| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:56 - Jan 14 with 1383 views | Kieran_Knows |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:54 - Jan 14 by PrideOfTheEast |
We got significantly more than that for Webster all in though didn't we. But I agree we should have got even more.
There will be chaos on here if Woolfie goes, largely from the same people who said going down would be a good thing. No L1 club would be able to stop a player going to a premier league team if a decent offer is on the table. |
I think the question would be, how much, if any, of the transfer fee would be reinvested? All the sell's on we had this summer, and albeit 500k for KVY, the rest went against covering the losses for this season. |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:00 - Jan 14 with 1361 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:56 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
I think the question would be, how much, if any, of the transfer fee would be reinvested? All the sell's on we had this summer, and albeit 500k for KVY, the rest went against covering the losses for this season. |
I agree and presumbaly the club is fully aware that fans would expect to see a big chunk of it spent on transfer fees. Evans will have other ideas obviously, as most people would who are all of sudden several million worse off. |  | | |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:01 - Jan 14 with 1362 views | crossyitfc |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:13 - Jan 14 by unstableblue |
Agreed. Its easy for us to blame the club for selling a player, especially a young one before value is realised, but we don't see the pressure from the player and his agent.
To be fair the club did hold out on Judge - different circumstances - but clearly in that case the player was promoting the move. Hopefully Judge can start repaying our investment.
I personally think The Wolf still needs some development in the Championship; massive step to Premier League, despite his obvious talents. His forward running and getting to the byline- which he's done a few times this season - makes him a bit unique. |
I envisage an immediate loan deal back to us or a Championship side for the remainder of the season? |  | | |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:01 - Jan 14 with 1359 views | chicoazul |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:56 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
I think the question would be, how much, if any, of the transfer fee would be reinvested? All the sell's on we had this summer, and albeit 500k for KVY, the rest went against covering the losses for this season. |
Many people have told us on here over the last few years that using incoming transfer fees to pay wages/club costs is, in fact, investment. Mad I know but there it is. |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:01 - Jan 14 with 1359 views | itfcjoe |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:56 - Jan 14 by Kieran_Knows |
I think the question would be, how much, if any, of the transfer fee would be reinvested? All the sell's on we had this summer, and albeit 500k for KVY, the rest went against covering the losses for this season. |
Not much would be, maybe a couple of fees in the region of what we paid for KVY. But then everyone knows we have money and a deal is harder to do so a catch 22.
I think people underestimate how difficult it will be to keep a player here if there is firm interest from a PL club |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:07 - Jan 14 with 1331 views | Pinewoodblue |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:01 - Jan 14 by itfcjoe |
Not much would be, maybe a couple of fees in the region of what we paid for KVY. But then everyone knows we have money and a deal is harder to do so a catch 22.
I think people underestimate how difficult it will be to keep a player here if there is firm interest from a PL club |
Any available cash would probably go Everton’s way. |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:10 - Jan 14 with 1318 views | Bluefish |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:01 - Jan 14 by itfcjoe |
Not much would be, maybe a couple of fees in the region of what we paid for KVY. But then everyone knows we have money and a deal is harder to do so a catch 22.
I think people underestimate how difficult it will be to keep a player here if there is firm interest from a PL club |
If you borrow £900 and then sell something for £1000. You have £100 to spend not £1000 |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:14 - Jan 14 with 1305 views | Guthrum |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:52 - Jan 14 by NthQldITFC |
I don't disagree with you and chicoazul, I just *hope* money is less of a driving factor to him and the club for the moment, (as opposed to career development and promotion). I do recognise that these views may not be entirely realistic! |
But even his career development could well be boosted by moving. I'm not sure this idea that he will improve by staying at Ipswich rather than going to train in a Prem setup, with higher-rated coaches and better players to learn from, plus the chance to get at least some games in the top tier or latter stages of cup competitions, really holds water. After all, he'd be going to SheffU, not some kleptomaniac talent hole like Chelsea.
He's not a youngster, bought on spec to see whether or not he develops and liable to vanish into the youth team or out on loan, but an already well-rounded player in his early twenties being hired for his specific skillset, as a member of someone's first team squad. |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:20 - Jan 14 with 1291 views | GeoffSentence |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 09:10 - Jan 14 by Bluefish |
Which young players do you mean that we havent got great fees for? |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:24 - Jan 14 with 1280 views | GeoffSentence |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:10 - Jan 14 by Bluefish |
If you borrow £900 and then sell something for £1000. You have £100 to spend not £1000 |
No, you £1900 to spend.
Some of it will need to be paid back later, but you still have all the money you borrowed and the money you earned in your pocket. | |
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| FFS on 10:25 - Jan 14 with 1276 views | Dyland |
Not really too surprising though.
Er, pleeeeease stay?
That's about all we can do :) |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:26 - Jan 14 with 1268 views | Bluefish |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:24 - Jan 14 by GeoffSentence |
No, you £1900 to spend.
Some of it will need to be paid back later, but you still have all the money you borrowed and the money you earned in your pocket. |
That is exactly how many of our fans view it but they don't think it should ever be paid back and it should be available every year | |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:30 - Jan 14 with 1248 views | Herbivore |
I do think this is one where we need to hold firm if we can, and I realise part of that will come down to Woolfy himself and whether he's willing to sit tight. £3m makes very little difference to us, but if we go up and he has a good season he becomes a player worth £10m plus. That is a sum of money that makes a difference to us, it covers any losses and still leaves money to reinvest. Same goes with Downes. I understand player power plays a huge part but one of the reasons we've not been able to spend in the Championship is that we've often sold at the wrong time and so haven't brought in any massive fees for any of our players. Even £8.5m for Mings left just a bit of change after covering our losses for the year. We need to be able to take advantage of the silly money in the Prem and bring in £20m for one or two of our young talents. That's the sort of cash that let's you do something these days. |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:32 - Jan 14 with 1242 views | Parsley |
Playing devils advocate a bit here but people saying quite rightly that we could get more for him if we get promoted back to the Championship and he does well there. Surely Sheffield Utd will also know that and that will be all the more reason for them to buy now than potentially in the summer? The numbers are all speculative but say his value is £3m and they pay over the odds now to something like £4-5m we'd probably take it (and hopefully reinvest) whereas if Sheffield don't 'overpay' now then they might be looking at something more like £10m in the summer. They could loan him to a championship team and have a more developed player ready to go for next season. |  | | |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:34 - Jan 14 with 1231 views | Bluefish |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:30 - Jan 14 by Herbivore |
I do think this is one where we need to hold firm if we can, and I realise part of that will come down to Woolfy himself and whether he's willing to sit tight. £3m makes very little difference to us, but if we go up and he has a good season he becomes a player worth £10m plus. That is a sum of money that makes a difference to us, it covers any losses and still leaves money to reinvest. Same goes with Downes. I understand player power plays a huge part but one of the reasons we've not been able to spend in the Championship is that we've often sold at the wrong time and so haven't brought in any massive fees for any of our players. Even £8.5m for Mings left just a bit of change after covering our losses for the year. We need to be able to take advantage of the silly money in the Prem and bring in £20m for one or two of our young talents. That's the sort of cash that let's you do something these days. |
The way you say 3 million makes little difference makes me think that you don't understand that someone has to pay the Bill's every year. It isn't just pretend that we run at a 5 or 6 million loss, someone has to pay it out every year. This year could be worse so that 3 million might be they "only" lose the same this year instead of 3 million more | |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:34 - Jan 14 with 1233 views | Gooders7592 |
£3m + a sell on clause is too good for us to turn down unfortunately and Shef Utd are the perfect club for him. | | | |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:40 - Jan 14 with 1211 views | Herbivore |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:34 - Jan 14 by Bluefish |
The way you say 3 million makes little difference makes me think that you don't understand that someone has to pay the Bill's every year. It isn't just pretend that we run at a 5 or 6 million loss, someone has to pay it out every year. This year could be worse so that 3 million might be they "only" lose the same this year instead of 3 million more |
It makes no difference to anyone other than Evans. £3m will offset his losses, that's all. A much bigger fee enables reinvestment. If you couldn't get that subtext from my post it's no wonder you've been getting your arse handed to you by the likes of Keaneish lately. | |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:44 - Jan 14 with 1198 views | Bluefish |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:40 - Jan 14 by Herbivore |
It makes no difference to anyone other than Evans. £3m will offset his losses, that's all. A much bigger fee enables reinvestment. If you couldn't get that subtext from my post it's no wonder you've been getting your arse handed to you by the likes of Keaneish lately. |
If makes no difference to anyone apart from the man that owns the club and he is solely responsible for our existence and the way we run. No one important then
The last line is comical, i should be offended but you went for the wrong poster and it just got silly. Worth reading his post on this thread too, incredible how anyone gets everything so wrong | |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:48 - Jan 14 with 1180 views | Guthrum |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:01 - Jan 14 by crossyitfc |
I envisage an immediate loan deal back to us or a Championship side for the remainder of the season? |
Very much doubt he'll be loaned anywhere. They're (according to the article) buying Woolfenden for a specific position - as cover at the very least - so there'd be no point in immediately sending him away again. | |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:51 - Jan 14 with 1177 views | lmfcblue |
What a great opportunity for him if true, playing in the prem x3/4 his wages and playing for Chris Wilder! | | | |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:51 - Jan 14 with 1173 views | Herbivore |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:44 - Jan 14 by Bluefish |
If makes no difference to anyone apart from the man that owns the club and he is solely responsible for our existence and the way we run. No one important then
The last line is comical, i should be offended but you went for the wrong poster and it just got silly. Worth reading his post on this thread too, incredible how anyone gets everything so wrong |
Maybe you care whether ME sticks in £3m or £6m to cover our shortfall. I'm not that bothered really, it's his money and his call ultimately. I'm sure he'll weigh up whether a smaller loss whilst losing one of our major assets is preferable to keeping a major asset and losing a few million more. It's something he's had to weigh up plenty of times before. My point is that for the club as a whole in terms of growth and reinvestment a fee like £3m makes no real difference as it will be absorbed by offsetting a loss that ME is otherwise happy to cover in full. It needs to be a much bigger fee to actually have an impact on the club rather than just the owner's pocket. | |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:51 - Jan 14 with 1175 views | Superfrans |
This is entirely speculative, it seems to me. Any of us could have written this piece.
The question to ask is not what Sheff Utd might be willing to offer, more what we might be willing to accept.
The only other consideration beyond that is whether this is likely to turn Woolfie's head. And everyone says he's so laid back as to almost be lying down, so it seems unlikely it would distract him. |  |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:55 - Jan 14 with 1156 views | Bluefish |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:51 - Jan 14 by Herbivore |
Maybe you care whether ME sticks in £3m or £6m to cover our shortfall. I'm not that bothered really, it's his money and his call ultimately. I'm sure he'll weigh up whether a smaller loss whilst losing one of our major assets is preferable to keeping a major asset and losing a few million more. It's something he's had to weigh up plenty of times before. My point is that for the club as a whole in terms of growth and reinvestment a fee like £3m makes no real difference as it will be absorbed by offsetting a loss that ME is otherwise happy to cover in full. It needs to be a much bigger fee to actually have an impact on the club rather than just the owner's pocket. |
I think you need to step away from football and read it back. What you and I think about the club means nothing, what ME thinks means everything so it is very important to the club. He doesn't have to put anything in and we could just run at cost neutral like normal businesses and many lower league clubs do. 3 million could half his losses that is significant | |
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| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:59 - Jan 14 with 1134 views | Herbivore |
| £3,000,000 for Woolfenden on 10:55 - Jan 14 by Bluefish |
I think you need to step away from football and read it back. What you and I think about the club means nothing, what ME thinks means everything so it is very important to the club. He doesn't have to put anything in and we could just run at cost neutral like normal businesses and many lower league clubs do. 3 million could half his losses that is significant |
Okay, I don't think you're getting it. I've explained it clearly twice now so just re-read that and see if it sinks in. | |
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) if he them needs to play he can easily go on loan.