| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:52 - Feb 6 with 2621 views | Herbivore |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:48 - Feb 6 by giant_stow |
I really hope so - this is so wrong. |
It feels deeply uncomfortable. It's a kid and a grown man, regardless of the age of consent. |  |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:55 - Feb 6 with 2615 views | artsbossbeard |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:44 - Feb 6 by Herbivore |
If you're in certain positions of responsibility you can be done for engaging in or soliciting sexual relationships with people under 18. I don't know whether that would cover him though, it was designed mainly with people like teachers, youth workers etc. in mind. Given the level of authority invested in his role though I do wonder if he could be covered by that. |
This is the crux, I coach u16's footy and have to be open to annual DBS checks to prove that I'm not a wrong 'un and I'd also, following my coaching courses, never put myself in a position where I'd be along in the car/changing rooms with one of my lads. If I have to pick a lad up for training/match, I HAVE to make sure that I've got my own lad and/or wife in the car.
So, for a person in a position of power conversing with a 16yr old to that volume, I find a) amazing that they've not had the same training on dealing with minors that a volunteer footy coach has been through and b) that they are naïve at best/worst.
EDIT: I also, deliberately, don't have any of the boys mobile numbers. All comms are still through parents emails. The more I think about this, the madder it actually gets. [Post edited 6 Feb 2020 14:04]
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:56 - Feb 6 with 2612 views | Pendejo |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:44 - Feb 6 by The_Last_Baron |
And some spelling lessons. |
Using mobile device, fat fingers and all that.
Try again illejitemit |  |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:00 - Feb 6 with 2597 views | Pendejo |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:44 - Feb 6 by The_Last_Baron |
You need your moral compass recalibrated laddie. The two are incomparable. |
But isn:t having an affair and fathering a child in that affair immoral?
As for my moral compass - with my wife 20 years, so affairs, no straying, don't gamble, don't thieve etc.
I am comfortable with the chap being an SNP MP as a Londoner I am more concerned with the folks less than a mile from where I am currently sitting. | |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:01 - Feb 6 with 2598 views | Darth_Koont |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 12:52 - Feb 6 by Herbivore |
It feels deeply uncomfortable. It's a kid and a grown man, regardless of the age of consent. |
Indeed. While not being illegal he’ll be judged in the court of public opinion and I think most people would agree it’s deeply uncomfortable, verging on well dodgy.
There should be a criminal case as harassment should’nt there? In that context, he’s a minor and therefore should have extra protection. |  |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:04 - Feb 6 with 2584 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:00 - Feb 6 by Pendejo |
But isn:t having an affair and fathering a child in that affair immoral?
As for my moral compass - with my wife 20 years, so affairs, no straying, don't gamble, don't thieve etc.
I am comfortable with the chap being an SNP MP as a Londoner I am more concerned with the folks less than a mile from where I am currently sitting. |
Wasn't it Crabbe who did similar? I believe he's still a sitting MP.
It's tacky at the very least, although I'm not sure the witch hunt is proportional. But then again, targeting a 16 year old out of nowhere is rather predatory. Feck knows - a moral dilemma. [Post edited 6 Feb 2020 13:06]
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:56 - Feb 6 with 2545 views | Steve_M |
This is unfortunate:
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:04 - Feb 6 with 2528 views | The_Last_Baron |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:00 - Feb 6 by Pendejo |
But isn:t having an affair and fathering a child in that affair immoral?
As for my moral compass - with my wife 20 years, so affairs, no straying, don't gamble, don't thieve etc.
I am comfortable with the chap being an SNP MP as a Londoner I am more concerned with the folks less than a mile from where I am currently sitting. |
Yes, you can argue it's immoral.
However trying it on with a 16-year-old lad with dodgy messages is on a different level. The general public at large don't like this sort of stuff and there's no way he can continue as a public servant.
He's a wrong 'un. |  |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:22 - Feb 6 with 2506 views | Herbivore |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:01 - Feb 6 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. While not being illegal he’ll be judged in the court of public opinion and I think most people would agree it’s deeply uncomfortable, verging on well dodgy.
There should be a criminal case as harassment should’nt there? In that context, he’s a minor and therefore should have extra protection. |
The content of the messages will be important here as well, if he requested and/or received indecent images then that's an offence as minors in that respect relates to under 18s, not under 16s. | |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:22 - Feb 6 with 2506 views | BlueBadger |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 11:18 - Feb 6 by Pendejo |
Has he done anything illegal?
His marriage had ended, so was / is he single?
Legal age of consent is now 16 isn't it?
Foolish, I guess so, but beyond that I don't approve but nor do I get the moral outrage. Private messages between 2 individuals not our business nor is disclosure in the public interest. |
You see nothing at all creepy or inappropriate about a middle aged man in his 40's sending flirty messages to someone still at school? |  |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:25 - Feb 6 with 2491 views | BlueBadger |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 11:28 - Feb 6 by Pendejo |
Yep agree foolish just don't get the massive moral outrage |
'I have behaved foolishly' by BlueBadger 6 Feb 2020 14:22You see nothing at all creepy or inappropriate about a middle aged man in his 40's sending flirty messages to someone still at school?
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:32 - Feb 6 with 2471 views | giant_stow |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 11:18 - Feb 6 by Pendejo |
Has he done anything illegal?
His marriage had ended, so was / is he single?
Legal age of consent is now 16 isn't it?
Foolish, I guess so, but beyond that I don't approve but nor do I get the moral outrage. Private messages between 2 individuals not our business nor is disclosure in the public interest. |
not normally an arrow worrier, but fellas, really?! |  |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:35 - Feb 6 with 2460 views | Herbivore |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 13:04 - Feb 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Wasn't it Crabbe who did similar? I believe he's still a sitting MP.
It's tacky at the very least, although I'm not sure the witch hunt is proportional. But then again, targeting a 16 year old out of nowhere is rather predatory. Feck knows - a moral dilemma. [Post edited 6 Feb 2020 13:06]
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Is it really a moral dilemma? As a 40 year old man, should I or shouldn't I approach a 16 year old on social media with sexual intent? I'm struggling to see where the dilemma is there to be honest. | |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:42 - Feb 6 with 2444 views | itfcjoe |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:35 - Feb 6 by Herbivore |
Is it really a moral dilemma? As a 40 year old man, should I or shouldn't I approach a 16 year old on social media with sexual intent? I'm struggling to see where the dilemma is there to be honest. |
And whatever people think of the likes of Johnson, we all come across and have likely forgiven people who have had affairs, etc - whether they be parents, siblings, partners, friends, etc. It’s the sort of thing that gets swept under the carpet rightly or wrongly.
I’m in my mid 30s, if I found out one of my peers was approaching and messaging children, then there wouldn’t be much coming back from that. Let alone if they were doing so from a position of power.
People don’t forgive and forget with paedos, they do with people having affairs - both maybe immoral but there is clearly a scale and one is basically off the scale! |  |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:43 - Feb 6 with 2434 views | HARRY10 |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:25 - Feb 6 by BlueBadger |
'I have behaved foolishly' by BlueBadger 6 Feb 2020 14:22You see nothing at all creepy or inappropriate about a middle aged man in his 40's sending flirty messages to someone still at school?
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Whatever the legal niceties of it, the only option is to resin.
Somewhile back I was having to explain to a not too bright male relative that there was nothing illegal about anyone filming photographing someone in a public place - even a beach.
Where the problem lie was whether such filming is appropriate. I doubt anyone would find the latter appropriate in anyway, excluding family members/friends who were fully aware and in agreement.
The question would arise as to what the purpose and intent of such filming was. Just as now the question arise as to what was the intent behind this communication. And was this borne out by any similar previous communications ? What was his intent when searching where he did ?
Maybe nothing illegal, but in every aspect not acceptable. |  | | |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:56 - Feb 6 with 2410 views | m14_blue |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 11:18 - Feb 6 by Pendejo |
Has he done anything illegal?
His marriage had ended, so was / is he single?
Legal age of consent is now 16 isn't it?
Foolish, I guess so, but beyond that I don't approve but nor do I get the moral outrage. Private messages between 2 individuals not our business nor is disclosure in the public interest. |
It’s well dodgy.
Can’t even begin to think what was going through his head. | | | |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:00 - Feb 6 with 2399 views | HARRY10 |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 14:56 - Feb 6 by m14_blue |
It’s well dodgy.
Can’t even begin to think what was going through his head. |
the same as would would be going through the head of a 40 year old man texting a 16 year old girl | | | |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:01 - Feb 6 with 2390 views | Herbivore |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:00 - Feb 6 by HARRY10 |
the same as would would be going through the head of a 40 year old man texting a 16 year old girl |
This isn't about his sexuality. It's about a middle aged person targeting a child. | |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:02 - Feb 6 with 2389 views | m14_blue |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:00 - Feb 6 by HARRY10 |
the same as would would be going through the head of a 40 year old man texting a 16 year old girl |
What point are you making?
That would obviously be equally dodgy. I just can’t see how he thought it would end any other way than this. | | | |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:06 - Feb 6 with 2369 views | HARRY10 |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:02 - Feb 6 by m14_blue |
What point are you making?
That would obviously be equally dodgy. I just can’t see how he thought it would end any other way than this. |
"That would obviously be equally dodgy."
precisely | | | |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:08 - Feb 6 with 2361 views | m14_blue |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:06 - Feb 6 by HARRY10 |
"That would obviously be equally dodgy."
precisely |
You’ve lost me tbh but we seem to be agreeing anyway | | | |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:08 - Feb 6 with 2356 views | Herbivore |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:06 - Feb 6 by HARRY10 |
"That would obviously be equally dodgy."
precisely |
He never suggested otherwise? | |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:17 - Feb 6 with 2332 views | HARRY10 |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:00 - Feb 6 by HARRY10 |
the same as would would be going through the head of a 40 year old man texting a 16 year old girl |
"Can’t even begin to think what was going through his head. "
that being what would be going through the head of any 40 yr old male contacting a 16 yr old, be it boy or girl
sex
and I am not sure why sexuality plays any part in this
it was an action of 'grooming' ie communication and behaviour towards forming a sexual relationship
so that what was 'going through his head', in reply to the much earlier question | | | |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:33 - Feb 6 with 2310 views | Herbivore |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:17 - Feb 6 by HARRY10 |
"Can’t even begin to think what was going through his head. "
that being what would be going through the head of any 40 yr old male contacting a 16 yr old, be it boy or girl
sex
and I am not sure why sexuality plays any part in this
it was an action of 'grooming' ie communication and behaviour towards forming a sexual relationship
so that what was 'going through his head', in reply to the much earlier question |
You seem to be trying to create something out of nothing. You made this about sexuality, nobody else. | |
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| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:38 - Feb 6 with 2298 views | HARRY10 |
| 'I have behaved foolishly' on 15:33 - Feb 6 by Herbivore |
You seem to be trying to create something out of nothing. You made this about sexuality, nobody else. |
I think not
I merely pointed out that a 40 yr old man contacting a 16 yr old would be doing it with one thing 'going through his mind'
now why not read the thread and see how you and another spun it after | | | |
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