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Herd immunity 07:29 - Mar 13 with 19914 viewsbluelagos

Ok, so watching the newsnight interview (thx whoever suggested watching it) and it seems we are taking the approach of wanting the population to develop immunity.


A few thoughts / questions.

Is this actually our policy or was it just an opinion from an informed advisor?

If CV could kill you, why does it matter if you get it now or in say the autumn?

If there is an overall benefit from herd immunity, why are we emcouraging people of wash hands etc. We should surely be solely nessaging to isolate the vulnerable and encouraging preventative measures for those in contact with the vulnerable? (If we want herd immunity)

Thoughts?
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Herd immunity on 08:57 - Mar 13 with 2565 viewsHerbivore

Herd immunity on 08:54 - Mar 13 by Guthrum

Dissenting voices would be all over the media - they already are.


I mean in terms of any experts with connections to the government. They aren't the ones number 10 will be wheeling out at press conferences. For all that expert advice is playing a role, the decisions being taken are ultimately political ones.

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Herd immunity on 09:01 - Mar 13 with 2550 viewsPinewoodblue

Herd immunity on 08:57 - Mar 13 by Herbivore

I mean in terms of any experts with connections to the government. They aren't the ones number 10 will be wheeling out at press conferences. For all that expert advice is playing a role, the decisions being taken are ultimately political ones.


Not every decision made by a politician is for political reasons.

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Herd immunity on 09:02 - Mar 13 with 2545 viewsGuthrum

Herd immunity on 08:57 - Mar 13 by Herbivore

I mean in terms of any experts with connections to the government. They aren't the ones number 10 will be wheeling out at press conferences. For all that expert advice is playing a role, the decisions being taken are ultimately political ones.


They'd just resign, then be free to say what they liked.

All decisions have to be balanced by practicality. If Johnson and his senior advisers emerged waving their hands in the air screaming "We're all going to die!" before retreating to a secret bunker, the country would dissolve pretty quickly.

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Herd immunity on 09:02 - Mar 13 with 2543 viewsGeoffSentence

Herd immunity on 07:48 - Mar 13 by bluelagos

Cheers Dan. Makes sense.

Now if you can tell me what to do about my collapsing investments* :-)

*seems like a very minor issue considering the seriousness of what we are entering.


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Herd immunity on 09:06 - Mar 13 with 2532 viewshype313

Countries that have slowed transmission but still have >95% uninfected will just get a surge in infections when they inevitably lift measures, so you can the logic behind the govt thoughts.

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Herd immunity on 09:21 - Mar 13 with 2507 viewsSwansea_Blue

The advice seems remarkably inconsistent to me. If one person in a family develops just one of the symptoms (but you can't be sure as they won't test) they have to self-isolate. Yet the others are free to carry on as normal. How is that effective in either slowing the spread or encouraging herd immunity? It's doesn't focus on either.

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Herd immunity on 09:27 - Mar 13 with 2487 viewsGuthrum

Herd immunity on 09:21 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue

The advice seems remarkably inconsistent to me. If one person in a family develops just one of the symptoms (but you can't be sure as they won't test) they have to self-isolate. Yet the others are free to carry on as normal. How is that effective in either slowing the spread or encouraging herd immunity? It's doesn't focus on either.


The family member affected is supposed to go and live in the loft or the shed at the bottom of the garden, so they don't get too close to other family members.

No, I don't know how it's supposed to work, either.

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Herd immunity on 09:31 - Mar 13 with 2466 viewsDanTheMan

Herd immunity on 09:27 - Mar 13 by Guthrum

The family member affected is supposed to go and live in the loft or the shed at the bottom of the garden, so they don't get too close to other family members.

No, I don't know how it's supposed to work, either.


What amused me is they said they should use separate bathrooms.

Lucky enough if you have 2 toilets, let alone two whole bathrooms.

My partner and I could maybe do the rest of it, but can't really get away from sharing the bathroom.

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Herd immunity on 09:34 - Mar 13 with 2451 viewsgiant_stow

Herd immunity on 09:31 - Mar 13 by DanTheMan

What amused me is they said they should use separate bathrooms.

Lucky enough if you have 2 toilets, let alone two whole bathrooms.

My partner and I could maybe do the rest of it, but can't really get away from sharing the bathroom.


The ill person is meant to clean the bathroom after use if you only have one. How do you clean a bathroom?

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Herd immunity on 09:36 - Mar 13 with 2449 viewsDanTheMan

Herd immunity on 09:34 - Mar 13 by giant_stow

The ill person is meant to clean the bathroom after use if you only have one. How do you clean a bathroom?


Christ, that'll be a barrel of laughs if you're feeling bad.

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Herd immunity on 09:36 - Mar 13 with 2448 viewsStokieBlue

Herd immunity on 09:34 - Mar 13 by giant_stow

The ill person is meant to clean the bathroom after use if you only have one. How do you clean a bathroom?


Eh?

What do you mean how to you clean a bathroom? Hate to think what yours must be like if you don't clean it!

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Herd immunity on 09:36 - Mar 13 with 2445 viewsHerbivore

Herd immunity on 09:01 - Mar 13 by Pinewoodblue

Not every decision made by a politician is for political reasons.


I'd say that's rather naive.

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Herd immunity on 09:37 - Mar 13 with 2442 viewsgiant_stow

Herd immunity on 09:36 - Mar 13 by StokieBlue

Eh?

What do you mean how to you clean a bathroom? Hate to think what yours must be like if you don't clean it!

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Herd immunity on 09:38 - Mar 13 with 2437 viewsSwansea_Blue

Herd immunity on 09:31 - Mar 13 by DanTheMan

What amused me is they said they should use separate bathrooms.

Lucky enough if you have 2 toilets, let alone two whole bathrooms.

My partner and I could maybe do the rest of it, but can't really get away from sharing the bathroom.


Kitchen sink would be ok for you though?

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Herd immunity on 09:39 - Mar 13 with 2431 viewsSwansea_Blue

Herd immunity on 09:36 - Mar 13 by StokieBlue

Eh?

What do you mean how to you clean a bathroom? Hate to think what yours must be like if you don't clean it!

SB


I haven't cleaned ours for ages, except after kids hurling. We have a raging Brexiteer Polish woman clean them (don't ask).

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Herd immunity on 09:40 - Mar 13 with 2425 viewsDanTheMan

Herd immunity on 09:38 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue

Kitchen sink would be ok for you though?


I, thankfully, do have another toilet. So for us it would just be showering. We could isolate otherwise, or do I don't like the thought of it.

In all honesty though, chances are a mistake happens and we both end up with it.

Dog would go mental as well.

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Herd immunity on 09:43 - Mar 13 with 2420 viewsGlasgowBlue

Herd immunity on 09:34 - Mar 13 by giant_stow

The ill person is meant to clean the bathroom after use if you only have one. How do you clean a bathroom?


Bleach, anti bac spray. Don’t use the same towel as the infected person.

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Herd immunity on 09:46 - Mar 13 with 2401 viewsSwansea_Blue

Herd immunity on 09:40 - Mar 13 by DanTheMan

I, thankfully, do have another toilet. So for us it would just be showering. We could isolate otherwise, or do I don't like the thought of it.

In all honesty though, chances are a mistake happens and we both end up with it.

Dog would go mental as well.


The dog should be safe :


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Herd immunity on 09:50 - Mar 13 with 2396 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Herd immunity on 09:31 - Mar 13 by DanTheMan

What amused me is they said they should use separate bathrooms.

Lucky enough if you have 2 toilets, let alone two whole bathrooms.

My partner and I could maybe do the rest of it, but can't really get away from sharing the bathroom.


Almost as if all these politicians and experts live in a parallel universe....see also grandparents live in a different part of the country so only see the kids if schools close!

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Herd immunity on 09:52 - Mar 13 with 2388 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Herd immunity on 09:43 - Mar 13 by GlasgowBlue

Bleach, anti bac spray. Don’t use the same towel as the infected person.


Easy for you to say you all have separate houses!

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Herd immunity on 09:52 - Mar 13 with 2390 viewsGuthrum

Herd immunity on 09:39 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue

I haven't cleaned ours for ages, except after kids hurling. We have a raging Brexiteer Polish woman clean them (don't ask).


Child hurling in bathrooms is not recommended. They don't fly very far, for a start.

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Herd immunity on 09:54 - Mar 13 with 2384 viewsGuthrum

Herd immunity on 09:43 - Mar 13 by GlasgowBlue

Bleach, anti bac spray. Don’t use the same towel as the infected person.


More than one towel? Luxury!

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Herd immunity on 09:54 - Mar 13 with 2383 viewsm14_blue

Herd immunity on 09:39 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue

I haven't cleaned ours for ages, except after kids hurling. We have a raging Brexiteer Polish woman clean them (don't ask).


Fit?
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Herd immunity on 09:56 - Mar 13 with 2381 viewsSwansea_Blue

Herd immunity on 09:52 - Mar 13 by Guthrum

Child hurling in bathrooms is not recommended. They don't fly very far, for a start.


You should see the size of our bathroom!

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Herd immunity on 09:58 - Mar 13 with 2372 viewsSwansea_Blue

Herd immunity on 09:54 - Mar 13 by m14_blue

Fit?


Nah, they're pretty ugly kids .

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