| So, which statue are you going to protect? 23:30 - Jun 10 with 9385 views | syntaxerror |
The DFLA (Football Lads Alliance (now with apparent added democracy) are going to be protecting statues this weekend, from the evil destroyers of old colonial white men's statues.
So I am curious, what will members of the board protect?
A question for the FLA (sorry DFLA) guys on here - can I protect the Mandela statue in Parliament square? |  | | |  |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:12 - Jun 11 with 3333 views | ElephantintheRoom |
The difficulty of right-on political correctness is where to you draw the line? Mandela was a convicted terrorist before he came a latter day saint. Give it a couple of hundred years and he could become a latter day Drake in an equally blinkered future.
In the far off days when I was a student in Bristol the Student Union self-importantly wrote to Mandela in prison saying he'd be pleased to know a large bar in the shiny new student union building was now The Mandela Bar - and the middle class students stand with you - at least for three or four cheap pints.
He wrote back and said please don't I am teetotal and don't believe in alcohol... so a much smaller salad bar was named after him instead. |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:27 - Jun 11 with 3295 views | gordon |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:12 - Jun 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
The difficulty of right-on political correctness is where to you draw the line? Mandela was a convicted terrorist before he came a latter day saint. Give it a couple of hundred years and he could become a latter day Drake in an equally blinkered future.
In the far off days when I was a student in Bristol the Student Union self-importantly wrote to Mandela in prison saying he'd be pleased to know a large bar in the shiny new student union building was now The Mandela Bar - and the middle class students stand with you - at least for three or four cheap pints.
He wrote back and said please don't I am teetotal and don't believe in alcohol... so a much smaller salad bar was named after him instead. |
I think what you're arguing for is statues to be given tenure on a plinth for a fixed period of time (let's say 20 years) to account for the ever-shifting boundaries of what is and isn't considered to be cricket. Every 20 years there would be a local vote to either continue or discontinue with the incumbent, and recommend replacements.
Would be a way to engage and educate the masses with history, have great local debates, and would head-off the stupid debates we're currently having.
Great idea. |  | | |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:48 - Jun 11 with 3247 views | footers |
Over my dead body.
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:48 - Jun 11 with 3242 views | solemio |
Sir Alf called the Argentina footballers animals. I suppose his statue will have to go. | | | |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:49 - Jun 11 with 3235 views | mikeybloo88 |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:27 - Jun 11 by gordon |
I think what you're arguing for is statues to be given tenure on a plinth for a fixed period of time (let's say 20 years) to account for the ever-shifting boundaries of what is and isn't considered to be cricket. Every 20 years there would be a local vote to either continue or discontinue with the incumbent, and recommend replacements.
Would be a way to engage and educate the masses with history, have great local debates, and would head-off the stupid debates we're currently having.
Great idea. |
Or just don't put any statues up ever again... there will always be some group which will get offended about someone about something and start crying. |  | | |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:50 - Jun 11 with 3226 views | DanTheMan |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:49 - Jun 11 by mikeybloo88 |
Or just don't put any statues up ever again... there will always be some group which will get offended about someone about something and start crying. |
Yeah, imagine being offended by the slave trade. Crazy! |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:53 - Jun 11 with 3214 views | Dubtractor |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:50 - Jun 11 by DanTheMan |
Yeah, imagine being offended by the slave trade. Crazy! |
Well quite. This isn't about people that once said a bad thing about black people, it is people that carried out horrific acts. |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:55 - Jun 11 with 3206 views | gordon |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:49 - Jun 11 by mikeybloo88 |
Or just don't put any statues up ever again... there will always be some group which will get offended about someone about something and start crying. |
Yes, I also support this idea, no more statues celebrating power, in any form. | | | |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:58 - Jun 11 with 3193 views | gordon |
Here's a nice thread on a statue in Letna Park in Prague.
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:00 - Jun 11 with 3178 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:53 - Jun 11 by Dubtractor |
Well quite. This isn't about people that once said a bad thing about black people, it is people that carried out horrific acts. |
Baden Powell this morning.
#catamongstthepigeons |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:00 - Jun 11 with 3175 views | DanTheMan |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:58 - Jun 11 by gordon |
Here's a nice thread on a statue in Letna Park in Prague.
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I bet now everyone has forgotten who Stalin was though. | |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:01 - Jun 11 with 3166 views | gordon |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:00 - Jun 11 by DanTheMan |
I bet now everyone has forgotten who Stalin was though. |
Well exactly. And what a crybaby that sculptor was. | | | |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:03 - Jun 11 with 3153 views | gordon |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:00 - Jun 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Baden Powell this morning.
#catamongstthepigeons |
Sh*t! Did you have Baden-Powell in the sweepstake? | | | |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:05 - Jun 11 with 3135 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:03 - Jun 11 by gordon |
Sh*t! Did you have Baden-Powell in the sweepstake? |
Sweepstake? I must have been working too hard...the shame of it. | |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:43 - Jun 11 with 3035 views | mikeybloo88 |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:50 - Jun 11 by DanTheMan |
Yeah, imagine being offended by the slave trade. Crazy! |
That wasn't exactly what I was saying...but cheers for proving my theory. It was a serious suggestion as it seems clear that unless you can guarantee that the person you wish to celebrate is a total saint, they will have held certain views which at some point in the future may prove offensive to some or all parts of a society which has moved on. | | | |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:49 - Jun 11 with 3023 views | DanTheMan |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:43 - Jun 11 by mikeybloo88 |
That wasn't exactly what I was saying...but cheers for proving my theory. It was a serious suggestion as it seems clear that unless you can guarantee that the person you wish to celebrate is a total saint, they will have held certain views which at some point in the future may prove offensive to some or all parts of a society which has moved on. |
And my point was that there is a massive difference between holding certain common views that have changed over time and contributing to and profiting from the slave trade.
And even if so, who cares if you eventually have to take something down a few hundred years later? Why does it actually matter? | |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:51 - Jun 11 with 3012 views | lowhouseblue |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:43 - Jun 11 by mikeybloo88 |
That wasn't exactly what I was saying...but cheers for proving my theory. It was a serious suggestion as it seems clear that unless you can guarantee that the person you wish to celebrate is a total saint, they will have held certain views which at some point in the future may prove offensive to some or all parts of a society which has moved on. |
total saints? yeah but those saints come with all sorts of religious baggage. we need to rip the effigies of saints out of churches as well. and then burn stuff. |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:53 - Jun 11 with 3002 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 08:43 - Jun 11 by mikeybloo88 |
That wasn't exactly what I was saying...but cheers for proving my theory. It was a serious suggestion as it seems clear that unless you can guarantee that the person you wish to celebrate is a total saint, they will have held certain views which at some point in the future may prove offensive to some or all parts of a society which has moved on. |
The moving on bit is key. Things change, accepted norms change. No big deal otherwise those statues wouldn’t have gone up in the first place and we’d still all be idolising stone circles. |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:23 - Jun 11 with 2931 views | factual_blue |
I'm torn - either Eric Morecambe (in....errr....Morecambe) or Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens. |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:23 - Jun 11 with 2930 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:27 - Jun 11 by gordon |
I think what you're arguing for is statues to be given tenure on a plinth for a fixed period of time (let's say 20 years) to account for the ever-shifting boundaries of what is and isn't considered to be cricket. Every 20 years there would be a local vote to either continue or discontinue with the incumbent, and recommend replacements.
Would be a way to engage and educate the masses with history, have great local debates, and would head-off the stupid debates we're currently having.
Great idea. |
Yes indeed - and views change over time and presumably will increasingly do so in the age of instant global communication and 24 hour global news, etc etc
Also the sheer absurdity of it all is quite interesting. What about Roman slaves? Do we demolish every Roman statue and Colisseum where slaves were slaughtered (and idolised?)? The Greeks? The Vikings? The entire Arab world? The pyramids are slave-built monuments.... once you start don this route there is no end to it.
I'm not sure you can airbrush history for what are often transient ideals judging people who lived to different values in a different era. There is no statue to Adolf Hitler that I can think of - but I've seen a very big one of Genghis Khan in Mongolia..... so give it time. | |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:41 - Jun 11 with 2886 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 07:50 - Jun 11 by DanTheMan |
Yeah, imagine being offended by the slave trade. Crazy! |
It's rather more crazy to shed crocodile tears now. Slavery is a long way from exclusively being a 'black lives matter' problem
Do you want the Colliseum in Rome demolished because it is a monument to slaughtering slaves and perish the though, christians. Maybe christians do't matter though - especially the wrong sort of chrisitan. The pyramids - built by slaves - do they have to go too?
When the right-on brigade start to poke a stick at Baden-Powell and Francis Drake by way of Cecil Rhodes you have to wonder where it will stop...or more worryingly IF it will stop | |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:45 - Jun 11 with 2874 views | eireblue |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:23 - Jun 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Yes indeed - and views change over time and presumably will increasingly do so in the age of instant global communication and 24 hour global news, etc etc
Also the sheer absurdity of it all is quite interesting. What about Roman slaves? Do we demolish every Roman statue and Colisseum where slaves were slaughtered (and idolised?)? The Greeks? The Vikings? The entire Arab world? The pyramids are slave-built monuments.... once you start don this route there is no end to it.
I'm not sure you can airbrush history for what are often transient ideals judging people who lived to different values in a different era. There is no statue to Adolf Hitler that I can think of - but I've seen a very big one of Genghis Khan in Mongolia..... so give it time. |
What current issues are particular people facing today that can be directly traced back to the Greeks?
Romans is obvious, they destroyed a perfectly good grid system for roads, and now we have too much traffic around London. But that is more of a annoyance really, that is shared with all commuters. |  | | |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:47 - Jun 11 with 2871 views | sparks |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:41 - Jun 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
It's rather more crazy to shed crocodile tears now. Slavery is a long way from exclusively being a 'black lives matter' problem
Do you want the Colliseum in Rome demolished because it is a monument to slaughtering slaves and perish the though, christians. Maybe christians do't matter though - especially the wrong sort of chrisitan. The pyramids - built by slaves - do they have to go too?
When the right-on brigade start to poke a stick at Baden-Powell and Francis Drake by way of Cecil Rhodes you have to wonder where it will stop...or more worryingly IF it will stop |
As usual, in a desperate attempt to be edgy and contrarian, you are intellectually dishonest. The examples you raise are very obviously false analogies. |  |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:48 - Jun 11 with 2864 views | DanTheMan |
| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:41 - Jun 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
It's rather more crazy to shed crocodile tears now. Slavery is a long way from exclusively being a 'black lives matter' problem
Do you want the Colliseum in Rome demolished because it is a monument to slaughtering slaves and perish the though, christians. Maybe christians do't matter though - especially the wrong sort of chrisitan. The pyramids - built by slaves - do they have to go too?
When the right-on brigade start to poke a stick at Baden-Powell and Francis Drake by way of Cecil Rhodes you have to wonder where it will stop...or more worryingly IF it will stop |
The Colliseum is a ridiculous example, it isn't a monument to killing slaves. It is a building where that happened, but it doesn't celebrate that it did. It's historical importance
Statues are there to honour the people of whom they portray.
Pyramids are slightly more interesting given they were to honour the pharaohs, but again they are more important from a historical perspective. Also the idea they were built exclusively with slave labour is incorrect.
Honestly, I'm not worried at all if people decide they no longer wish statues of people to be there. What exactly is the issue? | |
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| So, which statue are you going to protect? on 09:54 - Jun 11 with 2831 views | artsbossbeard |
I've got the Giles Statue opposite Barclays Bank covered this Saturday.
I tweeted my fellow patriots at Ipswich Conservatives asking for assistance but no reply as yet. Reckon they're busy. |  |
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