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Up to them, but when businesses have been built of the back of slave trading then can see why they need/want to do something - even if it is a PR move.
This is getting rediculous now on 08:50 - Jun 18 by itfcjoe
Up to them, but when businesses have been built of the back of slave trading then can see why they need/want to do something - even if it is a PR move.
I think it's more the fact that it was reported in the Telegraph and it's forced them to come out and apologise.
That’s an awful story that reminds me of this incident from a few years ago.
You make a good point. The argument about statues and historical links to slavery is a sideshow that deflects the conversation away from real institutionalised racism that is happening today.
The apologies might be a bit silly (ultimately they just encourage the right wing's self-victimisation status), but at least more and more people are seeing how some of the Great British companies that were started during the time of Empire were built on exploitation of others
Just one small problem; sell their houses to who, Ben? Fcking Aquaman?
This is getting rediculous now on 09:20 - Jun 18 by GlasgowBlue
That’s an awful story that reminds me of this incident from a few years ago.
You make a good point. The argument about statues and historical links to slavery is a sideshow that deflects the conversation away from real institutionalised racism that is happening today.
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I recall at the time some people on here defending that policeman along the lines of "there must be more to it" "We don't know what preceded it" etc.
Of course the reality is that these incidents have been going on for years largely with no actions as it a "he said she said" and hard to prove. Why body cameras are so useful in resolving these incidents.
This is getting rediculous now on 09:37 - Jun 18 by bluelagos
I recall at the time some people on here defending that policeman along the lines of "there must be more to it" "We don't know what preceded it" etc.
Of course the reality is that these incidents have been going on for years largely with no actions as it a "he said she said" and hard to prove. Why body cameras are so useful in resolving these incidents.
Great Britain has traditionally been crap at looking inwards at itself, the atrocities they have played a part in and the position this has given them in the world.
All power to the companies who can acknowledge their heritage and not let it define them.
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This is getting rediculous now on 09:57 - Jun 18 with 1848 views
This is getting rediculous now on 09:37 - Jun 18 by bluelagos
I recall at the time some people on here defending that policeman along the lines of "there must be more to it" "We don't know what preceded it" etc.
Of course the reality is that these incidents have been going on for years largely with no actions as it a "he said she said" and hard to prove. Why body cameras are so useful in resolving these incidents.
Wonder what happended in this case?
I believe that cop was disciplined.
However
Violence is common place in London, especially knife crime, using the stats intelligence led operations are likely to proportionately target various strata of our population.
There is a strong argument that systemic racism created the environment in which BAME get drawn into crime.
Who here has ever been stopped by the police; if you have did you get away quicker complying or resisting?
The example of the footage from inside the car, the individual was probably clean, and knew that by not complying it would wind up the cop. Which it did. But before criticising any cop spend a week or two with them and see the bigger picture; the environment in which they work.
This type of situation is far more common than the two incidents highlighted.
The nurse was being ridiculous in my opinion, but hey I'm white. Though I was discriminated against be a specific sergeant who used to police Ipswich matches in the 80s to the extent my father accompanied me to Ipswich Police Station to make a complaint... Which just made things worse. So I can see aspects of both sides, who'd want to be a cop? Will be interesting to see what happens when they make their recruitment graduates only.
Not sure I see any issues with companies acknowledging their past and pledging to support causes - ultimately it’s up to them and the financial support is surely welcome
That said I do think any efforts to drag up the ancient past from some quarters is a bit silly - Greene King for example may have benefitted in the 1800’s but ultimately the company today and people involved are a long way removed from that. Admittedly that’s easy to say as a white guy, although I would make the same point with other companies and subjects - eg. VW’s links with the Nazis
Also completely agree with those noting that focusing on this kind of thing distracts from the actual issues which still exist today
Highlighting crass stupidity since sometime around 2010
Officers apparently mistook Mr Fontana for a potentially violent drug dealer.
The other evening whilst doing a good aid run we encountered the Met performing an arrest of what one assumes was a violent suspect, this one involved some gentleman toting MP5s. Was equally impressive and scary, as we were on the scene early on before road was closed... What if the bullets started to fly?
This is getting rediculous now on 09:57 - Jun 18 by Pendejo
I believe that cop was disciplined.
However
Violence is common place in London, especially knife crime, using the stats intelligence led operations are likely to proportionately target various strata of our population.
There is a strong argument that systemic racism created the environment in which BAME get drawn into crime.
Who here has ever been stopped by the police; if you have did you get away quicker complying or resisting?
The example of the footage from inside the car, the individual was probably clean, and knew that by not complying it would wind up the cop. Which it did. But before criticising any cop spend a week or two with them and see the bigger picture; the environment in which they work.
This type of situation is far more common than the two incidents highlighted.
The nurse was being ridiculous in my opinion, but hey I'm white. Though I was discriminated against be a specific sergeant who used to police Ipswich matches in the 80s to the extent my father accompanied me to Ipswich Police Station to make a complaint... Which just made things worse. So I can see aspects of both sides, who'd want to be a cop? Will be interesting to see what happens when they make their recruitment graduates only.
Good balanced post.
It's difficult to defend the police in that example, but it's also harsh to single out an incident from 3 years ago and suggest that it's representative of all police.
I suspect the police do far more good than bad, and we would all call on them in a time of need.
It does seem that there is work to be done on stop and search and how they treat BAME people, but we shouldn't demonize them.
The US would see it as progress if that video was an example of the worst behaviour of their police.
This is getting rediculous now on 10:52 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet
Good balanced post.
It's difficult to defend the police in that example, but it's also harsh to single out an incident from 3 years ago and suggest that it's representative of all police.
I suspect the police do far more good than bad, and we would all call on them in a time of need.
It does seem that there is work to be done on stop and search and how they treat BAME people, but we shouldn't demonize them.
The US would see it as progress if that video was an example of the worst behaviour of their police.
We shouldn't be looking at how crap the US is to make ourselves feel better. We should be striving to be better rather than engaging in a race to the bottom.
This is getting rediculous now on 10:54 - Jun 18 by Herbivore
We shouldn't be looking at how crap the US is to make ourselves feel better. We should be striving to be better rather than engaging in a race to the bottom.
I said that we needed to improve, my point was that we have seen our police force portrayed as behaving in the same way as the US, and we are clearly in a far, far better position.
As clearly stated in my post, we also need to improve and should strive to be the best.
This is getting rediculous now on 11:02 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet
I said that we needed to improve, my point was that we have seen our police force portrayed as behaving in the same way as the US, and we are clearly in a far, far better position.
As clearly stated in my post, we also need to improve and should strive to be the best.
So why even bother with the comparisons with the US? It seems a way of saying "look, we aren't that bad". That's not a great starting point for improvement.
This is getting rediculous now on 11:39 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet
I was just responding to a post about how the police treat people of colour in the UK.
On the one hand you claim to think we need to improve and yet all of your posts seem to have the intention of downplaying the problem. That's not how you improve.
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