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Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 09:09 - Feb 11 by tractordownsouth
I voted Lib Dem is a Tory/ LD marginal... Labour finished with 3000 votes in my constituency, does that mean I voted in Boris? It’s a silly argument.
Marxists. If you're not with them, then you are axiomatically against them. that's how they think.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:22 - Feb 11 by chicoazul
No, it's very clear what i'm saying, I am explaining why this isnt Windrush nor is it "ethnic cleansing". As to your second question here is my answer; I think it depends on the offence and the length of time a criminal in question has been in this country. If for e.g. they are convicted of multiple counts of burglary and have been in the UK for 4 years that's one thing.
It isn't clear what you're saying. For someone who came to this country as a young child and has no knowledge or connection with any other country, do you think it's fine for us to deport?
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Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:38 - Feb 11 with 5735 views
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:35 - Feb 11 by gordon
It isn't clear what you're saying. For someone who came to this country as a young child and has no knowledge or connection with any other country, do you think it's fine for us to deport?
Yes it is, I don't know why you still struggle to see this. Opinions are one thing, explaining the facts are another, although I know lots of people get confused over this. As I said before, it would depend on being weighed against many factors including the age they arrived, the gravity of the offence, the situation in the country of origin etc. That's my answer.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:07 - Feb 11 by Herbivore
You do realise that "not breaking the law" is a pretty low ethical standard to hold our government to? I mean, they've not been averse to breaking the law either, but I'd rather hoped we might aspire to be a bit better than that.
Can we all just go on some kind of mass strike soon? I wanna go full-on French.
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:38 - Feb 11 by chicoazul
Yes it is, I don't know why you still struggle to see this. Opinions are one thing, explaining the facts are another, although I know lots of people get confused over this. As I said before, it would depend on being weighed against many factors including the age they arrived, the gravity of the offence, the situation in the country of origin etc. That's my answer.
Would you deport someone who came over as a 15 year old who's done a small stint for drug dealing?
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 09:39 - Feb 11 by BloomBlue
But the law for foreign nationals is deportation as introduced by Labour Gov in 2007. May I suggest if Labour were against the law they should have included removing it in their last manifesto.
You talk about punishd twice I can assure you when an individual is raped that's a life sentence. They weren't forced to rape if they had stayed within the law this wouldn't be a problem for them
How many of those that were being deported are convicted rapists?
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Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:53 - Feb 11 with 5699 views
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:07 - Feb 11 by Herbivore
You do realise that "not breaking the law" is a pretty low ethical standard to hold our government to? I mean, they've not been averse to breaking the law either, but I'd rather hoped we might aspire to be a bit better than that.
Agree many people break the law i drive over the speed limit sometimes and when I've been caught I've accepted the fine. But rape is a life sentence for the victim and nobody forced those who committed rape to rape. Rape is a hideous crime, without that rape they won't be on that flight they are a foreign national. All EU countries deport foreign nationals if they commit a serious crime.
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Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:54 - Feb 11 with 5687 views
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:53 - Feb 11 by BloomBlue
Agree many people break the law i drive over the speed limit sometimes and when I've been caught I've accepted the fine. But rape is a life sentence for the victim and nobody forced those who committed rape to rape. Rape is a hideous crime, without that rape they won't be on that flight they are a foreign national. All EU countries deport foreign nationals if they commit a serious crime.
Without legal representation and while contravening a high court order?
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:53 - Feb 11 by BloomBlue
Agree many people break the law i drive over the speed limit sometimes and when I've been caught I've accepted the fine. But rape is a life sentence for the victim and nobody forced those who committed rape to rape. Rape is a hideous crime, without that rape they won't be on that flight they are a foreign national. All EU countries deport foreign nationals if they commit a serious crime.
So if the plane has took off despite a court ruling, where does this leave the whole thing for now? Have the government (or a department of it) broken the law? Is anyone held responsible and likely to get in trouble or will it be ignored? Will those deported be coming back?
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 11:07 - Feb 11 by monytowbray
So if the plane has took off despite a court ruling, where does this leave the whole thing for now? Have the government (or a department of it) broken the law? Is anyone held responsible and likely to get in trouble or will it be ignored? Will those deported be coming back?
I believe the people on the plane are the ones who are not covered by the ruling, unless I've read it wrong.
It's a difficult one this. On the face of it it seems very harsh if the people have been living here since they were kids and are now getting on a bit. From what I know these people though are not British nationals - although they are members of the commonwealth which in my opinion puts a different slant on it, I wouldn't be against immediate citizenship for all Commonwealth people but I believe that may have been stopped in the 60's.
It also depends what they are being deported for. If rape or murder then I quite frankly couldn't give a chuff where they end up - although if they were British nationals then we have the duty to keep them here, that is only right as it is the law.
Left wing loon James O'Brien just made a good point, at least one member of the cabinet has admitted to taking cocaine so it does seem unfair that we go to such measures to deport someone who ultimately is one of the cogs in his chain of supply.
It may be unfashionable on here but I try not to go down the route of excuse or instant condemnation depending on which side of the political ribbon the argument is with but on the face of it it seems a bit stern - although if I as a British national had been living in a non EU country since I was 5 and then committed a serious offence I would expect to be deported, and let's not forget we deport lots of people from countries all over the world in the same fashion as this
I don't think I know as much about this particular instance to offer a definitive opinion unlike most on here that are obviously very familiar with all the nuts and bolts of this case.
So I don't know why I took the time to write this.
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“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 11:14 - Feb 11 by Lord_Lucan
It's a difficult one this. On the face of it it seems very harsh if the people have been living here since they were kids and are now getting on a bit. From what I know these people though are not British nationals - although they are members of the commonwealth which in my opinion puts a different slant on it, I wouldn't be against immediate citizenship for all Commonwealth people but I believe that may have been stopped in the 60's.
It also depends what they are being deported for. If rape or murder then I quite frankly couldn't give a chuff where they end up - although if they were British nationals then we have the duty to keep them here, that is only right as it is the law.
Left wing loon James O'Brien just made a good point, at least one member of the cabinet has admitted to taking cocaine so it does seem unfair that we go to such measures to deport someone who ultimately is one of the cogs in his chain of supply.
It may be unfashionable on here but I try not to go down the route of excuse or instant condemnation depending on which side of the political ribbon the argument is with but on the face of it it seems a bit stern - although if I as a British national had been living in a non EU country since I was 5 and then committed a serious offence I would expect to be deported, and let's not forget we deport lots of people from countries all over the world in the same fashion as this
I don't think I know as much about this particular instance to offer a definitive opinion unlike most on here that are obviously very familiar with all the nuts and bolts of this case.
So I don't know why I took the time to write this.
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 11:14 - Feb 11 by Lord_Lucan
It's a difficult one this. On the face of it it seems very harsh if the people have been living here since they were kids and are now getting on a bit. From what I know these people though are not British nationals - although they are members of the commonwealth which in my opinion puts a different slant on it, I wouldn't be against immediate citizenship for all Commonwealth people but I believe that may have been stopped in the 60's.
It also depends what they are being deported for. If rape or murder then I quite frankly couldn't give a chuff where they end up - although if they were British nationals then we have the duty to keep them here, that is only right as it is the law.
Left wing loon James O'Brien just made a good point, at least one member of the cabinet has admitted to taking cocaine so it does seem unfair that we go to such measures to deport someone who ultimately is one of the cogs in his chain of supply.
It may be unfashionable on here but I try not to go down the route of excuse or instant condemnation depending on which side of the political ribbon the argument is with but on the face of it it seems a bit stern - although if I as a British national had been living in a non EU country since I was 5 and then committed a serious offence I would expect to be deported, and let's not forget we deport lots of people from countries all over the world in the same fashion as this
I don't think I know as much about this particular instance to offer a definitive opinion unlike most on here that are obviously very familiar with all the nuts and bolts of this case.
So I don't know why I took the time to write this.
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You don't need to know the nuts and bolts of the case; just have a view on whether you are happy with our government breaking the law (seemingly for a publicity stunt), or you would rather they operate under the law.
As it happens, we're now hearing that the plane left with at most half of the planned deportees, so it seems the Home Office have listened to the court ruling yesterday. That's an improvement, but the legal challenge shouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
Agreed regarding the complexities of their commonwealth status and the issues around having no home/routes in the country they originally left. It does make it more complex for sure.
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 10:38 - Feb 11 by chicoazul
Yes it is, I don't know why you still struggle to see this. Opinions are one thing, explaining the facts are another, although I know lots of people get confused over this. As I said before, it would depend on being weighed against many factors including the age they arrived, the gravity of the offence, the situation in the country of origin etc. That's my answer.
Sounds like we're getting somewhere. It would depend on the age when people arrived, but deporting people who arrived age 5 is OK. Where would be your cut-off then - 18 months?
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Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 12:18 - Feb 11 with 5497 views
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 11:49 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue
You don't need to know the nuts and bolts of the case; just have a view on whether you are happy with our government breaking the law (seemingly for a publicity stunt), or you would rather they operate under the law.
As it happens, we're now hearing that the plane left with at most half of the planned deportees, so it seems the Home Office have listened to the court ruling yesterday. That's an improvement, but the legal challenge shouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
Agreed regarding the complexities of their commonwealth status and the issues around having no home/routes in the country they originally left. It does make it more complex for sure.
But they're not breaking the law, the law was implemented in 2007 by the Labour government and it states all foreign nationals who commit a serious crime will be deported after their sentence has been completed and the courts agreed with that. Deportations of foreign nationals occur every week
Those who didn't fly today is because they need to be supplied with a SIM card which will work outside the UK.
And honestly anyone who commits rape deserves to be kicked out. Hopefully all these people up in arms defending these will put as much effort into supporting the victims but I doubt it.
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Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 12:45 - Feb 11 with 5466 views
"It's easier for the grandchildren of Nazis to get into Britain, than the grandchildren of commonwealth members who came here to rebuild the country after the Nazis had bombed it." I guess brexit will change that?
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 12:18 - Feb 11 by BloomBlue
But they're not breaking the law, the law was implemented in 2007 by the Labour government and it states all foreign nationals who commit a serious crime will be deported after their sentence has been completed and the courts agreed with that. Deportations of foreign nationals occur every week
Those who didn't fly today is because they need to be supplied with a SIM card which will work outside the UK.
And honestly anyone who commits rape deserves to be kicked out. Hopefully all these people up in arms defending these will put as much effort into supporting the victims but I doubt it.
Not that law. The one that the courts ruled on yesterday and any breaches of law involved in the deportation process.
Nobody's challenging our right to deport serious criminals. it's the way they've gone about it.
Those who didn't fly today are only in that position because the case was brought before the courts yesterday. The government intended to deport them without ensuring they had access to legal counsel (i.e. break the law).
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 11:14 - Feb 11 by Lord_Lucan
It's a difficult one this. On the face of it it seems very harsh if the people have been living here since they were kids and are now getting on a bit. From what I know these people though are not British nationals - although they are members of the commonwealth which in my opinion puts a different slant on it, I wouldn't be against immediate citizenship for all Commonwealth people but I believe that may have been stopped in the 60's.
It also depends what they are being deported for. If rape or murder then I quite frankly couldn't give a chuff where they end up - although if they were British nationals then we have the duty to keep them here, that is only right as it is the law.
Left wing loon James O'Brien just made a good point, at least one member of the cabinet has admitted to taking cocaine so it does seem unfair that we go to such measures to deport someone who ultimately is one of the cogs in his chain of supply.
It may be unfashionable on here but I try not to go down the route of excuse or instant condemnation depending on which side of the political ribbon the argument is with but on the face of it it seems a bit stern - although if I as a British national had been living in a non EU country since I was 5 and then committed a serious offence I would expect to be deported, and let's not forget we deport lots of people from countries all over the world in the same fashion as this
I don't think I know as much about this particular instance to offer a definitive opinion unlike most on here that are obviously very familiar with all the nuts and bolts of this case.
So I don't know why I took the time to write this.
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I think the biggest issue is that people have come over from the Commonwealth, and effectively been British for their whole life, and now like Windrush they are being told - actually you were never British after all so buggar off.
According to Lammy there are people on the flight who were 2, 3 and 5 when they came to live in the UK.
We are now sending them 'back' to Jamaica where they have no family, no money, no experience of living there and letting them rot - and there is a need from the Tories to keep talking about rapists and murderers when the reality is most of these are drug crimes, which they have served sentences for.
It all boils down for me, whether people invited over as part of the Commonwealth, who have been here there whole life are British or not.
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 12:50 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue
Not that law. The one that the courts ruled on yesterday and any breaches of law involved in the deportation process.
Nobody's challenging our right to deport serious criminals. it's the way they've gone about it.
Those who didn't fly today are only in that position because the case was brought before the courts yesterday. The government intended to deport them without ensuring they had access to legal counsel (i.e. break the law).
Does anyone know if Jamaica will help these individuals with accommodation and integration?
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 12:52 - Feb 11 by noggin
Does anyone know if Jamaica will help these individuals with accommodation and integration?
No idea. One of the guys interviewed yesterday (historical drug offense about 10 year ago for which he served his time) said he expects to get targeted because he's been deported. But I've no idea if that's true. He will be leaving behind his English wife and English young kid though. Tory policies have been splitting families for a while though, so not a huge surprise there).
Disgusting that we're still doing this: on 12:56 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue
No idea. One of the guys interviewed yesterday (historical drug offense about 10 year ago for which he served his time) said he expects to get targeted because he's been deported. But I've no idea if that's true. He will be leaving behind his English wife and English young kid though. Tory policies have been splitting families for a while though, so not a huge surprise there).
There's something like 40 kids that will be left without Father's now in this country - I'm sure that won't come back to bite at any point
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