| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. 19:19 - May 27 with 11285 views | tractordownsouth |
What a load of nonsense. Nothing she said was inaccurate
Dominic Cummings broke the rules - FACT
He's made many people feel they can flout the rules - FACT, the police have said people have used Cummings as an excuse when being told off for breaking the rules
Public mood is anger at Cummings - FACT, literally all opinion polls have a large majority for him to resign, or at least apologise
As Mr O'Brien says, you cannot balance fact with fiction.
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:24 - May 27 with 1907 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:19 - May 27 by bluelagos |
I disagree with reference to the trip to Barnard Castle. They were out of isolation so there were only 1 of 4 reasons (by law) to leave the house.
Work, exercise, shopping or medical need. None of those were in place so this family trip was in breach of the law as far as I can tell.
The clause about protecting the vulnerable child would no longer apply as they were out of isolation and he was no longer in a vulnerable position. |
Agree again, but i think he argues it is for work, i.e. to travel back, and that the first trip was necessary for the second. As I said at the time, that was Prince Andrew territory in credibility, but I am just saying, as it stands it is not fact. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:26 - May 27 with 1893 views | bluelagos |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:22 - May 27 by Swansea_Blue |
He/she is trolling over a point of semantics despite disagreeing with the point he/she is arguing for. A waste of everybody’s time. |
Two people I know are adamant Cummings didnt break the rules. One I suspect is trolling me, the other, my budgie neighbour is just a bit stupid. But he hears what he likes and kind of ignores what he doesn't. Suppose we all do that a bit but it is frustrating. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:26 - May 27 with 1894 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:22 - May 27 by Swansea_Blue |
He/she is trolling over a point of semantics despite disagreeing with the point he/she is arguing for. A waste of everybody’s time. |
I am not trolling, it is people jumping to the wrong conclusion that is the problem. I saw someone say it was FACT and i wanted to point out that, regrettably, it is not fact. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:29 - May 27 with 1880 views | tractordownsouth |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:26 - May 27 by Trequartista |
I am not trolling, it is people jumping to the wrong conclusion that is the problem. I saw someone say it was FACT and i wanted to point out that, regrettably, it is not fact. |
Sad you weren't a fan of my Rafa Benitez impression | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:31 - May 27 with 1874 views | sparks |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:04 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It says "we are aware that not all these measures will be possible."
Before we continue an argument that may not exist, let me repeat what i've said elsewhere on the thread.
It is in the opinion of Mr Cummings that this clause means he hasn't broken the rules, it is in my opinion he has broken the rules, but this doesn't mean it is a fact. |
Actually- I am content to say that it is a fact.
His explanation sought to conflate "not always possible" with "if there is a childcare issue, use your judgment". The two phrases are not remotely equivalent.
At no stage, did compliance become "impossible". Ergo the rule was broken.
It was broken again with the trip to barnards castle, which was plainly not "essential", not least because even if one takes the account at face value, his wife could have taken over driving if he felt in difficulty en route to London. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:52 - May 27 with 1836 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:26 - May 27 by Trequartista |
I am not trolling, it is people jumping to the wrong conclusion that is the problem. I saw someone say it was FACT and i wanted to point out that, regrettably, it is not fact. |
He admitted to breaking the lockdown rule and law (and probably a driving one too, although we all know he wasn’t checking his eyesight).
Edit - although, his account contradicts his Mrs’, so there’s a good chance he’s lying about all of it (or she is). Based on what he’s said he broke the rules, but that doesn’t mean he did what he said. [Post edited 27 May 2020 21:00]
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:54 - May 27 with 1828 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:31 - May 27 by sparks |
Actually- I am content to say that it is a fact.
His explanation sought to conflate "not always possible" with "if there is a childcare issue, use your judgment". The two phrases are not remotely equivalent.
At no stage, did compliance become "impossible". Ergo the rule was broken.
It was broken again with the trip to barnards castle, which was plainly not "essential", not least because even if one takes the account at face value, his wife could have taken over driving if he felt in difficulty en route to London. |
"not always possible" doesn't have to mean "use your judgement".
"Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible." can be interpreted as downgrading rules to guidelines i.e. these are rules but they can be broken in certain circumstances.
It is so vague that leaves it open to interpretation about what those circumstances are. I don't think the circumstances warranted it, so i think he has broken the rules, but he does think they warranted it. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:54 - May 27 with 1834 views | LankHenners |
She's now been dropped from tonight's programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/27/bbc-switches-emily-maitlis-in-news
I've never been one for a lot of the BBC-bashing that goes around but on matters like this they're an utter disgrace. As the article points out, they get themselves tied up in knots over and over again on stuff like this and at best makes them look incompetent. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:00 - May 27 with 1792 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:52 - May 27 by Swansea_Blue |
He admitted to breaking the lockdown rule and law (and probably a driving one too, although we all know he wasn’t checking his eyesight).
Edit - although, his account contradicts his Mrs’, so there’s a good chance he’s lying about all of it (or she is). Based on what he’s said he broke the rules, but that doesn’t mean he did what he said. [Post edited 27 May 2020 21:00]
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He said he'd followed the guidelines and behaved reasonably and legally in his statement, i don't know what he might have said since. [Post edited 27 May 2020 21:00]
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:01 - May 27 with 1785 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:00 - May 27 by Trequartista |
He said he'd followed the guidelines and behaved reasonably and legally in his statement, i don't know what he might have said since. [Post edited 27 May 2020 21:00]
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Yeah, while describing events that were in breach of the rules. That’s the whole issue - they’re lying. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:02 - May 27 with 1779 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:52 - May 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, because it’s complete bollox. |
I don't think Trekkers is trying to defend DC, I think he is trying to highlight the technicality that has been used. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:02 - May 27 with 1780 views | sparks |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:54 - May 27 by Trequartista |
"not always possible" doesn't have to mean "use your judgement".
"Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible." can be interpreted as downgrading rules to guidelines i.e. these are rules but they can be broken in certain circumstances.
It is so vague that leaves it open to interpretation about what those circumstances are. I don't think the circumstances warranted it, so i think he has broken the rules, but he does think they warranted it. |
No- it means he still broke them- no matter what status you give them. The wording is clear.
What is perhaps less clear is that any offence was committed- given that the regulations talk of breaching a restriction "without reasonable excuse".
Though that cannot possibly apply to Barnards Castle... | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:02 - May 27 with 1776 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:29 - May 27 by tractordownsouth |
Sad you weren't a fan of my Rafa Benitez impression |
It might be your opinion that i didn't like your impression, but it is not fact  | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:02 - May 27 with 1776 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:54 - May 27 by LankHenners |
She's now been dropped from tonight's programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/27/bbc-switches-emily-maitlis-in-news
I've never been one for a lot of the BBC-bashing that goes around but on matters like this they're an utter disgrace. As the article points out, they get themselves tied up in knots over and over again on stuff like this and at best makes them look incompetent. |
Disgusting. Shame on the BBC. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:11 - May 27 with 1749 views | Darth_Koont |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:54 - May 27 by LankHenners |
She's now been dropped from tonight's programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/27/bbc-switches-emily-maitlis-in-news
I've never been one for a lot of the BBC-bashing that goes around but on matters like this they're an utter disgrace. As the article points out, they get themselves tied up in knots over and over again on stuff like this and at best makes them look incompetent. |
Unfortunately they come across as a deeply flawed and compromised organisation in terms of speaking truth to power.
They should stick to local news, radio and light entertainment. And use Reuters for everything else. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:15 - May 27 with 1737 views | jeera |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 20:54 - May 27 by LankHenners |
She's now been dropped from tonight's programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/27/bbc-switches-emily-maitlis-in-news
I've never been one for a lot of the BBC-bashing that goes around but on matters like this they're an utter disgrace. As the article points out, they get themselves tied up in knots over and over again on stuff like this and at best makes them look incompetent. |
Holy sh1t! She's been replaced!?
I think she's really good.
What the hell are they doing?
Is this Johnson's influence? [Post edited 27 May 2020 21:30]
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:15 - May 27 with 1736 views | Trequartista |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:02 - May 27 by sparks |
No- it means he still broke them- no matter what status you give them. The wording is clear.
What is perhaps less clear is that any offence was committed- given that the regulations talk of breaching a restriction "without reasonable excuse".
Though that cannot possibly apply to Barnards Castle... |
If you have a set of rules and set of exceptions to the rules, you haven't broken the rules if you meet one of the exceptions. If i land on Trafalgar Square in monopoly and don't pay any rent, i haven't broken the rules if it is mortgaged. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:20 - May 27 with 1723 views | Ftnfwest |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:28 - May 27 by Trequartista |
It's not fact that he broke the rules. There was a vague clause that provided a loophole. |
Yes whilst you could have put that a lot better, it’s certainly true that after weeks of moaning about how vague and confusing the guidelines supposedly are, people seem to be crystal clear on this. |  | | |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:20 - May 27 with 1716 views | jaykay |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 19:42 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Oh goodness, groundhog day. |
oh goodness, groundhog day |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:22 - May 27 with 1708 views | jeera |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:20 - May 27 by Ftnfwest |
Yes whilst you could have put that a lot better, it’s certainly true that after weeks of moaning about how vague and confusing the guidelines supposedly are, people seem to be crystal clear on this. |
Some parts were crystal clear.
You only have to look at the amount of twisting and bending to make things fit to see which parts those were.
This isn't complicated, but it has become a silly game for some. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:27 - May 27 with 1696 views | factual_blue |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:15 - May 27 by jeera |
Holy sh1t! She's been replaced!?
I think she's really good.
What the hell are they doing?
Is this Johnson's influence? [Post edited 27 May 2020 21:30]
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She hasn't been sacked. Just not fronting tonight's show. Look at it as the BBC showing boris how to deal with what could otherwise become an issue.
Probably all boris needed to do was to tell everybody 'I've spoken to dominic cummings. He has explained what exactly he did, and why. Whilst I can understand those reasons, I made it very clear to him that, in my view, and I suspect in the view many millions of people up and down the country, that he was wrong and has, as a consequence, upset people who have gone through great personal hardships over the past weeks and months since this terrible virus arrived in the United Kingdom.
'I have asked the Cabinet Office and the Department of Health to work together to write a statement that mr cummings will read out on live television, and I have told mr cummings of this.
'He is considering his position'. |  |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:29 - May 27 with 1687 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:15 - May 27 by jeera |
Holy sh1t! She's been replaced!?
I think she's really good.
What the hell are they doing?
Is this Johnson's influence? [Post edited 27 May 2020 21:30]
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Woah, calm down.
Shot too early. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:29 - May 27 with 1681 views | jeera |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:27 - May 27 by factual_blue |
She hasn't been sacked. Just not fronting tonight's show. Look at it as the BBC showing boris how to deal with what could otherwise become an issue.
Probably all boris needed to do was to tell everybody 'I've spoken to dominic cummings. He has explained what exactly he did, and why. Whilst I can understand those reasons, I made it very clear to him that, in my view, and I suspect in the view many millions of people up and down the country, that he was wrong and has, as a consequence, upset people who have gone through great personal hardships over the past weeks and months since this terrible virus arrived in the United Kingdom.
'I have asked the Cabinet Office and the Department of Health to work together to write a statement that mr cummings will read out on live television, and I have told mr cummings of this.
'He is considering his position'. |
I see. I misread that then.
I shall edit it so I don't seem alarmist. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:32 - May 27 with 1671 views | jeera |
| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:29 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Woah, calm down.
Shot too early. |
Never, ever do I need your opinion on anything.
Anything, ever. | |
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| The BBC apologise for Emily Maitlis. on 21:33 - May 27 with 1663 views | Guthrum |
Hmph. They haven't apologised for Jeremy Clarkson yet. |  |
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