| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) 17:14 - Feb 29 with 9550 views | Girthyguy |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 09:54 - Mar 1 with 2841 views | r2d2 |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 09:48 - Mar 1 by Bluedandy |
Yes because Town's future really depends on endlessly lamenting the departure of a manager who by the end of 2016-2017 had taken the club to its lowest league position in half a century.
Unfortunately after a decade of Doctor Death at the helm this was for some fans the best that could be wished for...
So we got another season of toxic dither before the inevitable fallout and then up came an amateur version of McCarthy as the chosen replacement.
If you really think Town's utterly dire predicament is the fault of fans who wanted an alternative to McCarthy then you merely occupy the other side of the numb skull coin. |
Mick didnt get us relegated. Fans who wanted him out had a big part to play in that. |  | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 09:57 - Mar 1 with 2826 views | blueconscience |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 09:54 - Mar 1 by r2d2 |
Mick didnt get us relegated. Fans who wanted him out had a big part to play in that. |
We would have got relegated at some point with Mick in charge, teams had sussed Micks only tactic, and we were making all the teams we played against look world class!!!
All thanks to an owner who wouldn’t give the resources required to prevent the above. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 9:58]
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:03 - Mar 1 with 2804 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 09:53 - Mar 1 by noggin |
Mick just slowed our demise a little. Relegation would have happened eventually and he would have left as a result. |
He’d have gone sooner than that. The Ireland job was opening up in a few months’ time. When it came up in 2013 he did that peculiar dance with the media where he wouldn’t rule himself out of the running, when if he wasn’t interested all he had to do was say so and fans here would have lapped it up. He didn’t, because he wanted the job. And if he wanted it in 2013 when things were on the up here, he certainly wanted it in 2018 after several years bored rigid.
We didn’t have some wonderful benevolent spirit who would have stayed around forever if everyone in the stadium would just love him. We were always going to lose him at some point.
But nobody considers that. They just start a new Groundhog Thread. | | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:04 - Mar 1 with 2799 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 09:48 - Mar 1 by Bluedandy |
Yes because Town's future really depends on endlessly lamenting the departure of a manager who by the end of 2016-2017 had taken the club to its lowest league position in half a century.
Unfortunately after a decade of Doctor Death at the helm this was for some fans the best that could be wished for...
So we got another season of toxic dither before the inevitable fallout and then up came an amateur version of McCarthy as the chosen replacement.
If you really think Town's utterly dire predicament is the fault of fans who wanted an alternative to McCarthy then you merely occupy the other side of the numb skull coin. |
“Toxic Dither” is Evans’ DJ name. | | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:15 - Mar 1 with 2778 views | Lord_Lucan |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 17:16 - Feb 29 by r2d2 |
Well said. Someone who has sense |
What, a Norwich fan?
Definite info. |  |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:19 - Mar 1 with 2774 views | PhilTWTD |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 08:11 - Mar 1 by Swailsey |
And herein lies the problem with our club and some of our fans who wanted MM out above any sense of rational.
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous post and it is unbelievable that it has upvotes.
We are in the worst state we have ever been in, our lowest league position in years, yet it is preferable with mid table in the league above?
I wasn’t overly happy treading water in the Championship and but to say this is better? Nonsense. |
They're different situations, both dispiriting in their own way. MM staying on would have created a different sort of depression. The unpleasantness of the mood in his final season seems to have been forgotten very quickly. How many fans would have been at games if he had been kept on for another season? Under 10,000 for some matches? How many of those might not have been enticed back?
Having a manager who fans in the vast majority had no liking for and who had made it clear his view of them wasn't much different couldn't be allowed to continue.
That schism was really what was behind the 'love-in' with PL when he came in, a manager who made a bit of an effort with fans, whatever the reasons behind it. Of course, that has to be backed up with results, which it hasn't been. |  | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:30 - Mar 1 with 2737 views | artsbossbeard |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:19 - Mar 1 by PhilTWTD |
They're different situations, both dispiriting in their own way. MM staying on would have created a different sort of depression. The unpleasantness of the mood in his final season seems to have been forgotten very quickly. How many fans would have been at games if he had been kept on for another season? Under 10,000 for some matches? How many of those might not have been enticed back?
Having a manager who fans in the vast majority had no liking for and who had made it clear his view of them wasn't much different couldn't be allowed to continue.
That schism was really what was behind the 'love-in' with PL when he came in, a manager who made a bit of an effort with fans, whatever the reasons behind it. Of course, that has to be backed up with results, which it hasn't been. |
As quite the world traveller and seasoned drinker, I often find myself propping up a bar and engaging in chit-chat with the locals.
Twice in recent times, the subject of football teams supported comes up and the view from both fellow drinkers is that our fan base forced Mick out and that we're effectively now reaping what we've sown.
I do counter (civilly) with the arguments you've mentioned below and advise that it was time for him to go, although offer that I'd have much preferred for Mick to have seen out his contract rather than leaving early.
Not sure what my exact point is here but wonder if this is the general perception throughout the football world rather than a twice held view from 2x different non-Ipswich people? [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 10:31]
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:42 - Mar 1 with 2698 views | PhilTWTD |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:30 - Mar 1 by artsbossbeard |
As quite the world traveller and seasoned drinker, I often find myself propping up a bar and engaging in chit-chat with the locals.
Twice in recent times, the subject of football teams supported comes up and the view from both fellow drinkers is that our fan base forced Mick out and that we're effectively now reaping what we've sown.
I do counter (civilly) with the arguments you've mentioned below and advise that it was time for him to go, although offer that I'd have much preferred for Mick to have seen out his contract rather than leaving early.
Not sure what my exact point is here but wonder if this is the general perception throughout the football world rather than a twice held view from 2x different non-Ipswich people? [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 10:31]
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Unfortunately a spin was rather put on the situation by some of the national media. | | | |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:47 - Mar 1 with 2683 views | pointofblue |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:42 - Mar 1 by PhilTWTD |
Unfortunately a spin was rather put on the situation by some of the national media. |
The national media who only bother with any club outside of the Premiership when the fans get a bit stroppy (or it goes bankrupt) and have no understanding of context or history, of course! Then again, if another side’s fanbase turned against a manager in such a way despite seemingly over-achieving we’d probably say they were being entitled and unfair from the outside looking in too. | |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:50 - Mar 1 with 2670 views | No9 |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 08:27 - Mar 1 by Oxford_Blue |
Mick called it.
“Be careful what you wish for”.
He’d got us mid table and above with limited resources.
Now look at us. |
"He’d got us mid table and above with limited resources. "
That is questionable
& he didn't have to turn those who pay at tha gate against the club - did he? | | | |
| You're completely wrong on 10:59 - Mar 1 with 2651 views | unstableblue |
Mick was just another part of the problem under Marcus.
Marcus has failed to put in a football savvy CEO and/or Football/Technical Director.
Look at all the clubs of our size doing well, Norwich, Brentford, Preston... on budgets akin to Marcus, they have something enduring beyond the manager.
There has to be an ethos, a strategy, to progress the club on and off the pitch, built on progressive, effective and ultimately entertaining football. You won’t increase the gates and connection to the community on boring football.
Clegg and Milne a joke.
I spoke twice at length to Clegg he had ceded all footballing responsibility to his managers, he deemed himself unaccountable for it.
As for Mick, he should have been a stop gap. Even when we did well anyone with some footballing nouse, who should have been advising and leading Evans in a technical capacity, between him and Mick, would have been sounding the alarm bells that we were out passed and outplayed on far too many occasions, and at home and that’s Micks football brand was outdated.
By the time Mick left the supporter relationship was poisoned - do you remember the Lower North in Micks final games?! “Mick McCarthy your football is sh!t” - it was the majority. And worse our players had begun to play so rigidly and within themselves, we were spiralling downwards.
Town were a poisoned chalice. And then Marcus just tried to fix it with another manger only appointment. And an ill qualified one.
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 11:44 - Mar 1 with 2607 views | SonOfSpock |
I'd rather bathe in a vat of my own excrement. |  | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:16 - Mar 1 with 2560 views | Mullet |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 10:19 - Mar 1 by PhilTWTD |
They're different situations, both dispiriting in their own way. MM staying on would have created a different sort of depression. The unpleasantness of the mood in his final season seems to have been forgotten very quickly. How many fans would have been at games if he had been kept on for another season? Under 10,000 for some matches? How many of those might not have been enticed back?
Having a manager who fans in the vast majority had no liking for and who had made it clear his view of them wasn't much different couldn't be allowed to continue.
That schism was really what was behind the 'love-in' with PL when he came in, a manager who made a bit of an effort with fans, whatever the reasons behind it. Of course, that has to be backed up with results, which it hasn't been. |
The problem is that the nastiness got far worse after it was made clear he was going. The fans had already been through this until he produced a fantastic start to a season and it became about waiting for the "it can't last" to come true.
Had Mick been given a cash injection and continued the upward curve he'd began by getting Waghorn et al. in and playing they'd have just looked like the idiotic bedsheet lot of Magilton etc.
Ultimately we were starved into a position of being uncompetitive and MM still bucked that trend in his final season. Then Evans sanctioned Hurst's spending, and terrible sell to spend even more policy and in a month or two the club was ruined.
I'm surprised this simplistic narrative that "only Mick could keep us up" is being parroted as much as "Lambert had an impossible" task when it's patently clear there are multiple options and outcomes from any of the forks in the road people choose to start from.
All of the doom you're putting forth there is about to become true with the whole club plunged a league lower than that and in a far weaker position, so even if you were bob on... it'd be preferable to this. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 15:47]
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:26 - Mar 1 with 2551 views | jeera |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 09:48 - Mar 1 by Bluedandy |
Yes because Town's future really depends on endlessly lamenting the departure of a manager who by the end of 2016-2017 had taken the club to its lowest league position in half a century.
Unfortunately after a decade of Doctor Death at the helm this was for some fans the best that could be wished for...
So we got another season of toxic dither before the inevitable fallout and then up came an amateur version of McCarthy as the chosen replacement.
If you really think Town's utterly dire predicament is the fault of fans who wanted an alternative to McCarthy then you merely occupy the other side of the numb skull coin. |
"...had taken the club to its lowest league position in half a century."
The front of still wheeling that one out now. |  |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:30 - Mar 1 with 2542 views | PJH |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:26 - Mar 1 by jeera |
"...had taken the club to its lowest league position in half a century."
The front of still wheeling that one out now. |
Yes that surprises me too as this season will be the second time that that record has been "bettered" since then.
Unless we finish in the top two this season will be our worst finish since 1952/53. |  | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:31 - Mar 1 with 2543 views | Mullet |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:26 - Mar 1 by jeera |
"...had taken the club to its lowest league position in half a century."
The front of still wheeling that one out now. |
Especially after what he delivered immediately after and the calibre of players he got in for the money he did.
It's almost like they can't accept how badly they fcuked up and he didn't. | |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:34 - Mar 1 with 2539 views | PhilTWTD |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 08:27 - Mar 1 by Oxford_Blue |
Mick called it.
“Be careful what you wish for”.
He’d got us mid table and above with limited resources.
Now look at us. |
Not sure league position to budget had much to do with the mutual animosity. It seemed more personal than that; fans didn't particularly like him as a bloke and he didn't like them not liking him and responded in kind. It was a situation which had to be brought to a close for the good of the club, regardless of what's happened since.
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:36 - Mar 1 with 2523 views | jeera |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:31 - Mar 1 by Mullet |
Especially after what he delivered immediately after and the calibre of players he got in for the money he did.
It's almost like they can't accept how badly they fcuked up and he didn't. |
People would rather double down than admit they may have made a mistake.
In any given situation, for all the screaming and baiting, there will always be a few voices who try to stay rational and offer some reasoning.
They get called 'luvvers' and other such immature nonsense and when the truth comes back to bite, the baiters continue to double down.
See also the 'B' word. Same mentality. Same ignoring of those who try to offer up some reasoning. But it's never their fault. Oh no. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 15:37]
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 20:39 - Mar 1 with 2449 views | LeoMuff |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 15:26 - Mar 1 by jeera |
"...had taken the club to its lowest league position in half a century."
The front of still wheeling that one out now. |
Divs gonna div |  |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 21:18 - Mar 1 with 2426 views | TheBoyBlue |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 08:11 - Mar 1 by Swailsey |
And herein lies the problem with our club and some of our fans who wanted MM out above any sense of rational.
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous post and it is unbelievable that it has upvotes.
We are in the worst state we have ever been in, our lowest league position in years, yet it is preferable with mid table in the league above?
I wasn’t overly happy treading water in the Championship and but to say this is better? Nonsense. |
I want us to do well of course. But I'm depressed and angry at this. Under McCarthy I felt nothing. It was complete and utter apathy. ITFC might as well not existed.
The only hope from this is that we must reach a breaking point and something fundamentally changes, whether that be Evans trying harder to find a buyer, him changing his approach, Lambert going and us somehow finding a hidden gem of a manager, Lambert deciding to do something different, whatever that may be. Under Mick, nothing was ever going to change. It would have just stayed like that for years and years and eventually Mick would've left anyway. I prefer to have hope, however slim it is. | |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 22:24 - Mar 1 with 2389 views | haynes_toe1 |
I wish he was our manager still too.
The problem is some went so far with their abuse towards a very, very good manager that they now double down and pretend they enjoy watching just as much goofball just a division lower. | | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 23:19 - Mar 1 with 2367 views | ArnieM |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 21:18 - Mar 1 by TheBoyBlue |
I want us to do well of course. But I'm depressed and angry at this. Under McCarthy I felt nothing. It was complete and utter apathy. ITFC might as well not existed.
The only hope from this is that we must reach a breaking point and something fundamentally changes, whether that be Evans trying harder to find a buyer, him changing his approach, Lambert going and us somehow finding a hidden gem of a manager, Lambert deciding to do something different, whatever that may be. Under Mick, nothing was ever going to change. It would have just stayed like that for years and years and eventually Mick would've left anyway. I prefer to have hope, however slim it is. |
McCarthy’s brand of football was demoralising to say the least. Soul destroying tbh . He should have been booted out a full season b4 he eventually was . |  |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 23:23 - Mar 1 with 2363 views | Ryorry |
Well go and apply for Irish citizenship then. |  |
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| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 06:41 - Mar 2 with 2314 views | daisyisabaddog |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 17:33 - Feb 29 by TheBoyBlue |
I want us to do well of course. But I'm depressed and angry at this. Under McCarthy I felt nothing. It was complete and utter apathy. ITFC might as well not existed.
The only hope from this is that we must reach a breaking point and something fundamentally changes, whether that be Evans trying harder to find a buyer, him changing his approach, Lambert going and us somehow finding a hidden gem of a manager, Lambert deciding to do something different, whatever that may be. Under Mick, nothing was ever going to change. It would have just stayed like that for years and years and eventually Mick would've left anyway. I prefer to have hope, however slim it is. |
Kindly explain how ME can put in more money under the L1 Financial Fair Play rules | | | |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 11:46 - Mar 2 with 2268 views | rickw |
| I really wish Mick Mccarthy was still our manager (n/t) on 22:24 - Mar 1 by haynes_toe1 |
I wish he was our manager still too.
The problem is some went so far with their abuse towards a very, very good manager that they now double down and pretend they enjoy watching just as much goofball just a division lower. |
It was a minority who stayed and abused him, the majority including me just stopped going.
After nearly every match I left thinking I had just wasted £30 and 2 hours of my life, if I'd been watching paint dry at least I'd have been warm!!
Only a few dispute MM's results but it was dull and I didn't want to watch it, but I support ITFC and want to enjoy watching football.
Some people only look at the results, the only reason any of us are on here is because at some point we enjoyed watching ITFC play - and that wasn't going to happen to any new generations whilst MM was in charge. |  |
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