| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. 20:10 - May 5 with 4654 views | homer_123 |
Still...let gets these restrictions lifted asap. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:08 - May 6 with 1768 views | GeoffSentence |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:14 - May 5 by NotSure |
Agreed, look at Germany, lifted restrictions over 2 weeks ago and deaths and new cases continue to plummet.
It's spring / summer, this virus is going away, we should be lifting our restrictions now. |
Why on Earth do we have 'abuse reported' for that?
It is simply an opinion, no-one is being insulted. It looks like an abuse of the abuse button to me. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:10 - May 6 with 1765 views | Mullet |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:03 - May 6 by Ftnfwest |
Looks as if Belgium correlates in terms of death rate with a high urban density, although i have to say i wasn't thinking about it in terms of any urban/rural split tbh. The other thing that sets us out apart i would say is that compared to france/italy/spain in particular, distances between urban areas are just much smaller. England as distinct from the UK as a whole just hasn't got any sizeable 'remote' areas anymore. Overall i just can't see how density can be dismissed any more than overall population size. |
Have you not been to Cornwall, Cumbria, Yorkshire, Scotland, Wales, the Fens etc they are all attached to England and the death rate includes them doesn't it? To say there are no big empty spaces in this country relative to its size isn't fair either, but the proportions are going to be different because of geography etc.
Likewise New Zealand has a similar urban population to us because basically everyone lives in Auckland, surely that should be utterly decimated if it tracks with us?
There's far too many variables. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:22 - May 6 with 1752 views | Ftnfwest |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:10 - May 6 by Mullet |
Have you not been to Cornwall, Cumbria, Yorkshire, Scotland, Wales, the Fens etc they are all attached to England and the death rate includes them doesn't it? To say there are no big empty spaces in this country relative to its size isn't fair either, but the proportions are going to be different because of geography etc.
Likewise New Zealand has a similar urban population to us because basically everyone lives in Auckland, surely that should be utterly decimated if it tracks with us?
There's far too many variables. |
When I've been to most of those areas they've been swamped with tourists! If our urban population proportion is comparable to the other countries mentioned then our rural population must be as large but its in a smaller area (hence our large overall population density). Density will obviously only come into it once the virus arrives in any given country and with NZ they didn't have hordes of unchecked arrivals from skiing holidays in Italy (which was the real failing at the start). |  | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:26 - May 6 with 1750 views | Mullet |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:22 - May 6 by Ftnfwest |
When I've been to most of those areas they've been swamped with tourists! If our urban population proportion is comparable to the other countries mentioned then our rural population must be as large but its in a smaller area (hence our large overall population density). Density will obviously only come into it once the virus arrives in any given country and with NZ they didn't have hordes of unchecked arrivals from skiing holidays in Italy (which was the real failing at the start). |
But not during lockdown, there was a huge and justified stink in North Wales when loads of people fled to their caravans and the area had barely any beds or Drs. Imagine other countries having that mentality.
There is something wrong with a large chunk of this country that still thinks they won a war they weren't even born to see, and this government loves to parrot that fantasy. We'll see it again this weekend no doubt.
It ties in with the idea people wouldn't follow lockdown, but actually I think we've seen far more obedience and the minority are being shown up. I saw two instances of people breaking social distancing yesterday, and I think it comes from this idea that everyone else is doing it without consequence.
I agree with your last point, but that's because they locked down arrivals and we didn't did we? Italy et al. aren't a fair comparison as they were hit blindside. We watched it unfold then stuck our chin out and gritted our teeth thanks to Boris. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:32 - May 6 with 1741 views | Radlett_blue |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 07:40 - May 6 by Ftnfwest |
Agree the international travel issue is the biggest in my view and particularly the atletico fans at Liverpool which we all found barmy at the time even. There was even precedent for that with juve fans being allowed to travel to Lyon on 26 Feb so I’m sure the Italian government must be getting it as well.
I’m just finding the density stat staggering in a wider sense really than just covid related. |
Those were high profile situations, but thousands of people were coming back to the UK from Italy every day, for example. I know 2 people who contacted COVID-19 out there. If the UK had locked its borders very early it would have made a difference, but doing that is nowhere as easy as it sounds e.g. do you strand thousands of British citizens overseas? |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:34 - May 6 with 1738 views | m14_blue |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:32 - May 6 by Radlett_blue |
Those were high profile situations, but thousands of people were coming back to the UK from Italy every day, for example. I know 2 people who contacted COVID-19 out there. If the UK had locked its borders very early it would have made a difference, but doing that is nowhere as easy as it sounds e.g. do you strand thousands of British citizens overseas? |
People travelling home is one thing, although there should have been stringent testing and quarantining processes.
Thousands of people travelling to watch a football match, crammed in pubs and bars, is completely different and completely avoidable. Particularly when games elsewhere were being cancelled or played behind closed doors. |  | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:42 - May 6 with 1729 views | Ftnfwest |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:26 - May 6 by Mullet |
But not during lockdown, there was a huge and justified stink in North Wales when loads of people fled to their caravans and the area had barely any beds or Drs. Imagine other countries having that mentality.
There is something wrong with a large chunk of this country that still thinks they won a war they weren't even born to see, and this government loves to parrot that fantasy. We'll see it again this weekend no doubt.
It ties in with the idea people wouldn't follow lockdown, but actually I think we've seen far more obedience and the minority are being shown up. I saw two instances of people breaking social distancing yesterday, and I think it comes from this idea that everyone else is doing it without consequence.
I agree with your last point, but that's because they locked down arrivals and we didn't did we? Italy et al. aren't a fair comparison as they were hit blindside. We watched it unfold then stuck our chin out and gritted our teeth thanks to Boris. |
Exactly right on last point and i think that's been a little bit sidelined by the actual lockdown 'observance' arguments tbh. The whole day trip thing that particular weekend was what actually led to the 'full' lockdown. There's a lot of critical comparison with how the observation of lockdown elsewhere has gone, but it's often comparing different 'demographics' lets say and they've certainly been handing out fines for non-observance everywhere not just here. Agree as well on this 'casual non-observance' though. People tend to dictate 'flexibility'in the rules themselves. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:01 - May 6 with 1721 views | GeoffSentence |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:18 - May 5 by jeera |
Germany's new wave hasn't begun yet.
"The virus is going away"?
Are you Donald Trump? |
With luck and a fair wind they won't get a second wave. It has been two weeks since the lockdown was eased and new infections are still falling. Which is very encouraging. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:03 - May 6 with 1717 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 22:52 - May 5 by Ftnfwest |
Belgium locked down 9 days earlier and still have a much higher death rate. I think you’re right about them being aware of our population density though, probably a lot more than previous ones tbh. |
Belgium's declared numbers include all cases where CV19 is suspected. On a like-for-like basis, UK is a bit worse than Belgium adjusted for population size. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:05 - May 6 with 1713 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:10 - May 6 by Mullet |
Have you not been to Cornwall, Cumbria, Yorkshire, Scotland, Wales, the Fens etc they are all attached to England and the death rate includes them doesn't it? To say there are no big empty spaces in this country relative to its size isn't fair either, but the proportions are going to be different because of geography etc.
Likewise New Zealand has a similar urban population to us because basically everyone lives in Auckland, surely that should be utterly decimated if it tracks with us?
There's far too many variables. |
Germany has the huge, urban sprawl of North Rhine Westphalia, interconnected cities, high population density, high pollution etc. But death rates are a small fraction of ours. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:07 - May 6 with 1710 views | NotSure |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:01 - May 6 by GeoffSentence |
With luck and a fair wind they won't get a second wave. It has been two weeks since the lockdown was eased and new infections are still falling. Which is very encouraging. |
Careful with these views.
You will be told to f*ck off, that you have sh*t for brains ... and then get reported for abuse! |  | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:11 - May 6 with 1703 views | itfcjoe |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 21:05 - May 5 by Ely_Blue |
It’s the lack of respect for the restrictions that haven’t helped with the death toll in the first place so whilst I don’t agree with lifting them any time soon people and businesses haven’t really helped themselves or the country by not sticking to what we were asked to do, it’s not too difficult surely? |
Don't believe the gutter press, look at the stats the Govt provide re lockdown.
People are obeying it for more than they thought they would and modelled for |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:12 - May 6 with 1702 views | MaySixth |
Seven weeks ago I put up a thread showing how quickly this virus was going to spread if we didn't go into lockdown asap.
It was based on science.
A number of people told me it was 'fake news' and to calm down. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 12:58 - May 6 with 1679 views | jeera |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:01 - May 6 by GeoffSentence |
With luck and a fair wind they won't get a second wave. It has been two weeks since the lockdown was eased and new infections are still falling. Which is very encouraging. |
With luck?
And people being sensible and taking some responsibilty.
The figures haven't dropped on their own. |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:02 - May 6 with 1676 views | r2d2 |
Everyones a fcuking expert on this site. |  | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:05 - May 6 with 1673 views | jeera |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:02 - May 6 by r2d2 |
Everyones a fcuking expert on this site. |
The OP was clearly sarcasm. | |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:16 - May 6 with 1663 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not sure why people are fixated on the current death toll (which others correctly pointed out cannot be directly compared to other countires as everyone has recorded/collated differently).
My point is this we are in this for the long haul, and sadly people will continue to die from this disease. Only in 12/18 months we will know the toll, and who knows, maybe the early exposures/slow lockdown will have created some immunity, and our future waves of infection will be less severe than other nations. Time will tell... | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:42 - May 6 with 1648 views | linhdi |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:16 - May 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Not sure why people are fixated on the current death toll (which others correctly pointed out cannot be directly compared to other countires as everyone has recorded/collated differently).
My point is this we are in this for the long haul, and sadly people will continue to die from this disease. Only in 12/18 months we will know the toll, and who knows, maybe the early exposures/slow lockdown will have created some immunity, and our future waves of infection will be less severe than other nations. Time will tell... |
It doesn't take much effort to compare different countries. There are many sites which provide useful data, even interpreting where there are differences in definition of reporting.
Acknowledging that analysing stats down to the last 5% provided spurious accuracy, it remains obvious that UK is up there with Spain, Italy + Belgium / NL, quite likely above all bar Italy (and that's coming soon). It's equally clear that many countries have a far lower incidence / mortality, incl central / eastern Europe and Germany.
Our current mortality and infection rates ( which have increased as we are now testing at international levels) are higher than any other country that is considering releasing their lockdowns. With the exception of the US, so where Trump has made it his policy to open the economy, at the expense of lives. | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:49 - May 6 with 1636 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:02 - May 6 by r2d2 |
Everyones a fcuking expert on this site. |
That's not a problem is it? Unless it make you feel inferior or something? You should treat it as a learning opportunity! |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 15:21 - May 6 with 1615 views | noggin |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:02 - May 6 by r2d2 |
Everyones a fcuking expert on this site. |
Brexit proved that experts are obsolete and outdated. Random Facebook posts are now the go-to source for information innit. |  |
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| That's not true though.... on 15:32 - May 6 with 1617 views | Bloots |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 13:42 - May 6 by linhdi |
It doesn't take much effort to compare different countries. There are many sites which provide useful data, even interpreting where there are differences in definition of reporting.
Acknowledging that analysing stats down to the last 5% provided spurious accuracy, it remains obvious that UK is up there with Spain, Italy + Belgium / NL, quite likely above all bar Italy (and that's coming soon). It's equally clear that many countries have a far lower incidence / mortality, incl central / eastern Europe and Germany.
Our current mortality and infection rates ( which have increased as we are now testing at international levels) are higher than any other country that is considering releasing their lockdowns. With the exception of the US, so where Trump has made it his policy to open the economy, at the expense of lives. |
….Belgium (who are the only other country reporting deaths in a way comparable to ours) have a far higher mortality and infection rate than we do, and they are allowing 4 visitors to households and shops are reopening.
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 15:34 - May 6 with 1606 views | Ely_Blue |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 10:11 - May 6 by itfcjoe |
Don't believe the gutter press, look at the stats the Govt provide re lockdown.
People are obeying it for more than they thought they would and modelled for |
I’m not believing fake news, I am believing what I am seeing with my own eyes and hearing from other people whom I personally know |  |
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| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 15:38 - May 6 with 1604 views | longtimefan |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 09:32 - May 6 by Radlett_blue |
Those were high profile situations, but thousands of people were coming back to the UK from Italy every day, for example. I know 2 people who contacted COVID-19 out there. If the UK had locked its borders very early it would have made a difference, but doing that is nowhere as easy as it sounds e.g. do you strand thousands of British citizens overseas? |
It wasn't thousands, it was of the order of 1M.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/coronavirus-britons-abroad-urged-t | | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 15:40 - May 6 with 1598 views | Clapham_Junction |
Apart from the 40% increase of new cases in the last two days, you're quite right. |  | | |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 15:52 - May 6 with 1585 views | NotSure |
| Well...we've outdone Europe on the most deaths then. on 15:40 - May 6 by Clapham_Junction |
Apart from the 40% increase of new cases in the last two days, you're quite right. |
I can see you aren't a statistician.
You can never take a 1 day increase and quote that.
So you cunningly use 2 days and use percentages for an increase of 268.
1 May - 1,639
2 May - 945
3 May - 793
4 May - 679
5 May - 685
6 May - 947
There also tends to be a slight increase at the end of every week but the overwhelming trend is down. Good attempt and an immediate upvote from people desperate to disagree with me. | | | |
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