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Ok, so watching the newsnight interview (thx whoever suggested watching it) and it seems we are taking the approach of wanting the population to develop immunity.
A few thoughts / questions.
Is this actually our policy or was it just an opinion from an informed advisor?
If CV could kill you, why does it matter if you get it now or in say the autumn?
If there is an overall benefit from herd immunity, why are we emcouraging people of wash hands etc. We should surely be solely nessaging to isolate the vulnerable and encouraging preventative measures for those in contact with the vulnerable? (If we want herd immunity)
It's unavoidable though. Eg early middle-aged neighbour came over this afternoon to discuss party wall, outside in light rain & moderate breeze therefore safe - but as he left through picket gate where it's a small confined space between 2 angles of house wall, he stopped to chat 2 feet away from me & said he'd been in a post office 2 days ago where people had been sneezing & coughing away!
See also Tangled's (?) thread where he said he was sitting chatting in rellie's house when some loon burst in uninvited & started sneezing & coughing all over the place.
Anecdotal evidence. Yes, I know that.
But you were talking about the strategy.
The idea is that the most vulnerable do all that's possible to stay away from it.
How individuals deal with it cannot be controlled. If neighbours chat from 2 ft away etc. no one else can control that.
The PM has come out and admitted many of us will be saying goodbye ot someone.
The point is the overall greater good, (the greater good), and the reasoning is to allow the 'herd' to build up enough immunity that the rest eventually won't have to.
Given the potentially very serious situation, can you please stop it?
Sorry what I meant to say is that our Governments response is entirely logical and their are absolutely no mixed messages.
Edit...what is wrong with these people!!
When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire, writes Dr William Hanage, a professor of the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard.
The most fundamental function of a government is to keep its people safe. It is from this that it derives its authority, the confidence of the people and its legitimacy.
Nobody should be under the illusion that this is something that can be dodged through somehow manipulating a virus that we are only beginning to understand. This will not pass you by; this is not a tornado, it is a hurricane.
[Post edited 15 Mar 2020 13:30]
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
It's unavoidable though. Eg early middle-aged neighbour came over this afternoon to discuss party wall, outside in light rain & moderate breeze therefore safe - but as he left through picket gate where it's a small confined space between 2 angles of house wall, he stopped to chat 2 feet away from me & said he'd been in a post office 2 days ago where people had been sneezing & coughing away!
See also Tangled's (?) thread where he said he was sitting chatting in rellie's house when some loon burst in uninvited & started sneezing & coughing all over the place.
Yes I get all of that R, of course.
But we have the right to refuse people entry to our homes and, as you say, a chat outside with our neighbours from a few feet away surely is taking the appropriate steps.
I'm not certain a full weather forecast is relevant but ok.
Just you oldies need to be a bit sensible that's all, and us relative kids need to be cautious for you all.
But we have the right to refuse people entry to our homes and, as you say, a chat outside with our neighbours from a few feet away surely is taking the appropriate steps.
I'm not certain a full weather forecast is relevant but ok.
Just you oldies need to be a bit sensible that's all, and us relative kids need to be cautious for you all.
[Post edited 15 Mar 2020 13:56]
You didn't quite get it Jeera tbh - we were outside, but got to a narrow, enclosed pinchpoint by the gate where instead of going through, he suddenly stopped 2 feet away & turned to tell me how he'd just been in a post office where everyone was sneezing & coughing merrily away!
The advised distance is 2m (that's just over 6 feet I think).
Doesn't really matter - whether you get it or not, & whether sooner or later, is very much a lottery - we can't control everything was my point (albeit you can reduce risk of course).
You didn't quite get it Jeera tbh - we were outside, but got to a narrow, enclosed pinchpoint by the gate where instead of going through, he suddenly stopped 2 feet away & turned to tell me how he'd just been in a post office where everyone was sneezing & coughing merrily away!
The advised distance is 2m (that's just over 6 feet I think).
Doesn't really matter - whether you get it or not, & whether sooner or later, is very much a lottery - we can't control everything was my point (albeit you can reduce risk of course).
Carry a prod with you, maybe around a couple of metres long, so when anyone comes near you can push them away, a bit like a punt.
Or wear like a tutu thing with a really wide berth to ensure full personal space capacity.
I am on board that the messages aren't clear enough, along with any clear direction though.
[Post edited 15 Mar 2020 13:49]
I wouldn’t go that far either. But there’s no way I’d bet any money against the answer being ‘incompetence’. The CMO and CSA are eminently qualified, but they can only advise. Development of the plan, communication and implementation are not their jobs.
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