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In this longer version of the video, you can see the woman apparently posing no immediate threat as she passes behind Mark Field. He marches her out of the room by her neck. I wasn’t there, so I can’t say she didn’t pose a risk, but it looks heavy handed. pic.twitter.com/zX2BtcPW4t
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:11 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
There's no way a nutter could go in pretending to be a member of Greenpeace? No way she could've been concealing a knife?
She got into a place she shouldn't have been, with high ranking people literally in touching distance. That's a threat IMO. The Jo Cox case proves it.
The fact that I'm defending a Tory shows there is a defence to be had.
I wonder - if someone had got that close to the Queen, would the response have been similar (man or woman) and would you still be saying it's indefensible?
Jo Cox was killed in cold blood in public by a man carrying a gun and a knife. Stop dishonouring her memory by using her name to justify violence against women.
I have no idea why you're defending his actions to be honest, but the fact you're doing so doesn't make them any more defensible.
Watch the video, there is no evidence of threat in her behaviour. There is nothing to corroborate that he feels threatened. You are inventing a defence for him.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:11 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
There's no way a nutter could go in pretending to be a member of Greenpeace? No way she could've been concealing a knife?
She got into a place she shouldn't have been, with high ranking people literally in touching distance. That's a threat IMO. The Jo Cox case proves it.
The fact that I'm defending a Tory shows there is a defence to be had.
I wonder - if someone had got that close to the Queen, would the response have been similar (man or woman) and would you still be saying it's indefensible?
I get what you're saying, but the angle you're taking with this is opening the door to all kinds of abuses of power in my opinion. You can look around the people in that room. It's not an atmosphere of fear. This is a case of a bully showing off, outraged at the temerity of a pleb.
Your third paragraph only applies if your saying you're always right btw.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:15 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
Not at all. If I were a nutter planning on attacking a politician this would be a boost to me, thinking that there will now be a moment where the politician hesitates to react for fear of being labelled a thug/bully/losing their job.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 11:53 - Jun 22 by SpruceMoose
"She was coming right at me, looking all kinds of impoverished, waving a stack of leaflets around I had to save everyone from that!"
He didn't attack her out of fear. Look at his face. He's attacked her out of sheer annoyance and outrage that she has dared to disrupt their privileged safe space.
You can't possibly know what's going on inside his head.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:15 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
Not at all. If I were a nutter planning on attacking a politician this would be a boost to me, thinking that there will now be a moment where the politician hesitates to react for fear of being labelled a thug/bully/losing their job.
Can't believe you can't see the possibility.
It's not as black and white as that.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:17 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
You can't possibly know what's going on inside his head.
You're claiming to though?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
So the Mark Field incident then... on 11:55 - Jun 22 by Herbivore
When he threw her out in the street he told her that this is what happens when people like you interrupt our dinner. Not exactly the response of someone in fear of their life, more an entitled prick doubling down on his right to assault someone for briefly spoiling his evening.
Is that what he actually said? I haven't seen that. This changes things if true.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:18 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
Is that what he actually said? I haven't seen that. This changes things if true.
It was in the report. I read it somewhere at least. Also mentioned a woman saying something to her as she was thrown out too. I'll see if I can find it.
Edit - Janet Barker herself reports it. Believe what you will.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:17 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
You can't possibly know what's going on inside his head.
I'd say his words are a pretty good indication of what is going on inside his head, and he told her as he threw her out into the street that this is what happens to people like her when they interrupt dinner. Does that sound like someone scared? If he thought she was armed then why did he escort her all the way out himself rather than hand her over to the trained security in attendance. I feel like you've just gone into doubling down mode now.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:07 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe
He didn't tr and stop her and restrain her, he physically humiliated and bullied her - totally OTT. If he had actually completed a 'security move' on her then your case would have more merit to it - he didn't.
If she was a nutter with a knife, he'd have been stabbed - he knew she wasn't and the fact anyone allows that to be a part of the narrative says more about them.
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What does it say about me? He could have marched her out before she had chance to pull a knife out.
He didn't complete a 'security move'?! What a daft argument - he isn't a security guard. I've been marched out of a club like that by a bouncer in my youth.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:22 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
What does it say about me? He could have marched her out before she had chance to pull a knife out.
He didn't complete a 'security move'?! What a daft argument - he isn't a security guard. I've been marched out of a club like that by a bouncer in my youth.
After five hours of pulling the robot on the dance floor I imagine it was for your own safety!
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:15 - Jun 22 by Herbivore
Jo Cox was killed in cold blood in public by a man carrying a gun and a knife. Stop dishonouring her memory by using her name to justify violence against women.
I have no idea why you're defending his actions to be honest, but the fact you're doing so doesn't make them any more defensible.
Watch the video, there is no evidence of threat in her behaviour. There is nothing to corroborate that he feels threatened. You are inventing a defence for him.
"Stop dishonouring her memory by using her name to justify violence against women."
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:27 - Jun 22 by Ryorry
No, and your continuing to interpret it as that when I've now twice specifically said it **wasn't**, is poor.
I think it's legitimate to question why you'd include possible mitigation if you're not seeking to defend him. Either you think it could have been a mitigating circumstance in this case or you're reluctant to admit you were wrong, so instead you are using it to mitigate your original position on this thread.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:27 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
No, where?
You're certain he's acting in self defense. I'm certain he's not. There's no way we will ever know what was going on in his head. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I think you're wrong. Do you get what I mean?
It's a judgement call. I personally believe that, having watched the video, read the comments, thought about the history of how the privileged react when the masses burst their bubble, what we are seeing from Mark Field is an indignant tantrum.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:30 - Jun 22 by Herbivore
I think it's legitimate to question why you'd include possible mitigation if you're not seeking to defend him. Either you think it could have been a mitigating circumstance in this case or you're reluctant to admit you were wrong, so instead you are using it to mitigate your original position on this thread.
For goodness sake, I've already admitted I was wrong in this case! and then made a **specific** point that I deliverately said was a **general** one!
All you're doing here is demonstrating how much you're prepared to twist what other people say should they have actually dared to disagree with your pov originally.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:22 - Jun 22 by BrixtonBlue
What does it say about me? He could have marched her out before she had chance to pull a knife out.
He didn't complete a 'security move'?! What a daft argument - he isn't a security guard. I've been marched out of a club like that by a bouncer in my youth.
So the Mark Field incident then... on 12:34 - Jun 22 by Ryorry
For goodness sake, I've already admitted I was wrong in this case! and then made a **specific** point that I deliverately said was a **general** one!
All you're doing here is demonstrating how much you're prepared to twist what other people say should they have actually dared to disagree with your pov originally.
If that's what you think is going on here you're entitled to that opinion. I disagree.
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