| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted 09:23 - Apr 9 with 2285 views | MaySixth |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:26 - Apr 9 with 1825 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Except that is exactly what the great unwashed were encouraged to think when this partial lockdown was introduced three weeks ago. |  |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:28 - Apr 9 with 1806 views | sparks |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:26 - Apr 9 by ElephantintheRoom |
Except that is exactly what the great unwashed were encouraged to think when this partial lockdown was introduced three weeks ago. |
No. It wasn't.
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:44 - Apr 9 with 1787 views | MattinLondon |
I’m only going by Facebook etc but I do think that a large percentage did expect the lockdown not to last for that long. Not sure why they did - as you say it’s sheer lunacy to expect restrictions to be lifted so soon.
On a side note the lockdown is costing the economy £2.4 billion per day. Restrictions won’t be eased now but sooner rather than later they will have to be or irreversible damage will be done economically.
I can see schools and nurseries being reopened by July allowing people to work a lot more productively at home. Then a gradual return - unfortunately if you’re over 70 etc then you’ll probably won’t be allowed out until October.
Well thats what I think. |  | | |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:48 - Apr 9 with 1768 views | unstableblue |
"Once we OPEN UP OUR GREAT COUNTRY, and it will be sooner rather than later, the horror of the Invisible Enemy, except for those that sadly lost a family member or friend, must be quickly forgotten. Our Economy will BOOM, perhaps like never before!!!" |  |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:51 - Apr 9 with 1752 views | StokieBlue |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:26 - Apr 9 by ElephantintheRoom |
Except that is exactly what the great unwashed were encouraged to think when this partial lockdown was introduced three weeks ago. |
You really do talk rubbish on a daily basis.
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:54 - Apr 9 with 1742 views | mrshallisfit |
Not when you worship at the shrine of the dollar it isn't. | | | |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:01 - Apr 9 with 1733 views | Darth_Koont |
What do you mean?
We can't be in permanent lockdown. We knew that from the start so we need to be looking at an exit strategy. With the glimmers of hope from Italy and Spain (plus the possibilities afforded by the new tests to track and warn of a spike) we should be looking at what can be done to lift restrictions sooner rather than later.
And it occurs to me the first thing we need to do is look at restrictions from a local and/or risk group perspective, rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. |  |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:05 - Apr 9 with 1715 views | StokieBlue |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:01 - Apr 9 by Darth_Koont |
What do you mean?
We can't be in permanent lockdown. We knew that from the start so we need to be looking at an exit strategy. With the glimmers of hope from Italy and Spain (plus the possibilities afforded by the new tests to track and warn of a spike) we should be looking at what can be done to lift restrictions sooner rather than later.
And it occurs to me the first thing we need to do is look at restrictions from a local and/or risk group perspective, rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. |
Do you think that will work?
I suspect that quite a few people in the group not allowed to go out will get rather annoyed and go out anyway. Same with local restrictions - people in other parts of the country aren't going to take kindly seeing images of people going about their lives whilst they are lockdown even if it's the correct decision.
Any lifting of the lockdown without opening of the schools is basically still going to involve a lot of the population in effective lockdown working from home even if they are technically not in lockdown.
I do agree they need to work out what their exit strategy is but at the moment it would seem a bit early to be considering implementing one.
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:05 - Apr 9 with 1710 views | gordon |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:01 - Apr 9 by Darth_Koont |
What do you mean?
We can't be in permanent lockdown. We knew that from the start so we need to be looking at an exit strategy. With the glimmers of hope from Italy and Spain (plus the possibilities afforded by the new tests to track and warn of a spike) we should be looking at what can be done to lift restrictions sooner rather than later.
And it occurs to me the first thing we need to do is look at restrictions from a local and/or risk group perspective, rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. |
We are miles away from having an exit strategy though aren't we? Would be dependent on having a really good understanding of the effect of different interventions, having a mass, rapid testing system, and contact tracing technologies. We don't have any of that, and we have no idea what proportion of society has actually had the virus, and the how much immunity there is in the community. Without knowing any of that, any lifting of the lockdown would be risking a lot of lives. |  | | |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:14 - Apr 9 with 1677 views | Chrisd |
Completely agree. Although there are small shoots of optimism, I can't see any changes until the end of this month at the very earliest. We all need to keep to the lock-down regulations and look at the bigger picture, if we do that the sooner we can return to some semblance of normality. | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:16 - Apr 9 with 1673 views | Guthrum |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:01 - Apr 9 by Darth_Koont |
What do you mean?
We can't be in permanent lockdown. We knew that from the start so we need to be looking at an exit strategy. With the glimmers of hope from Italy and Spain (plus the possibilities afforded by the new tests to track and warn of a spike) we should be looking at what can be done to lift restrictions sooner rather than later.
And it occurs to me the first thing we need to do is look at restrictions from a local and/or risk group perspective, rather than a one-size-fits-all approach. |
Unfortunately, Covid-19 does have a one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to infection, if not necessarily mortality. Regional lockdowns only work if there is a highly localised concentration, with little spread outside that area (as the Chinese had with Wuhan).
Italy and Spain may give us a few clues as to the progress of the disease, but they are some way ahead. We've been in lockdown less than three weeks, that's barely long enough for any positive effects to show in the stats.
Yes, it is doing serious damage to the economy. We're going to have austerity to beat all former austerities, unless some other financial trickery can be found to get out of this (high taxation is not necessarily an option if there's a worldwide recession). But, equally, there's no point in relaxing measures earlier than we practically can, just to result in another major outbreak. |  |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:20 - Apr 9 with 1655 views | Radlett_blue |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:44 - Apr 9 by MattinLondon |
I’m only going by Facebook etc but I do think that a large percentage did expect the lockdown not to last for that long. Not sure why they did - as you say it’s sheer lunacy to expect restrictions to be lifted so soon.
On a side note the lockdown is costing the economy £2.4 billion per day. Restrictions won’t be eased now but sooner rather than later they will have to be or irreversible damage will be done economically.
I can see schools and nurseries being reopened by July allowing people to work a lot more productively at home. Then a gradual return - unfortunately if you’re over 70 etc then you’ll probably won’t be allowed out until October.
Well thats what I think. |
If the current lockdown continues indefinitely, it won't just be irreparable damage to the economy, but the country will eventually run out of money. Some form of easing to permit economic activity is essential, but it will be a brave government which does this while the daily death toll remains high, although this is a lagging indicator. The hysterical, sensationalist media, led by the likes of Piers Morgan, doesn't help. |  |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:20 - Apr 9 with 1653 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:48 - Apr 9 by unstableblue |
"Once we OPEN UP OUR GREAT COUNTRY, and it will be sooner rather than later, the horror of the Invisible Enemy, except for those that sadly lost a family member or friend, must be quickly forgotten. Our Economy will BOOM, perhaps like never before!!!" |
You are Donald Trump STFU. |  |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:23 - Apr 9 with 1646 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:05 - Apr 9 by StokieBlue |
Do you think that will work?
I suspect that quite a few people in the group not allowed to go out will get rather annoyed and go out anyway. Same with local restrictions - people in other parts of the country aren't going to take kindly seeing images of people going about their lives whilst they are lockdown even if it's the correct decision.
Any lifting of the lockdown without opening of the schools is basically still going to involve a lot of the population in effective lockdown working from home even if they are technically not in lockdown.
I do agree they need to work out what their exit strategy is but at the moment it would seem a bit early to be considering implementing one.
SB |
Agreed. Just to qualify what I'm saying: I think we'll need more time in the UK because we probably haven't reached our peak with hospitalisations and the stretching of resources. We at least need to see numbers dropping first. So I don't see much relaxing of restrictions before the end of April at the earliest.
But the exit strategy looks clearer every day: Continued isolation for at-risk groups and local lockdowns when and where necessary to protect healthcare resources. With that strategy in place, schools will be the first back, followed by more people working in non-essential jobs while still encouraging people to be sensible about working from home and avoiding unnecessary travel.
The key is the government doing stuff for the actual long term and overall good of the country. I'm sure we're rapidly approaching a point where the mortality rate of an over-cautious lockdown and how many years a deeper recession takes off average life expectancy will start surpassing some of the worst-case Covid-19 outcomes. | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:27 - Apr 9 with 1630 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:16 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
Unfortunately, Covid-19 does have a one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to infection, if not necessarily mortality. Regional lockdowns only work if there is a highly localised concentration, with little spread outside that area (as the Chinese had with Wuhan).
Italy and Spain may give us a few clues as to the progress of the disease, but they are some way ahead. We've been in lockdown less than three weeks, that's barely long enough for any positive effects to show in the stats.
Yes, it is doing serious damage to the economy. We're going to have austerity to beat all former austerities, unless some other financial trickery can be found to get out of this (high taxation is not necessarily an option if there's a worldwide recession). But, equally, there's no point in relaxing measures earlier than we practically can, just to result in another major outbreak. |
But that's my point. Trying to limit the spread of infection is probably not the long-term or sustainable approach. Managing the spread seems the only realistic way to carry us to the point where a vaccine is available. | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:30 - Apr 9 with 1614 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 09:51 - Apr 9 by StokieBlue |
You really do talk rubbish on a daily basis.
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Talking to yourself again?
Three weeks ago, when this partial lockdown was introduced after a disastrous false start there was no indication that it would go on for months.. with no idea of how and when to end it......just a blase bit of blather that it would be reviewed in three weeks.
You do have problems with facts dont you? | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:39 - Apr 9 with 1575 views | StokieBlue |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:30 - Apr 9 by ElephantintheRoom |
Talking to yourself again?
Three weeks ago, when this partial lockdown was introduced after a disastrous false start there was no indication that it would go on for months.. with no idea of how and when to end it......just a blase bit of blather that it would be reviewed in three weeks.
You do have problems with facts dont you? |
Unbelievable post from someone who doesn't seem to know what a fact is. You've been consistently wrong and even offensive with your "facts" on here.
You've even put in this post that they said they would review at Easter which is what they are doing. They never said it was likely to be lifted then. You've contradicted your own original post with this one.
Honestly, give the trolling a rest.
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:39 - Apr 9 with 1578 views | homer_123 |
And yet: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930
Government says lock down must continue but on the other hand non-essential Gov workers told to get back to work. |  |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:39 - Apr 9 with 1570 views | BloomBlue |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:30 - Apr 9 by ElephantintheRoom |
Talking to yourself again?
Three weeks ago, when this partial lockdown was introduced after a disastrous false start there was no indication that it would go on for months.. with no idea of how and when to end it......just a blase bit of blather that it would be reviewed in three weeks.
You do have problems with facts dont you? |
Sorry but that's a stupid comment
It has to be reviewed on a regular basis, based in the data as it's a constant changing situation
What was you expecting the Gov to come out and say 'we will end the lock down on May 7th, there will be 10,326 who die from CV etc etc'?
You obviously think there are people out there who can predict everything.
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:44 - Apr 9 with 1552 views | Guthrum |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:27 - Apr 9 by Darth_Koont |
But that's my point. Trying to limit the spread of infection is probably not the long-term or sustainable approach. Managing the spread seems the only realistic way to carry us to the point where a vaccine is available. |
We don't really know whether limiting the spread is still viable or not, as there are no reliable statistics for penetration into the wider population. Until we have a large-scale, quick test available (which nobody has, even the best larger nations have not done more than a miniscule proportion of their populations), we won't know.
It might be still quite low at this stage. Of the 233k people tested to date - all ill in hospital with serious suspected C-19 symptoms, or health workers in direct contact with them - 73.9% of them have come back negative. Nearly three-quarters of the cohort most likely to have C-19 apparently do not have the disease.
The other thing is that 'managing the spread' becomes a euphemism for juggling the death rates, deciding what is an acceptable level of mortality in order to protect the economy and avoid hospitals becoming overwhelmed. | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:52 - Apr 9 with 1528 views | gordon |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:44 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
We don't really know whether limiting the spread is still viable or not, as there are no reliable statistics for penetration into the wider population. Until we have a large-scale, quick test available (which nobody has, even the best larger nations have not done more than a miniscule proportion of their populations), we won't know.
It might be still quite low at this stage. Of the 233k people tested to date - all ill in hospital with serious suspected C-19 symptoms, or health workers in direct contact with them - 73.9% of them have come back negative. Nearly three-quarters of the cohort most likely to have C-19 apparently do not have the disease.
The other thing is that 'managing the spread' becomes a euphemism for juggling the death rates, deciding what is an acceptable level of mortality in order to protect the economy and avoid hospitals becoming overwhelmed. |
Yes, this - lifting the lockdown in any meaningful sense wouldn't be feasible until we had some idea of what proportion of the population had been infected, and the extent to which that conferred immunity. Otherwise, it could be a recipe for disaster. | | | |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:55 - Apr 9 with 1524 views | Guthrum |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:27 - Apr 9 by Darth_Koont |
But that's my point. Trying to limit the spread of infection is probably not the long-term or sustainable approach. Managing the spread seems the only realistic way to carry us to the point where a vaccine is available. |
Tho there's some interesting stuff coming out this morning on the German studies of the outbreak in the town of Heisenberg. Higher than expected rates of infection and immunity. Can't find a complete article on it yet, but will post if I can. | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 11:17 - Apr 9 with 1486 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:44 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
We don't really know whether limiting the spread is still viable or not, as there are no reliable statistics for penetration into the wider population. Until we have a large-scale, quick test available (which nobody has, even the best larger nations have not done more than a miniscule proportion of their populations), we won't know.
It might be still quite low at this stage. Of the 233k people tested to date - all ill in hospital with serious suspected C-19 symptoms, or health workers in direct contact with them - 73.9% of them have come back negative. Nearly three-quarters of the cohort most likely to have C-19 apparently do not have the disease.
The other thing is that 'managing the spread' becomes a euphemism for juggling the death rates, deciding what is an acceptable level of mortality in order to protect the economy and avoid hospitals becoming overwhelmed. |
You're the one marooned in la-la land - admittedly with a few other cloested one-eyed loons.
I am not saying this partial lockdown should be ended... if anything an actual lockdown should be started - rather than the current idiocy
What I am saying is that clear communication is needed and telling people that the virus is in their community and is not kept in hosptials by some clapping. | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 11:18 - Apr 9 with 1481 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 10:39 - Apr 9 by StokieBlue |
Unbelievable post from someone who doesn't seem to know what a fact is. You've been consistently wrong and even offensive with your "facts" on here.
You've even put in this post that they said they would review at Easter which is what they are doing. They never said it was likely to be lifted then. You've contradicted your own original post with this one.
Honestly, give the trolling a rest.
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Think we all need to make a decision not to respond to any of his posts. He might then give up.
We have known from the start of thr lockdown that those at greatest risk would be gold to self isolate for up to twelve weeks. | |
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| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 11:25 - Apr 9 with 1465 views | giant_stow |
| Lunacy to expect any lockdown restrictions should be lifted on 11:17 - Apr 9 by ElephantintheRoom |
You're the one marooned in la-la land - admittedly with a few other cloested one-eyed loons.
I am not saying this partial lockdown should be ended... if anything an actual lockdown should be started - rather than the current idiocy
What I am saying is that clear communication is needed and telling people that the virus is in their community and is not kept in hosptials by some clapping. |
Re the clapping, wasn't there talk a while back of there being a govt agency/ department setup for news management and the influencing of public opinion?
The clap for boris had a definate whiff of a hidden hand. |  |
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