| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... 08:35 - May 1 with 3850 views | hampstead_blue |
stuck in the middle chewing on a crappy sandwich.
Can we please have some sense in the world!
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
| | Poll: | Best Blackpool goal |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 08:41 - May 1 with 2221 views | BloomBlue |
You need to move to Sweden or Japan |  | | |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 08:43 - May 1 with 2214 views | NewcyBlue |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 08:41 - May 1 by BloomBlue |
You need to move to Sweden or Japan |
Said the rabid Brexiteer.
Couldn’t make it up. |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 08:46 - May 1 with 2211 views | hampstead_blue |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 08:43 - May 1 by NewcyBlue |
Said the rabid Brexiteer.
Couldn’t make it up. |
play nicely......
I voted for Brexit and even got my rabies treated... ;-) | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
| | Poll: | Best Blackpool goal |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 10:41 - May 1 with 2137 views | monytowbray |
How is the left "authoritarian" in your view? |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:18 - May 1 with 2110 views | Libero |
It's a crazy time in many ways.
I like how people use "centrist" as a put down/insult.
Most of the time I see it used the person isn't even really displaying centrist views, more considering the merit in both sides of the subject, you know, like an intelligent and considered adult. |  | | |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:36 - May 1 with 2101 views | WeWereZombies |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 10:41 - May 1 by monytowbray |
How is the left "authoritarian" in your view? |
Oooh, that sounds like you are about to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
But, I will grant you, these days the hyper authoritarians are more likely to be right wing. |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:52 - May 1 with 2087 views | SpruceMoose |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 10:41 - May 1 by monytowbray |
How is the left "authoritarian" in your view? |
Because Hampstead is a few sandwiches, some pork pies, some crisps, a thermos, a blanket, some Mr Kipling baked goods and a picnic basket short of a picnic? |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:53 - May 1 with 2083 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:36 - May 1 by WeWereZombies |
Oooh, that sounds like you are about to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
But, I will grant you, these days the hyper authoritarians are more likely to be right wing. |
Only if he takes the bait and then it is a ten pager. |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:56 - May 1 with 2075 views | leitrimblue |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:52 - May 1 by SpruceMoose |
Because Hampstead is a few sandwiches, some pork pies, some crisps, a thermos, a blanket, some Mr Kipling baked goods and a picnic basket short of a picnic? |
And a scotch egg? |  | | |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:58 - May 1 with 2061 views | Leaky |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:36 - May 1 by WeWereZombies |
Oooh, that sounds like you are about to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
But, I will grant you, these days the hyper authoritarians are more likely to be right wing. |
Or a ton of feathers! |  | | |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:59 - May 1 with 2058 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:56 - May 1 by leitrimblue |
And a scotch egg? |
A hot egg, a crescent of crisps and a side clump of cress. |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:01 - May 1 with 2047 views | leitrimblue |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:59 - May 1 by Lord_Lucan |
A hot egg, a crescent of crisps and a side clump of cress. |
Good call. I'd also like that pork pie to have a hard boiled egg in the middle. | | | |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:06 - May 1 with 2034 views | Guthrum |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:36 - May 1 by WeWereZombies |
Oooh, that sounds like you are about to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
But, I will grant you, these days the hyper authoritarians are more likely to be right wing. |
I really think the terms "left" and "right" are not adquate for the current situation (given the fact they refer to seating arrangements in the French Estates General of the 1790s, probably about time they were retired).
Modern authoritarians can probably better be divided into populist (e.g. Orban, Modi) and military (sometimes disguised as civilian, e.g. el-Sisi). They tend to concentrate more on nationalism and propping up their own support than specific economic philosophies. |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:07 - May 1 with 2030 views | SpruceMoose |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:01 - May 1 by leitrimblue |
Good call. I'd also like that pork pie to have a hard boiled egg in the middle. |
I need to up my picnic game compared to you two! | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:08 - May 1 with 2030 views | WeWereZombies |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:58 - May 1 by Leaky |
Or a ton of feathers! |
I see what you are trying to do but that rather takes the wind out of your fellow Tory's sails, doesn't it? | |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:12 - May 1 with 2020 views | footers |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:07 - May 1 by SpruceMoose |
I need to up my picnic game compared to you two! |
I know someone who may be able to help. Sadly she doesn't post on here much anymore. |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:16 - May 1 with 2007 views | Darth_Koont |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:18 - May 1 by Libero |
It's a crazy time in many ways.
I like how people use "centrist" as a put down/insult.
Most of the time I see it used the person isn't even really displaying centrist views, more considering the merit in both sides of the subject, you know, like an intelligent and considered adult. |
In an ideal world, yes. But our current centrists look decidedly unbalanced and factional as they try to manouevre themselves into position of political power.
The only true centre is where people understand the need to have a genuine balance between liberty and equality, the short-term versus the long-term, GDP and people's well-being, human life and the environment ... not the self-centrists waving a white flag to the status quo and saying they'll provide "safe" opposition as long as they can be in charge. |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:21 - May 1 with 1987 views | WeWereZombies |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:06 - May 1 by Guthrum |
I really think the terms "left" and "right" are not adquate for the current situation (given the fact they refer to seating arrangements in the French Estates General of the 1790s, probably about time they were retired).
Modern authoritarians can probably better be divided into populist (e.g. Orban, Modi) and military (sometimes disguised as civilian, e.g. el-Sisi). They tend to concentrate more on nationalism and propping up their own support than specific economic philosophies. |
Does language work like that? I vaguely remember this reference to French post-revolutionary politics (you have probably posted it before) but I would argue that it is what attaches to the terms over time that counts. SO most have a general conception of 'left' as being socialist, likely to favour workers (especially those in trade unions) and open to new social norms. 'Right' to favour traditional values, resistant to a change in the social order and giving encouragement to the individual as a wealth creator (who can then distribute philanthropically if they so wish).
The terms may undergo challenges and permutations (the right wing agenda of New Labour, one nation Tories being considered on the left of that party) but are useful as a quick reference to determine the standing of people and organisations for those who do not have the time, inclination or education to examine the detail. | |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:21 - May 1 with 1985 views | monytowbray |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:36 - May 1 by WeWereZombies |
Oooh, that sounds like you are about to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
But, I will grant you, these days the hyper authoritarians are more likely to be right wing. |
Just sounds like a soundbite someone picked up on a pro-UKIP Facebook group comment they repeated without really knowing what it means.
Sort of like Americans when they use “Communist” as a slur. | |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:23 - May 1 with 1978 views | monytowbray |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:53 - May 1 by Pinewoodblue |
Only if he takes the bait and then it is a ten pager. |
Is it “bait” or a valid question.
There’s the problem really. Stokie can have an 8 page row about the subjective meaning of the throwaway use of the word “loads” and that’s fine. But I ask a legit question and it’s bait.
Eurgh. [Post edited 1 May 2020 12:24]
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:34 - May 1 with 1952 views | Darth_Koont |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:21 - May 1 by WeWereZombies |
Does language work like that? I vaguely remember this reference to French post-revolutionary politics (you have probably posted it before) but I would argue that it is what attaches to the terms over time that counts. SO most have a general conception of 'left' as being socialist, likely to favour workers (especially those in trade unions) and open to new social norms. 'Right' to favour traditional values, resistant to a change in the social order and giving encouragement to the individual as a wealth creator (who can then distribute philanthropically if they so wish).
The terms may undergo challenges and permutations (the right wing agenda of New Labour, one nation Tories being considered on the left of that party) but are useful as a quick reference to determine the standing of people and organisations for those who do not have the time, inclination or education to examine the detail. |
I think Left and Right work in general terms but it's the underlying and competing ideas of Equality and Liberty that need to be focused on more.
Some have a blind reaction to the words Left or Right but thinking about them in their truest meanings would make agreement and balanced policies that much easier for people to accept. I've never heard of people argue against equality or against liberty unless they've been total nutters, just like those who promote one to the exclusion of everything else.
These are the people and politicians we need worry about and consider the extreme and unhelpful sides of the debate. We certainly shouldn't be voting for them. | |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:42 - May 1 with 1918 views | bluelagos |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 08:43 - May 1 by NewcyBlue |
Said the rabid Brexiteer.
Couldn’t make it up. |
You've even got me advocating we should believe the police ;-) |  |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:43 - May 1 with 1919 views | WeWereZombies |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:21 - May 1 by monytowbray |
Just sounds like a soundbite someone picked up on a pro-UKIP Facebook group comment they repeated without really knowing what it means.
Sort of like Americans when they use “Communist” as a slur. |
Not really, there have been plenty of administrations, especially in Latin America, which have been regarded as left-wing (Cuba since Castro took control, Nicaragua Venezuela under Maduro, Nicaragua under the last of Ortega's terms) but which have had repressive tactics when it comes to opposition to their regime (the argument usually being that the old order has a highly manipulative hand in the economy and other facets of the nations power so it is fair to fight fire with fire).
When do you label a regime that was regarded as left-wing as having now become right wing? I think most would accept that the ascent of Stalin was a significant moment in viewing the USSR as having become totalitarian but other commentators, most notably the venerable philosopher and framer of the types of freedom Isaiah Berlin, cite instances during and immediately after the October Revolution as indicators a lurch toward a repressive regime had occurred. | |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:43 - May 1 with 1911 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:01 - May 1 by leitrimblue |
Good call. I'd also like that pork pie to have a hard boiled egg in the middle. |
That would make it a gala pie. | |
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| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 12:47 - May 1 with 1899 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Authoritarian to the left, buffoon the right, here we are... on 11:18 - May 1 by Libero |
It's a crazy time in many ways.
I like how people use "centrist" as a put down/insult.
Most of the time I see it used the person isn't even really displaying centrist views, more considering the merit in both sides of the subject, you know, like an intelligent and considered adult. |
I think the people who use 'centrist' as an insult are pissed off that over the last decade or so many people who consider themselves centrists have helped enable a succession of increasingly appalling Conservative governments, often by being unwilling to support Labour (who in most places are the only real option to defeat the Tories).
The concept of false balance has often been discussed on here with regards to things like the BBC allowing climate change deniers an equal platform with the majority scientific view. I think this could equally be applied in many political situations now, which means that people who insist on taking the 'middle road' view end up in a position where they are half-agreeing with something that's patently bullsh!t. |  | | |
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