| Amazon turns 25 years old 13:18 - Jul 18 with 3335 views | monytowbray |
Let’s hope it doesn’t make it to 30. |  |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 19:55 - Jul 19 with 1029 views | sparks |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 19:42 - Jul 19 by Bent_double |
I'm the same, I haven't ordered from Amazon for several years now, although I do buy a lot of stuff from ebay, which some might consider the same thing I guess.
Ebay is usually great for me, rarely is there a problem with what I've ordered, and delivery of 3-5 working days suits me fine, I don't get the need to order something and have it the same or next day.
The one thing I'm trying to do more now is not order from any ebay companies that are clearly just importing from China, but with most things made there, that's not easy. |
Biggest ebay issue is sellers who appear to be EU, and then when you buy it takes 3/4 weeks and comes from China... |  |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 10:55 - Jul 20 with 955 views | TractorWood |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 08:57 - Jul 19 by solomon |
The high street is dead, nothing can save it, times change and you have to move with the times. We love our cheap goods don’t we? Sure we tut and shake our heads we are made aware of the human and environmental costs of these goods and promise ourselves we will no longer buy such things but, in the end we still do it, it’s just so easy.
With reduced incomes and other effects of the pandemic I can only see amazon getting stronger, one day the entire planet will be dominated by just a few large corporations. |
Agree. Amazon are unique in my mind because it's detrimental to buy elsewhere and you get it quicker.
Sure I wish they paid tax but they are too big and powerful now.
The High Street has been fighting a losing fight for decades. First with out of town shopping centres and for the last few years, the refinement of internet shopping.
Why would I trudge into Bury, Ipswich or Newmarket, pay for petrol, pay for parking, browse the shops and pay more for something I can buy on an App in seconds with guaranteed delivery tomorrow. And that's before a global pandemic of a highly transmissible infection. Long winter ahead for retailers who rely on footfall. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 10:59]
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:15 - Jul 20 with 941 views | monytowbray |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 10:55 - Jul 20 by TractorWood |
Agree. Amazon are unique in my mind because it's detrimental to buy elsewhere and you get it quicker.
Sure I wish they paid tax but they are too big and powerful now.
The High Street has been fighting a losing fight for decades. First with out of town shopping centres and for the last few years, the refinement of internet shopping.
Why would I trudge into Bury, Ipswich or Newmarket, pay for petrol, pay for parking, browse the shops and pay more for something I can buy on an App in seconds with guaranteed delivery tomorrow. And that's before a global pandemic of a highly transmissible infection. Long winter ahead for retailers who rely on footfall. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 10:59]
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No one is too big to not pay taxes. Consumers have a choice, they just don’t care and turn a blind eye.
Story of the history of humanity really. Still to this day. | |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:19 - Jul 20 with 937 views | TractorWood |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:15 - Jul 20 by monytowbray |
No one is too big to not pay taxes. Consumers have a choice, they just don’t care and turn a blind eye.
Story of the history of humanity really. Still to this day. |
I agree and I don't use businesses that do aggressive tax planning. Bar Amazon as it's to my personal detriment not using them.
If we try and tax them, the US will hit us with sanctions for exactly the same amount. It's why the French digital tax isn't working. | |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:22 - Jul 20 with 930 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 10:55 - Jul 20 by TractorWood |
Agree. Amazon are unique in my mind because it's detrimental to buy elsewhere and you get it quicker.
Sure I wish they paid tax but they are too big and powerful now.
The High Street has been fighting a losing fight for decades. First with out of town shopping centres and for the last few years, the refinement of internet shopping.
Why would I trudge into Bury, Ipswich or Newmarket, pay for petrol, pay for parking, browse the shops and pay more for something I can buy on an App in seconds with guaranteed delivery tomorrow. And that's before a global pandemic of a highly transmissible infection. Long winter ahead for retailers who rely on footfall. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 10:59]
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Detrimental to whom? You may save a few quid (although many places price match these days), but at what cost when those local facilities have gone and your neighbours who relied on them have lost their jobs. It's a one way street to urban decay (but not the only cause - out of town developments haven't helped either).
Anyway, you may not save a few quid soon as they are going to lose the advantage of the EU cross border tax breaks, with price hikes looking like they'll be passed on to suppliers and customers. |  |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:25 - Jul 20 with 916 views | monytowbray |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:19 - Jul 20 by TractorWood |
I agree and I don't use businesses that do aggressive tax planning. Bar Amazon as it's to my personal detriment not using them.
If we try and tax them, the US will hit us with sanctions for exactly the same amount. It's why the French digital tax isn't working. |
If we stop buying from them they’ll have no profit to tax. | |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:31 - Jul 20 with 901 views | Ryorry |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 19:42 - Jul 19 by Bent_double |
I'm the same, I haven't ordered from Amazon for several years now, although I do buy a lot of stuff from ebay, which some might consider the same thing I guess.
Ebay is usually great for me, rarely is there a problem with what I've ordered, and delivery of 3-5 working days suits me fine, I don't get the need to order something and have it the same or next day.
The one thing I'm trying to do more now is not order from any ebay companies that are clearly just importing from China, but with most things made there, that's not easy. |
I've had 2 experiences with eBay, both awful, so am not inclined to use them again. |  |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:05 - Jul 20 with 870 views | TractorWood |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:22 - Jul 20 by Swansea_Blue |
Detrimental to whom? You may save a few quid (although many places price match these days), but at what cost when those local facilities have gone and your neighbours who relied on them have lost their jobs. It's a one way street to urban decay (but not the only cause - out of town developments haven't helped either).
Anyway, you may not save a few quid soon as they are going to lose the advantage of the EU cross border tax breaks, with price hikes looking like they'll be passed on to suppliers and customers. |
Detrimental to me in that I have to pay more to receive the product in a longer time frame. You are coming from a good place but it's not economic reality. Amazon had turnover of £2bn in the UK last year.
Pre-covid it may have been stopped but no way now. It's literally years ahead of the rest of retail. | |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:21 - Jul 20 with 842 views | J2BLUE |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:05 - Jul 20 by TractorWood |
Detrimental to me in that I have to pay more to receive the product in a longer time frame. You are coming from a good place but it's not economic reality. Amazon had turnover of £2bn in the UK last year.
Pre-covid it may have been stopped but no way now. It's literally years ahead of the rest of retail. |
Agreed. High Streets are on the way out.
This story says it all really:
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/keep-marks-in-town-bid-1-6747579
Losing M&S would be a dagger in the heart of the town like has happened at Felixstowe. |  |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:31 - Jul 20 with 829 views | itfcjoe |
Shows the problem with Ipswich, other councils own all the land around it, and jsut continue to kill Ipswich by doing things that don't help in the slightest - whether that is housing on the fringes so public services are required from IBC rather than where their council tax goes, or big shopping centres pulling out of the town centre
Just no joined up approach at all |  |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:38 - Jul 20 with 823 views | Clapham_Junction |
I wonder if it's time to give serious consideration to local councils buying up the high street - specifically the premises not owned by the shops in them - whether on a willing seller model, or via compulsory purchase orders.
This would give them the opportunity to set rents at a lower level (as they would be more able to see it as a long-term investment) and to vary them from time-to-time as the economic conditions determined. It might also helping manage any decline by condensing the remaining retail outlets into the centre and allowing the outlying ones to become residential or offices.
Some time ago I was involved in writing a local election manifesto, and creating socially rented retail properties was something I managed to get included as local businesses really suffer with rent values. |  | | |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:39 - Jul 20 with 817 views | monytowbray |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:38 - Jul 20 by Clapham_Junction |
I wonder if it's time to give serious consideration to local councils buying up the high street - specifically the premises not owned by the shops in them - whether on a willing seller model, or via compulsory purchase orders.
This would give them the opportunity to set rents at a lower level (as they would be more able to see it as a long-term investment) and to vary them from time-to-time as the economic conditions determined. It might also helping manage any decline by condensing the remaining retail outlets into the centre and allowing the outlying ones to become residential or offices.
Some time ago I was involved in writing a local election manifesto, and creating socially rented retail properties was something I managed to get included as local businesses really suffer with rent values. |
Let’s just do away with all Landlords, business and residential. | |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:33 - Jul 20 with 767 views | BryanPlug |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 11:15 - Jul 20 by monytowbray |
No one is too big to not pay taxes. Consumers have a choice, they just don’t care and turn a blind eye.
Story of the history of humanity really. Still to this day. |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:36 - Jul 20 with 763 views | monytowbray |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:33 - Jul 20 by BryanPlug |
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Not these days nope. Haven’t for ages. | |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:40 - Jul 20 with 760 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:38 - Jul 20 by Clapham_Junction |
I wonder if it's time to give serious consideration to local councils buying up the high street - specifically the premises not owned by the shops in them - whether on a willing seller model, or via compulsory purchase orders.
This would give them the opportunity to set rents at a lower level (as they would be more able to see it as a long-term investment) and to vary them from time-to-time as the economic conditions determined. It might also helping manage any decline by condensing the remaining retail outlets into the centre and allowing the outlying ones to become residential or offices.
Some time ago I was involved in writing a local election manifesto, and creating socially rented retail properties was something I managed to get included as local businesses really suffer with rent values. |
Most commercial landlords are understanding of trading conditions. The last thing they want is an empty property which has no rent coming in and having to pay business rates on them.
I’ve managed to renegotiate my rent on two commercial properties to help me out in the short term.
I’d also add that most local authorities are not very business friendly when making decisions that affect parking and traffic flow. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 13:42]
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:48 - Jul 20 with 754 views | BryanPlug |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:36 - Jul 20 by monytowbray |
Not these days nope. Haven’t for ages. |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:53 - Jul 20 with 743 views | monytowbray |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:48 - Jul 20 by BryanPlug |
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Capitalism has a shelf life once it becomes a free for all.
We’re in the death throes with of the system we’ve had our entire life. It is not sustainable financially for the population or the planet.
Eat the rich. | |
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 14:09 - Jul 20 with 720 views | BryanPlug |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:40 - Jul 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Most commercial landlords are understanding of trading conditions. The last thing they want is an empty property which has no rent coming in and having to pay business rates on them.
I’ve managed to renegotiate my rent on two commercial properties to help me out in the short term.
I’d also add that most local authorities are not very business friendly when making decisions that affect parking and traffic flow. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 13:42]
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| Amazon turns 25 years old on 14:37 - Jul 20 with 700 views | Libero |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:40 - Jul 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Most commercial landlords are understanding of trading conditions. The last thing they want is an empty property which has no rent coming in and having to pay business rates on them.
I’ve managed to renegotiate my rent on two commercial properties to help me out in the short term.
I’d also add that most local authorities are not very business friendly when making decisions that affect parking and traffic flow. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 13:42]
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You're 100% correct.
I will say though, when my old man had a little wine bar in Stowmarket he enjoyed paying reduced business rates, as the town council really wanted to get the courtyard it was in full of little businesses, despite it being off the main highstreet, etc.
The owner of the unit my old man was renting actually owned most of (if not all) the units in the courtyard.
He offered a reduction in rent at a time when Dad was thinking about calling it quits, knowing that if the business left the courtyard the footfall would reduce dramatically, in the short time it was there it's popularity meant that the footfall increased to a level that for the first time in years every unit in the courtyard was populated with a business.
Dad stuck it out a bit longer then flogged the business to the first person that made a reasonable offer.
I don't know how flexible other town councils and commercial property owners are, but you'd think that especially in the current climate more will be open to these kind of deals. |  | | |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 14:58 - Jul 20 with 676 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:40 - Jul 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Most commercial landlords are understanding of trading conditions. The last thing they want is an empty property which has no rent coming in and having to pay business rates on them.
I’ve managed to renegotiate my rent on two commercial properties to help me out in the short term.
I’d also add that most local authorities are not very business friendly when making decisions that affect parking and traffic flow. [Post edited 20 Jul 2020 13:42]
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Regarding the latter point, it's because from an environmental/air quality perspective, it's their duty to discourage car use.
However, people do often overestimate how important motorists are to their business. This is worth a read: https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/media/3890/pedestrian-pound-2018.pdf
Particularly relevant:
It is often assumed that more parking is the answer to struggling high streets, however this is not supported by available research. Studies have linked the quality of public spaces to people’s perceptions of attractiveness of an area, contributing towards their quality of life and influencing where they shop.
Retailers have been shown to over-estimate the importance of the car for customer travel. In these studies, more people walked, cycled or came by bus.
Case study evidence suggests that restricting traffic does not reduce the number of customers. | | | |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 15:25 - Jul 20 with 646 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 12:31 - Jul 20 by itfcjoe |
Shows the problem with Ipswich, other councils own all the land around it, and jsut continue to kill Ipswich by doing things that don't help in the slightest - whether that is housing on the fringes so public services are required from IBC rather than where their council tax goes, or big shopping centres pulling out of the town centre
Just no joined up approach at all |
They've also not found a way of properly connecting the town centre to the docks. |  | | |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 17:29 - Jul 20 with 584 views | J2BLUE |
| Amazon turns 25 years old on 13:48 - Jul 20 by BryanPlug |
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Agree with this. If Amazon is killed off then some other company will take their place. I don't think we could see them killed off and everyone go back to buying locally from independent stores. It's a losing battle and to be honest I don't feel THAT bad about it. I wish they paid their taxes but that's up to the government to force them to and end the ways they can get around it.
As for the trend of smaller retailers going out of business I do sympathise but it is natural progression. The modern way seems to be retail parks out of the town centre and online shopping. It's a little bit sad that we will eventually lose shops like Waterstones but the experience of buying a book from Amazon (downloaded instantly on to a Kindle or receiving it next day for a fraction of the price and inconvience of Waterstones) is just much, much better.
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