| A post-Brexit solution? 16:22 - Feb 7 with 16058 views | Darth_Koont |
Brexit has caused a huge division in this country between Brexiteers and Remoaners.
So how to bring the two sides together when there's what one side thinks and believes going against what the other side thinks and believes?
We need to use objective facts to bring the two sides together. And discussions where facts are the currency not emotions or beliefs.
Alternative suggestions welcome.
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:49 - Feb 7 with 2319 views | noggin |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:45 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
Who knows? But it is a fact that in the last 40 years our sovereign territory was invaded by a hostile foreign force.
EDIT; it's also true that our armed forces can play a role in peace-keeping (or whatever you want to call it) in places that see innocent people killed by loons. [Post edited 7 Feb 2020 19:48]
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And luckily only hundreds of our sevicemen needlessly lost their lives. |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:49 - Feb 7 with 2318 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:42 - Feb 7 by HARRY10 |
But that's not how tt was put over to brexiteers and not how they imagined it would be.
Theirs was an army in nazi type uniforms where poor Tommy Atkins would be subsrvient to the frightful hun.
Where in treality it os about co-ordination. Something that alreadu happens on a daily basis via the UN. Check how many countries have armed forces in the Middle East. Check how many of them are forced into another countrys army.
If EU countries co-ordinated their efforts to stop the people smugglers in the mediteranean would that mean an EU navy ?
Does the co-ordination of EU poloce forces amount to an EWU ploice force ? Of course not. This guff was never anything more than another misrepresentation to over excite brexit thickos.
British fish for British people... innit. |
You claim to know how every Brexiter thinks and imagines. Why do we need to debate anything when we have you around? |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:50 - Feb 7 with 2313 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:49 - Feb 7 by noggin |
And luckily only hundreds of our sevicemen needlessly lost their lives. |
Why do you say needlessly? | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:51 - Feb 7 with 2304 views | noggin |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:50 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
Why do you say needlessly? |
America offered to broker peace but Thatcher wanted blood and re-election. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:54 - Feb 7 with 2289 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:34 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
It had a point yes, but it is no longer necessary, any more than a similar EU one is. You just wouldn't create NATO tomorrow.
Your second point seems to reflect your oft-stated opinion that EU/Europe clever, British not. That's another opinion, not a fact.
I find your point about them understanding war a good one considering they have spent so much of the last 200 years fighting one another which is, to my mind, part of the reason the EU is so important to the European powers and also part of the reason why we Brits understand or endorse that point of view much less since we have suffered much less at the hands of Tyrants and weirdos than all of them have. And your point about "better than the alternative" implies, as Noggin does above, that only those two alternatives exist. |
But you would create a NATO tomorrow to protect your interests. And it would be more European than American.
Re: us Brits being stupid. No, but we're also blissfully unaware of the world and where it's heading. Take a look at somewhere like Estonia that has utterly re-positioned itself over the past two decades and transformed its economy. The UK already has many of those skills and can move around like a big brand but the truth remains that the world is increasingly looking for value nowadays and many countries in Europe are better or at least more flexible and cost-effective at providing it.
And that's Europe. The rest of the world is catching up dramatically.
Being part of a European army and defending our social, political and economic values can establish peace and help the rest of the world develop. And, by taking the lead, we can ensure that we aren't screwed.
The US hegemony is coming to an end as they can't cope with a democratic world. We absolutely can. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:54 - Feb 7 with 2285 views | bluejacko |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:41 - Feb 7 by factual_blue |
Do you realise you're basically saying 'go back to where you came from'?
Actually, probably not. |
No not at all whoever is here is very welcome! However if you feel the need to leave while you can legally go for it. |  | | |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:55 - Feb 7 with 2282 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:51 - Feb 7 by noggin |
America offered to broker peace but Thatcher wanted blood and re-election. |
You're certainly right about Thatcher spoiling for a fight but the fact is, they invaded and your fellow British citizens were scared and worried and we needed to help them quickly. Who knows how that brokering would have gone but in the meantime, sometimes, you have to fight. It's unfortunate but true.
EDIT; it is also arguably true that the stronger you are the more you put hostile powers off engaging with you. It is also also arguably true it may encourage it. [Post edited 7 Feb 2020 20:03]
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:02 - Feb 7 with 2258 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:54 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
But you would create a NATO tomorrow to protect your interests. And it would be more European than American.
Re: us Brits being stupid. No, but we're also blissfully unaware of the world and where it's heading. Take a look at somewhere like Estonia that has utterly re-positioned itself over the past two decades and transformed its economy. The UK already has many of those skills and can move around like a big brand but the truth remains that the world is increasingly looking for value nowadays and many countries in Europe are better or at least more flexible and cost-effective at providing it.
And that's Europe. The rest of the world is catching up dramatically.
Being part of a European army and defending our social, political and economic values can establish peace and help the rest of the world develop. And, by taking the lead, we can ensure that we aren't screwed.
The US hegemony is coming to an end as they can't cope with a democratic world. We absolutely can. |
lol at your last line, considering we had a huge democratic event in 2016 (and indeed 2014) that you have consistently complained about ever since.
Fair point on being part of a European army and defending etc. You can also do that alone. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:05 - Feb 7 with 2246 views | chicoazul |
(Friends I have to go soon in case anyone asks me something and I dont respond) | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:07 - Feb 7 with 2234 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:02 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
lol at your last line, considering we had a huge democratic event in 2016 (and indeed 2014) that you have consistently complained about ever since.
Fair point on being part of a European army and defending etc. You can also do that alone. |
We don't have a real democracy and that's why a single-vote referendum has caused us all these problems.
I have more faith in the rest of the world's view on democracy and that's what I want us to be a part of. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:09 - Feb 7 with 2228 views | jeera |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:05 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
(Friends I have to go soon in case anyone asks me something and I dont respond) |
Where you going? |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:09 - Feb 7 with 2216 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:20 - Feb 7 by noggin |
So what is your point? Better to be British and pitiful, than European and strong? |
I am starting to wonder if Remainers are militarist globalist capitalists! |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:10 - Feb 7 with 2222 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:07 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
We don't have a real democracy and that's why a single-vote referendum has caused us all these problems.
I have more faith in the rest of the world's view on democracy and that's what I want us to be a part of. |
What's unreal about our democracy? It certainly sounds like you don't have faith in the American version so which examples can you give from "the rest of the world" of real democracies? | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:10 - Feb 7 with 2220 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:09 - Feb 7 by jeera |
Where you going? |
To the pub! My neighbour is getting married on Monday. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:11 - Feb 7 with 2207 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:31 - Feb 7 by HARRY10 |
no, dead |
So he had a point then? | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:12 - Feb 7 with 2199 views | HARRY10 |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:24 - Feb 7 by Coastalblue |
A huge point.
I'm a remainer but why would any brexiter post on here, knowing the only response they're likely to get is Harrywhatsisface telling them how thick and deluded they are.
Nobody is going to convince me Brexit is a good thing at this point, but I have had some discussions with people capable of making me rething and reconsider some things. I doubt it would have happened if my opening statements were to tell them how thick they clearly are.
Little wonder you get no debate on the subject Harry. |
That's because their isn't a debate to be has, is there ?
We still has someone harping on the radio this morning about the EU banning 'bent' bananas.
Four years this has been going on, so why have these myths and lies not been laid to rest ? Could it be that the EU is no more than a rallying point around which bigots and little Englanders can rage ? One that has replaced Islam.
That is why it has mattered so little to these types, because it never has been about a rational argument on the economic and social benefits (or not) of membership.
It is about a belief that 'foreigners' of a different colour, religion, culture are 'getting one over' the Brits. They are taking part of their pitiful share.... be it fish. jobs. houses or 'our rules'.
So carry on deluding yourself that if only your argument was put over more politely it will eventually win the day. A delusion that brexiteers are motivated by reasoned argument and rational thought.
Then go away and ask yourself why that has failed miserably...... because I refer to thick people as thick ? | | | |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:12 - Feb 7 with 2198 views | jeera |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:10 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
To the pub! My neighbour is getting married on Monday. |
So, you're getting him/her drunk and talking them out of it? | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:13 - Feb 7 with 2196 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 17:59 - Feb 7 by giant_stow |
Not sure that there's anything to solve now.
Brexiters did indeed buy a load of old sh1t in a fairly dim nonsensical way, but they won and now get to implement it.
Remainers now have to suck it up - personally I hope it somehow works out ok, but if it doesn’t we need to bite our tongues at least until that’s clearly the case. |
That sounds reasoned but it's really nonsensical.
It's the political equivalent of "It is what it is". | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:14 - Feb 7 with 2188 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:43 - Feb 7 by jeera |
War, all out war.
That'll decide things. |
Naked mud wrestling. Bagsy Holly Willoughby to be my champion  |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:14 - Feb 7 with 2184 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:12 - Feb 7 by jeera |
So, you're getting him/her drunk and talking them out of it? |
Ha! She's nice though. I approve of their union. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:15 - Feb 7 with 2177 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 19:42 - Feb 7 by HARRY10 |
But that's not how tt was put over to brexiteers and not how they imagined it would be.
Theirs was an army in nazi type uniforms where poor Tommy Atkins would be subsrvient to the frightful hun.
Where in treality it os about co-ordination. Something that alreadu happens on a daily basis via the UN. Check how many countries have armed forces in the Middle East. Check how many of them are forced into another countrys army.
If EU countries co-ordinated their efforts to stop the people smugglers in the mediteranean would that mean an EU navy ?
Does the co-ordination of EU poloce forces amount to an EWU ploice force ? Of course not. This guff was never anything more than another misrepresentation to over excite brexit thickos.
British fish for British people... innit. |
...and people say Brexit voters can't spell!  | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:19 - Feb 7 with 2161 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:10 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
What's unreal about our democracy? It certainly sounds like you don't have faith in the American version so which examples can you give from "the rest of the world" of real democracies? |
Eh? We have an antiquated democracy that we've been reforming over centuries without understanding that we need to register every vote.
If you don't vote for the winning candidate in Totnes then you have no say. Whatever you think about the country and its future is irrelevant.
That's so brain-dead when we know that PR (and genuine) democracies work better. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:20 - Feb 7 with 2160 views | jeera |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:14 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
Ha! She's nice though. I approve of their union. |
You're going to be late at this rate! | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:27 - Feb 7 with 2135 views | jeera |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:14 - Feb 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Naked mud wrestling. Bagsy Holly Willoughby to be my champion |
That's not very PC.
Is Susanna Hoffs still about? She'd be amongst my automatic choices in the past for this kind of caper.
Not because she's female and I'd find it of particular interest. I just reckon she'd be a good mud wrestler. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:30 - Feb 7 with 2131 views | giant_stow |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 20:13 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
That sounds reasoned but it's really nonsensical.
It's the political equivalent of "It is what it is". |
The democratic process has finished as far as brexit's concerned though. The only people who need to worry about the ins and outs of what actually hapens are in Boris's little circle. The rest of us would be best off forgetting about what *should* happen and instead deal with what actually happens. Further arguing at this point at least, is pointless and divisive. So yes if you like, it really is what it ia. |  |
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