| NHS pay 00:17 - Apr 11 with 3197 views | pistonbroke |
Hopefully after Boris gets through this awful illness , and he has relied on our wonderful nhs staff , he will then pay them the wages that they deserve |  | | |  |
| NHS pay on 00:42 - Apr 11 with 2370 views | J2BLUE |
It will be up to us to demand they get paid more. We will have to voluntarily demand a tax increase to pay them more. |  |
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| NHS pay on 01:04 - Apr 11 with 2357 views | monytowbray |
| NHS pay on 00:42 - Apr 11 by J2BLUE |
It will be up to us to demand they get paid more. We will have to voluntarily demand a tax increase to pay them more. |
Or they could close tax loopholes. The entire world. If this crisis has proven anything it’s that billionaires should give more back and are mostly worthless. |  |
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| NHS pay on 07:25 - Apr 11 with 2264 views | LiquidPaz |
It's still grips my sh1t, thinking back to the government cheering like kids at a party when they voted not to increase NHS pay, whilst happily accepting an 11% pay rise themselves. |  | | |
| NHS pay on 07:27 - Apr 11 with 2257 views | Dubtractor |
| NHS pay on 01:04 - Apr 11 by monytowbray |
Or they could close tax loopholes. The entire world. If this crisis has proven anything it’s that billionaires should give more back and are mostly worthless. |
To paraphrase a theme I've seen a few times recently.
What is the point of letting billionaires hoard wealth in the good times if they won't put any back in during the bad times? |  |
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| NHS pay on 09:41 - Apr 11 with 2172 views | Guthrum |
| NHS pay on 07:27 - Apr 11 by Dubtractor |
To paraphrase a theme I've seen a few times recently.
What is the point of letting billionaires hoard wealth in the good times if they won't put any back in during the bad times? |
At the risk of being controversial, many - probably most - of the super-wealthy do put a lot back in terms of charitable giving (in good times and bad). Tho a lot of attention is focussed upon those bad eggs who don't, or who behave in a blatantly grasping fashion.
The problem is more with large companies who use their leverage to get favourable tax agreements at extremely low rates compared with smaller fry. Also with a certain class of the moderately wealthy (in the tens of millions bracket), who are intent on increasing their fortunes but, coming from the libertarian/greed is good background popularised in the '80s, ideologically disinclined to support society. |  |
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| NHS pay on 09:47 - Apr 11 with 2153 views | Pinewoodblue |
Government will respond to public opinion. If the populous demanded that standard rate of income tax was increased by 1p to be spent on increase in nurses pay, and the higher rate by 2p then I am sure it would happen. |  |
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| NHS pay on 10:10 - Apr 11 with 2119 views | mos |
I don’t know.
After all the debt we will accumulate after this, and the massive budget deficit that we will incur I doubt there’ll be major spending plans to follow. |  |
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| NHS pay on 10:22 - Apr 11 with 2099 views | Pinewoodblue |
| NHS pay on 10:10 - Apr 11 by mos |
I don’t know.
After all the debt we will accumulate after this, and the massive budget deficit that we will incur I doubt there’ll be major spending plans to follow. |
Think the biggest potential problem is that after this is over people might be reluctant to spend, postpone home improvements , replace car etc | |
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| NHS pay on 10:25 - Apr 11 with 2090 views | noggin |
I believe BJ is on a private ward. #All in it together [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 10:36]
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| NHS pay on 10:37 - Apr 11 with 2069 views | mos |
| NHS pay on 10:22 - Apr 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Think the biggest potential problem is that after this is over people might be reluctant to spend, postpone home improvements , replace car etc |
Agreed, I think this could be very impactful on the rate of our economic recovery.
It’s a shame because I don’t think anyone would disagree there is some serious funding that needs to be put into the NHS amongst other things. | |
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| NHS pay on 10:39 - Apr 11 with 2057 views | noggin |
| NHS pay on 10:37 - Apr 11 by mos |
Agreed, I think this could be very impactful on the rate of our economic recovery.
It’s a shame because I don’t think anyone would disagree there is some serious funding that needs to be put into the NHS amongst other things. |
350 million a week, post brexit. | |
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| NHS pay on 10:39 - Apr 11 with 2059 views | StokieBlue |
| NHS pay on 10:25 - Apr 11 by noggin |
I believe BJ is on a private ward. #All in it together [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 10:36]
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Petty sniping like this is totally pointless at this time.
He's the PM, not entirely sure what you were expecting. It would be the same with any historic PM from any party.
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| NHS pay on 10:40 - Apr 11 with 2046 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| NHS pay on 10:10 - Apr 11 by mos |
I don’t know.
After all the debt we will accumulate after this, and the massive budget deficit that we will incur I doubt there’ll be major spending plans to follow. |
Qualified doctors are very well paid (rightly so), I don't think their wage needs reviewing. I know a doctor who was concerned that his pension was accumulating at such a rate he was worried about the extra tax it might attract.
I think it's primarily nurses and more junior staff who are seen as underpaid. |  |
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| NHS pay on 10:43 - Apr 11 with 2027 views | BlueNomad |
| NHS pay on 10:25 - Apr 11 by noggin |
I believe BJ is on a private ward. #All in it together [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 10:36]
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There are security issues around protecting the head of government. For that reason alone he needs to be kept separate from everyone else. |  | | |
| NHS pay on 10:44 - Apr 11 with 2024 views | noggin |
| NHS pay on 10:40 - Apr 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Qualified doctors are very well paid (rightly so), I don't think their wage needs reviewing. I know a doctor who was concerned that his pension was accumulating at such a rate he was worried about the extra tax it might attract.
I think it's primarily nurses and more junior staff who are seen as underpaid. |
You might want to look at the pay rate for junior doctors, as well as their working hours. | |
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| NHS pay on 10:45 - Apr 11 with 2019 views | Pinewoodblue |
| NHS pay on 10:40 - Apr 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Qualified doctors are very well paid (rightly so), I don't think their wage needs reviewing. I know a doctor who was concerned that his pension was accumulating at such a rate he was worried about the extra tax it might attract.
I think it's primarily nurses and more junior staff who are seen as underpaid. |
Well said. No doubt senior hospital administrators are in the same position. | |
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| NHS pay on 10:46 - Apr 11 with 2014 views | noggin |
| NHS pay on 10:39 - Apr 11 by StokieBlue |
Petty sniping like this is totally pointless at this time.
He's the PM, not entirely sure what you were expecting. It would be the same with any historic PM from any party.
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I would normally agree, but this is a government that cheered when they won a vote on denying nurses a pay rise. | |
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| NHS pay on 10:47 - Apr 11 with 2002 views | mos |
| NHS pay on 10:39 - Apr 11 by noggin |
350 million a week, post brexit. |
Might be a whoosh.
But how much of that will have to go to farmers as a replacement for EU CAP subsidies? And isn’t membership of one of the world’s biggest political and economic unions worth the price we pay? | |
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| NHS pay on 10:48 - Apr 11 with 1995 views | mos |
| NHS pay on 10:40 - Apr 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Qualified doctors are very well paid (rightly so), I don't think their wage needs reviewing. I know a doctor who was concerned that his pension was accumulating at such a rate he was worried about the extra tax it might attract.
I think it's primarily nurses and more junior staff who are seen as underpaid. |
I didn’t mention doctors. We are in agreement. | |
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| NHS pay on 10:50 - Apr 11 with 1985 views | noggin |
| NHS pay on 10:47 - Apr 11 by mos |
Might be a whoosh.
But how much of that will have to go to farmers as a replacement for EU CAP subsidies? And isn’t membership of one of the world’s biggest political and economic unions worth the price we pay? |
Yes, I was joking. | |
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| NHS pay on 10:54 - Apr 11 with 1956 views | Lord_Lucan |
| NHS pay on 10:46 - Apr 11 by noggin |
I would normally agree, but this is a government that cheered when they won a vote on denying nurses a pay rise. |
This government?
When was this? |  |
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| NHS pay on 10:54 - Apr 11 with 1959 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| NHS pay on 10:44 - Apr 11 by noggin |
You might want to look at the pay rate for junior doctors, as well as their working hours. |
To be fair, they take a short term hit for a long term gain (like many people working their way up). The rewards are there. [Post edited 11 Apr 2020 10:55]
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| NHS pay on 11:03 - Apr 11 with 1934 views | noggin |
| NHS pay on 10:54 - Apr 11 by Lord_Lucan |
This government?
When was this? |
The tory government, yes. Boris was there. | |
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| NHS pay on 11:06 - Apr 11 with 1930 views | Swansea_Blue |
| NHS pay on 09:41 - Apr 11 by Guthrum |
At the risk of being controversial, many - probably most - of the super-wealthy do put a lot back in terms of charitable giving (in good times and bad). Tho a lot of attention is focussed upon those bad eggs who don't, or who behave in a blatantly grasping fashion.
The problem is more with large companies who use their leverage to get favourable tax agreements at extremely low rates compared with smaller fry. Also with a certain class of the moderately wealthy (in the tens of millions bracket), who are intent on increasing their fortunes but, coming from the libertarian/greed is good background popularised in the '80s, ideologically disinclined to support society. |
There’s quite a disparity between responses of the super rich.
The founder of Twitter is donating $1bn to the efforts, which is about 28% of his worth. That’s a sizeable chunk and highly commendable (yet still won’t be missed).
Bezos on the other hand is donating $100m to a food bank. That’ll no doubt be transformational for them, but that’s only 0.08% of his wealth. Or equivalent to someone on the average wage donating £23 (notwithstanding difference between wealth and income of course). Increasingly Bezos comes across as a total arsehole, especially in light of complaints he’s not taking health of his staff seriously.
Even Bill Gates, who’s getting positive press, is ‘only’ spending a “few billions”. He’ll still have over $95 billion of his fortune untouched. That’s more than the GDP of 126 countries.
I’m surprised there’s not more pressure on these people. |  |
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| NHS pay on 11:08 - Apr 11 with 1924 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Erm no. Unfortunately reality has to kick in when this finaly ends - if it ever ends - because it can always come back.
There are only two certainties in life - death and taxes. So health workers and everyone else can plan on earning less in future through higer taxes.
For generations to come, massive tax increases is the only way to pay for what is going on at present - let alone rebuild the weflare state and health systems to a state where they may actually be able to work when and if the unexpected happens again. | |
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