that others on here fall for it. |
you should know about making stuff , you are a expert at that |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:22 - Jun 18 with 3235 views | wkj |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 12:30 - Jun 18 by pickles110564 |
I just love how you make this stuff up, always makes me chuckle that others on here fall for it. |
I'm not sure you're the best advocate for what is and isn't made up, i mean you did claim to vote leave and remain - your words, not mine. |  |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:37 - Jun 18 with 3223 views | ROKERITE |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 16:10 - Jun 18 by GeoffSentence |
Because in a brexit inflicted disaster the rich and powerful would remain rich and powerful. In a corbyn inflicted disaster they would not. |
Most of the rich and powerful would have moved their money out of the country before Corbyn and his cronies could get their grubby hands on it.
It would be the poor and vulnerable who'd suffer like it always is when hard-line socialists are in charge. | | | |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:38 - Jun 18 with 3220 views | Herbivore |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:37 - Jun 18 by ROKERITE |
Most of the rich and powerful would have moved their money out of the country before Corbyn and his cronies could get their grubby hands on it.
It would be the poor and vulnerable who'd suffer like it always is when hard-line socialists are in charge. |
When was the last time a hard-line socialist was PM in the UK? | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:43 - Jun 18 with 3213 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:38 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
When was the last time a hard-line socialist was PM in the UK? |
Damn you and your facts! |  |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:49 - Jun 18 with 3200 views | ROKERITE |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 13:42 - Jun 18 by footers |
I certainly would have done.
The same is true of the French resistance, the majority of whom were communist party members. |
Communists have been responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the last hundred years. Even a monster like Hitler didn't kill as many. In fact the brutality of Stalin's Red Army was such that the Nazis tried to take the moral high ground (obviously they couldn't) when they advanced into Eastern Poland and found the tens of thousands of corpses of Polish officers and intelligentsia butchered by Russian troops.
Communism and fascism, Nazi and Soviet, two sides of the same coin.
You're clearly an admirer of Michael Foot. He had a brilliant mind and was a wonderful orator. Unfortunately the only thing I agreed with him about was The E.U., he loathed it from its inception and had he been around now would have been a leading Brexiteer. | | | |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:51 - Jun 18 with 3190 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Is there any data on whether Tory membership has increased significantly in the last year up until 3 months ago with an influx of FarageKippermentumists? |  |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:52 - Jun 18 with 3180 views | ROKERITE |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:38 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
When was the last time a hard-line socialist was PM in the UK? |
Fortunately they never have. We've been given countless examples of it around the world. | | | |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:03 - Jun 18 with 3153 views | Herbivore |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:52 - Jun 18 by ROKERITE |
Fortunately they never have. We've been given countless examples of it around the world. |
Hmmm, so you can't actually provide any evidence of hard-line socialists causing poverty in the UK then?
You'd have probably considered Attlee's government to be hard-line socialists if that's how you view Corbyn. Attlee funded policies to reduce inequality by nationalising utilities and other industries. How did that work out for the poor in this country? Pretty well as it goes, they ensured that health care was free for all at the point of need by creating the NHS. They also created the welfare state, again benefitting the poor. | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:36 - Jun 18 with 3109 views | WeWereZombies |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:38 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
When was the last time a hard-line socialist was PM in the UK? |
Clement Attlee 1945-1951?
Under his leadership the NHS was established, post-war house building programme carried out, full employment close to achieved, end of Empire diplomatically managed. He had some surprising admirers:
'Thatcher herself wrote in her 1995 memoirs, which charted her beginnings in Grantham to her victory at the 1979 general election, that she admired Attlee, writing: "Of Clement Attlee, however, I was an admirer. He was a serious man and a patriot. Quite contrary to the general tendency of politicians in the 1990s, he was all substance and no show."'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Attlee#Legacy |  |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:39 - Jun 18 with 3104 views | Herbivore |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:36 - Jun 18 by WeWereZombies |
Clement Attlee 1945-1951?
Under his leadership the NHS was established, post-war house building programme carried out, full employment close to achieved, end of Empire diplomatically managed. He had some surprising admirers:
'Thatcher herself wrote in her 1995 memoirs, which charted her beginnings in Grantham to her victory at the 1979 general election, that she admired Attlee, writing: "Of Clement Attlee, however, I was an admirer. He was a serious man and a patriot. Quite contrary to the general tendency of politicians in the 1990s, he was all substance and no show."'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Attlee#Legacy |
Yep, see my further reply to our Mackem friend. | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:46 - Jun 18 with 3094 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:03 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
Hmmm, so you can't actually provide any evidence of hard-line socialists causing poverty in the UK then?
You'd have probably considered Attlee's government to be hard-line socialists if that's how you view Corbyn. Attlee funded policies to reduce inequality by nationalising utilities and other industries. How did that work out for the poor in this country? Pretty well as it goes, they ensured that health care was free for all at the point of need by creating the NHS. They also created the welfare state, again benefitting the poor. |
FYI The NHS was conceived under Churchill's watch by Beveridge, who was a Liberal.
The Tories announced the NHS plan a year before Labour.
https://www.britishpathe.com/video/a-healthier-britain/query/Henry
Atlee, as a patriot, also founded NATO, took the UK into the Korean war and developed our nuclear deterrent. So completely different to Corbyn. [Post edited 18 Jun 2019 18:56]
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:46 - Jun 18 with 3088 views | footers |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:03 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
Hmmm, so you can't actually provide any evidence of hard-line socialists causing poverty in the UK then?
You'd have probably considered Attlee's government to be hard-line socialists if that's how you view Corbyn. Attlee funded policies to reduce inequality by nationalising utilities and other industries. How did that work out for the poor in this country? Pretty well as it goes, they ensured that health care was free for all at the point of need by creating the NHS. They also created the welfare state, again benefitting the poor. |
If not the best PM, certainly the best government we've had. | |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:54 - Jun 18 with 3060 views | HolyGoalie |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:46 - Jun 18 by footers |
If not the best PM, certainly the best government we've had. |
Just like Corbyn will be the best PM we've never had, brilliant understanding of foreign policy and continually drug through the much because of it. |  |
| Ipswich by the grace of gloves |
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| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 18:55 - Jun 18 with 3053 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Blimey, Tory party members might be worse than the MPs.... on 17:37 - Jun 18 by ROKERITE |
Most of the rich and powerful would have moved their money out of the country before Corbyn and his cronies could get their grubby hands on it.
It would be the poor and vulnerable who'd suffer like it always is when hard-line socialists are in charge. |
Not sure how you can post that with a straight face given the amount of money leaving the UK lately. | |
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