| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. 20:10 - May 5 with 4655 views | homer_123 |
Still...let gets these restrictions lifted asap. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 21:05 - May 5 with 2026 views | Ely_Blue |
It’s the lack of respect for the restrictions that haven’t helped with the death toll in the first place so whilst I don’t agree with lifting them any time soon people and businesses haven’t really helped themselves or the country by not sticking to what we were asked to do, it’s not too difficult surely? |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:13 - May 5 with 1985 views | Guthrum |
We don't know that yet. All we have is a number produced by the ONS under a certain set of criteria, which is greater than the numbers published by other countries using their own sets of criteria. If all the sets of criteria were identical, a direct comparison could be made. Otherwise, it's a rough guide to relative severity at best.
Also worth bearing in mind we have one of the largest populations in Europe (fourth, behind Russia, Germany and France). |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:14 - May 5 with 1999 views | NotSure |
Agreed, look at Germany, lifted restrictions over 2 weeks ago and deaths and new cases continue to plummet.
It's spring / summer, this virus is going away, we should be lifting our restrictions now. |  | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:18 - May 5 with 1960 views | jeera |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:14 - May 5 by NotSure |
Agreed, look at Germany, lifted restrictions over 2 weeks ago and deaths and new cases continue to plummet.
It's spring / summer, this virus is going away, we should be lifting our restrictions now. |
Germany's new wave hasn't begun yet.
"The virus is going away"?
Are you Donald Trump? |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:20 - May 5 with 1957 views | Ftnfwest |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:13 - May 5 by Guthrum |
We don't know that yet. All we have is a number produced by the ONS under a certain set of criteria, which is greater than the numbers published by other countries using their own sets of criteria. If all the sets of criteria were identical, a direct comparison could be made. Otherwise, it's a rough guide to relative severity at best.
Also worth bearing in mind we have one of the largest populations in Europe (fourth, behind Russia, Germany and France). |
If you take england alone there are very few countries in the world now with a denser population. Most that are are places like Hong Kong, macau, Gibraltar etc. Taiwan, South Korea and Bangladesh are the only comparable or larger countries with a higher density |  | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:20 - May 5 with 1953 views | NotSure |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:18 - May 5 by jeera |
Germany's new wave hasn't begun yet.
"The virus is going away"?
Are you Donald Trump? |
Look at the data, new cases are in absolute freefall.
They eased restrictions 15 days ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Germany#Statistics | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:23 - May 5 with 1943 views | jeera |
It's almost as though distancing measures have made a difference isn't it.
Despite some people who have been determined to do the opposite. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:25 - May 5 with 1927 views | m14_blue |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:20 - May 5 by Ftnfwest |
If you take england alone there are very few countries in the world now with a denser population. Most that are are places like Hong Kong, macau, Gibraltar etc. Taiwan, South Korea and Bangladesh are the only comparable or larger countries with a higher density |
All the more reason to lockdown early then wouldn’t you say?
Surely our government are aware of our population density? No one mentioned it until it’s all gone tits up. |  | | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:26 - May 5 with 1923 views | NotSure |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:23 - May 5 by jeera |
It's almost as though distancing measures have made a difference isn't it.
Despite some people who have been determined to do the opposite. |
Did you not read about the May Day celebrations in Germany then?
209 arrests, loads of people marching together. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:52 - May 5 with 1873 views | Ftnfwest |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:25 - May 5 by m14_blue |
All the more reason to lockdown early then wouldn’t you say?
Surely our government are aware of our population density? No one mentioned it until it’s all gone tits up. |
Belgium locked down 9 days earlier and still have a much higher death rate. I think you’re right about them being aware of our population density though, probably a lot more than previous ones tbh. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:02 - May 5 with 1857 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:14 - May 5 by NotSure |
Agreed, look at Germany, lifted restrictions over 2 weeks ago and deaths and new cases continue to plummet.
It's spring / summer, this virus is going away, we should be lifting our restrictions now. |
Look, I realise you're just trolling for attention, but fúck off with your shît for brains nonsense. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:07 - May 5 with 1844 views | monytowbray |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 21:05 - May 5 by Ely_Blue |
It’s the lack of respect for the restrictions that haven’t helped with the death toll in the first place so whilst I don’t agree with lifting them any time soon people and businesses haven’t really helped themselves or the country by not sticking to what we were asked to do, it’s not too difficult surely? |
Your ability to move the goal posts and pass where the obvious blame is impresses me. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:10 - May 5 with 1840 views | NthQldITFC |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:13 - May 5 by Guthrum |
We don't know that yet. All we have is a number produced by the ONS under a certain set of criteria, which is greater than the numbers published by other countries using their own sets of criteria. If all the sets of criteria were identical, a direct comparison could be made. Otherwise, it's a rough guide to relative severity at best.
Also worth bearing in mind we have one of the largest populations in Europe (fourth, behind Russia, Germany and France). |
That just won't sink in with many no matter how many times it is pointed out. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:17 - May 5 with 1837 views | BlueBadger |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:02 - May 5 by SpruceMoose |
Look, I realise you're just trolling for attention, but fúck off with your shît for brains nonsense. |
Pretty sure that Phil can offer the red card now under the 'persistent fouling' rule.. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:22 - May 5 with 1821 views | jeera |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:26 - May 5 by NotSure |
Did you not read about the May Day celebrations in Germany then?
209 arrests, loads of people marching together. |
Which part of this are you finding difficult?
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:23 - May 5 with 1815 views | jeera |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:17 - May 5 by BlueBadger |
Pretty sure that Phil can offer the red card now under the 'persistent fouling' rule.. |
Agree.
Constantly looking for bites, constantly repeating the same nonsense. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:56 - May 5 with 1778 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:23 - May 5 by jeera |
Agree.
Constantly looking for bites, constantly repeating the same nonsense. |
He will be gone before the weekend. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 00:00 - May 6 with 1770 views | jeera |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 23:56 - May 5 by SpruceMoose |
He will be gone before the weekend. |
Should we be running a book on it?
We could split the days into windows, maybe a simple am/pm type thing, or 2 hourly slots. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 06:23 - May 6 with 1677 views | m14_blue |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:52 - May 5 by Ftnfwest |
Belgium locked down 9 days earlier and still have a much higher death rate. I think you’re right about them being aware of our population density though, probably a lot more than previous ones tbh. |
You’re right of course that there isn’t a direct correlation between timing of lockdown and deaths, it’s obviously much more complicated than that.
I do find this ‘population density’ excuse from those who slavishly follow the ones wearing blue ties odd though (not necessarily talking about you but I’ve seen lots of it on social media).
If it really is the case that we were always going to be more exposed due to our population density then it makes the laissez-faire attitude of the first few weeks even more unforgivable. If a massive death toll was always inevitable/likely then what on earth was Boris doing fiddling at Chequers while the country started to burn. If they knew we would lose more people than Italy then why the fcuk did he not even bother to attend 5 successive COBRA meetings?
Surely we should have been more cautious than most given our population density, not allowed the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead and thousands of Atletico fans to fly in from a Covid19 hotspot?
Why were we not checking people entering the country if we were more susceptible than almost any country on earth? | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 07:40 - May 6 with 1625 views | Ftnfwest |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 06:23 - May 6 by m14_blue |
You’re right of course that there isn’t a direct correlation between timing of lockdown and deaths, it’s obviously much more complicated than that.
I do find this ‘population density’ excuse from those who slavishly follow the ones wearing blue ties odd though (not necessarily talking about you but I’ve seen lots of it on social media).
If it really is the case that we were always going to be more exposed due to our population density then it makes the laissez-faire attitude of the first few weeks even more unforgivable. If a massive death toll was always inevitable/likely then what on earth was Boris doing fiddling at Chequers while the country started to burn. If they knew we would lose more people than Italy then why the fcuk did he not even bother to attend 5 successive COBRA meetings?
Surely we should have been more cautious than most given our population density, not allowed the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead and thousands of Atletico fans to fly in from a Covid19 hotspot?
Why were we not checking people entering the country if we were more susceptible than almost any country on earth? |
Agree the international travel issue is the biggest in my view and particularly the atletico fans at Liverpool which we all found barmy at the time even. There was even precedent for that with juve fans being allowed to travel to Lyon on 26 Feb so I’m sure the Italian government must be getting it as well.
I’m just finding the density stat staggering in a wider sense really than just covid related. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 07:43 - May 6 with 1626 views | m14_blue |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 07:40 - May 6 by Ftnfwest |
Agree the international travel issue is the biggest in my view and particularly the atletico fans at Liverpool which we all found barmy at the time even. There was even precedent for that with juve fans being allowed to travel to Lyon on 26 Feb so I’m sure the Italian government must be getting it as well.
I’m just finding the density stat staggering in a wider sense really than just covid related. |
It did seem incredible that it went ahead.
Agree it’s a really interesting stat. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 08:15 - May 6 with 1594 views | Mullet |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 06:23 - May 6 by m14_blue |
You’re right of course that there isn’t a direct correlation between timing of lockdown and deaths, it’s obviously much more complicated than that.
I do find this ‘population density’ excuse from those who slavishly follow the ones wearing blue ties odd though (not necessarily talking about you but I’ve seen lots of it on social media).
If it really is the case that we were always going to be more exposed due to our population density then it makes the laissez-faire attitude of the first few weeks even more unforgivable. If a massive death toll was always inevitable/likely then what on earth was Boris doing fiddling at Chequers while the country started to burn. If they knew we would lose more people than Italy then why the fcuk did he not even bother to attend 5 successive COBRA meetings?
Surely we should have been more cautious than most given our population density, not allowed the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead and thousands of Atletico fans to fly in from a Covid19 hotspot?
Why were we not checking people entering the country if we were more susceptible than almost any country on earth? |
This website has a nice map showing population density but the table above it is weird. It shows "Paris" is the most densely populated region in Europe and the divides London into boroughs which are roughly half the density by square km.
But it possibly shows that the density argument isn't at all what people think it is. I feel like there's this assumption that London is millions of people all sat on top of each other and Britain had other big cities which must be the same in people's heads.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20170406-1?inheri
A quick scan of the globe shows it's mostly small islands or places in Asia outside of China which have higher densities per km as a country - I notice one is Sint Maarten who was being praised as part of the "women leaders are better" trope in the news, but was actually the outlier, it was tracking similar deaths per head as us at the end of April when those articles were coming out.
https://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-europe-by-population/
You can use this site to see our %of urban population is lower than people assume too. In Europe alone we're a bit of top 10 and globally we below plenty more. So this idea that it's only a major problem in cities which seemed popular doesn't work either does it? |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 08:52 - May 6 with 1563 views | Ftnfwest |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 08:15 - May 6 by Mullet |
This website has a nice map showing population density but the table above it is weird. It shows "Paris" is the most densely populated region in Europe and the divides London into boroughs which are roughly half the density by square km.
But it possibly shows that the density argument isn't at all what people think it is. I feel like there's this assumption that London is millions of people all sat on top of each other and Britain had other big cities which must be the same in people's heads.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20170406-1?inheri
A quick scan of the globe shows it's mostly small islands or places in Asia outside of China which have higher densities per km as a country - I notice one is Sint Maarten who was being praised as part of the "women leaders are better" trope in the news, but was actually the outlier, it was tracking similar deaths per head as us at the end of April when those articles were coming out.
https://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-europe-by-population/
You can use this site to see our %of urban population is lower than people assume too. In Europe alone we're a bit of top 10 and globally we below plenty more. So this idea that it's only a major problem in cities which seemed popular doesn't work either does it? |
I think the reference to 'Paris' there is for the small innermost district (effectively the 'City of Paris') judging by other on line information, with the other districts well below the London Boroughs. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 08:57 - May 6 with 1553 views | Mullet |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 08:52 - May 6 by Ftnfwest |
I think the reference to 'Paris' there is for the small innermost district (effectively the 'City of Paris') judging by other on line information, with the other districts well below the London Boroughs. |
I presumed so but it struck me as odd to present it like that, Paris is organised in arrandisements or something isn't it?
Overall though you can see that density only really matters when combined with the response and the demographics which is data we just don't have to hand easily. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:03 - May 6 with 1535 views | Ftnfwest |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 08:57 - May 6 by Mullet |
I presumed so but it struck me as odd to present it like that, Paris is organised in arrandisements or something isn't it?
Overall though you can see that density only really matters when combined with the response and the demographics which is data we just don't have to hand easily. |
Looks as if Belgium correlates in terms of death rate with a high urban density, although i have to say i wasn't thinking about it in terms of any urban/rural split tbh. The other thing that sets us out apart i would say is that compared to france/italy/spain in particular, distances between urban areas are just much smaller. England as distinct from the UK as a whole just hasn't got any sizeable 'remote' areas anymore. Overall i just can't see how density can be dismissed any more than overall population size. | | | |
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