Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then 15:59 - Aug 21 with 8737 views | hype313 | |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:28 - Aug 22 with 1522 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 11:59 - Aug 22 by Mullet | It's not Red Scare nonsense it's a clear and demonstrable position from "comrades" on twitter and other social media platforms. Their doubling down and attempt to alienate people is massively damaging and problematic and one of the reasons why Keir Starmer is so necessary. The fact that he is attacked by the bitter remnants of Momentum whatever he says or does is evident daily. The problem is your last sentence ignores earlier points about the right-wing stranglehold on media and narrative. The reason so many people deserted Labour this time was also down to Corbyn's own failings and the perception he was being led around by a bunch of snarling kids and extremists. How accurate that is irrelevant since he did nothing to correct and we have people happy to live up to that role rather than accept he was just a bit sh1t. |
Give me some names so I know who you're talking about. At the moment you're sounding a little too much like a snarling kid yourself trying to push this line. Of course there are trolls and more extreme voices on social media. But I don't think more serious left-wingers like Novara Media, Owen Jones and others are attacking Starmer particularly savagely. There is certainly a concern that he hasn't really backed up his pledges and he seems hell-bent on exacerbating the factionalism. Which is troubling for anyone who thinks the electoral answer is still about policy, even if Labour can scratch some minor gains and get a better write-up in some right-leaning newspapers by playing the game. I'll take a lesson from Farage (unfortunately) that it's better to fight for what you believe in to influence the direction of a major political party and leader. If you just keep your head down and believe that appeasing those who disagree with you is the answer then you're going to be disappointed. Corbyn tried that with those who were against him in the PLP and it was clearly his major failure. It's the same lesson I'll take from BLM, Extinction Rebellion, the SNP etc. that working within the established system and dealing with all its layers of self-interest is ultimately not the way to go. Starmer can follow me and many others (and I hope he does put his money where his pledges are) but I'm not making the mistake of following UK party politicians where they want to go out of supposed expediency. We've had that for decades (even with Blair and Clegg as "alternatives") and we have a worse country than we should have as a result. Because if you're looking at the state of the country and blaming left-wingers or left-wing policies for where we are then you need to do some really serious soul-searching. This weak appeasement and electoral gaming rubbish has to stop, and has to stop being referred to as "effective opposition" when it isn't. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:34 - Aug 22 with 1509 views | Herbivore |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 11:44 - Aug 22 by BanksterDebtSlave | So the ongoing mechanics of how the centre keeps drifting further right! |
You try to pull the centre back by making left leaning policies appealing to it, not by banging on a drum they don't want to listen to. As I said, your ideological purity doesn't mean very much against people's lives. I'd love to see the UK become a Marxist utopia personally but right now I'd take Starmer making Labour electable and getting this shower of Tory bastards out of power. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:36 - Aug 22 with 1499 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:21 - Aug 22 by tractordownsouth | There needs to be a better narrative from the centre for sure. For example, Ed Miliband had some good ideas but he was trying to balance cutting the deficit, opposition to austerity and controlling immigration. Compromise is often a good thing but without an overall story the campaign falls flat on its’ face. I don’t speak for Joe but as someone in a similar position on the political spectrum, I don’t think either of us have “disdain” for left wing policies. I quite liked a lot of the last Labour manifesto but evidently there was too much in it, and it wasn’t credible. Having a moderate but coherent strategy and winning power to implement some of those policies is far superior to offering all of the policies and losing again. That manifesto has lost 2 elections, so going more extreme won’t change that. The Tories did it with IDS and look how that went. At the end of the day any Labour govt is better than a Tory one but it’s about bringing about change and not ideological purity |
Fair enough. But this trope of ideological purity needs to stop. I can't speak for everybody on the left but most people I talk to see change itself as the means and the end. Not a changing of the guard to oversee the same old inequalities and weaknesses. Politics is far too important and affects far too many people in the real world to be anything other than policy-driven, evidence-based and focused on the greater good. I need to believe in that with Starmer and the Labour Party - and I suspect it's the only thing that's going to help him at the ballot box anyway given how the traditional Labour support has been lost over the years. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:40 - Aug 22 with 1483 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:34 - Aug 22 by Herbivore | You try to pull the centre back by making left leaning policies appealing to it, not by banging on a drum they don't want to listen to. As I said, your ideological purity doesn't mean very much against people's lives. I'd love to see the UK become a Marxist utopia personally but right now I'd take Starmer making Labour electable and getting this shower of Tory bastards out of power. |
I think we're still talking about the same thing though. I don't see an establishment-approved Labour making a dent in Scotland or even the former red wall. They're desperately in need of a direction of travel rather than the shoring up of the system we've seen in years past. Hell, even the Tories used the dissatisfaction and disillusionment with the status quo to their advantage. They could do that because Labour had unforgivably taken its eye off that ball once it felt secure as a party of government. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:43 - Aug 22 with 1463 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:21 - Aug 22 by tractordownsouth | There needs to be a better narrative from the centre for sure. For example, Ed Miliband had some good ideas but he was trying to balance cutting the deficit, opposition to austerity and controlling immigration. Compromise is often a good thing but without an overall story the campaign falls flat on its’ face. I don’t speak for Joe but as someone in a similar position on the political spectrum, I don’t think either of us have “disdain” for left wing policies. I quite liked a lot of the last Labour manifesto but evidently there was too much in it, and it wasn’t credible. Having a moderate but coherent strategy and winning power to implement some of those policies is far superior to offering all of the policies and losing again. That manifesto has lost 2 elections, so going more extreme won’t change that. The Tories did it with IDS and look how that went. At the end of the day any Labour govt is better than a Tory one but it’s about bringing about change and not ideological purity |
It is not the centre though is it. Furthermore there is no narrative from that position! |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:59 - Aug 22 with 1434 views | Herbivore |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:40 - Aug 22 by Darth_Koont | I think we're still talking about the same thing though. I don't see an establishment-approved Labour making a dent in Scotland or even the former red wall. They're desperately in need of a direction of travel rather than the shoring up of the system we've seen in years past. Hell, even the Tories used the dissatisfaction and disillusionment with the status quo to their advantage. They could do that because Labour had unforgivably taken its eye off that ball once it felt secure as a party of government. |
The Tories didn't manage to exploit that disillusionment until relatively recently. Certainly it'd be hard to argue that Cameron achieved that, he was basically trying to appeal to the centre ground voters who had moved over to New Labour. He wasn't aiming at the Labour heartlands in the way that Johnson did. Arguably, Johnson was only able to do that because of Brexit and a wave of nationalism, populism, and anti-immigration sentiment that he and his media pals have spent the last decade whipping up. Corbyn's ideas failed to get sufficient traction for a couple of reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, he was never going to win over the press. Too much baggage, too much perception of radicalism even if most of his policies were relatively moderate. That coupled with an election manifesto that was promising what would realistically be 20-30 years of reform left a big credibility gap. Secondly, Corbyn, for all that his politics was different, still represented the liberal London elite. He's been a politician for 40 odd years. He lives in what people perceive to be the Islington bubble. Now, that Johnson and the press managed to convince working class voters that he represented their interests is frankly incredible but partly that happened because of Corbyn. I don't think he did enough to convince people outside of his core base - primarily younger, educated, urban Labour voters - that he really wanted to listen to them rather than tell them what would benefit them. I don't doubt that social democratic policies would have been better for them, but people don't like feeling like they are being told what is good for them and don't like feeling like they aren't listened to. You can of course make the case that the same happened with Blair and Brown, and I'd agree. But Corbyn didn't do much better in that regard and that isn't all down to the media either. Basically, if we want a Labour government it can't be Corybnism rehashed. That had been emphatically rejected. That doesn't mean it has to be New Labour either. There is room to keep some of the policies Corbyn adopted that were genuinely popular (much of the nationalisation he proposed, for example) but there needs to be an attempt to win back both the core Labour vote and to take back some of the centre ground as well. They won't win without doing that. And they won't be helped by the hardcore Corbynites constantly railing against Starmer as they have been doing pretty much since he became leader. It doesn't benefit anyone and makes said Corbynites look like a bunch of bitter, entitled hypocrites. We're four years out from election and in the middle of a pandemic, policy will come but for now all of the infighting and the knives being out for Starmer are premature and destructive. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:08 - Aug 22 with 1416 views | GlasgowBlue |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:28 - Aug 22 by Darth_Koont | Give me some names so I know who you're talking about. At the moment you're sounding a little too much like a snarling kid yourself trying to push this line. Of course there are trolls and more extreme voices on social media. But I don't think more serious left-wingers like Novara Media, Owen Jones and others are attacking Starmer particularly savagely. There is certainly a concern that he hasn't really backed up his pledges and he seems hell-bent on exacerbating the factionalism. Which is troubling for anyone who thinks the electoral answer is still about policy, even if Labour can scratch some minor gains and get a better write-up in some right-leaning newspapers by playing the game. I'll take a lesson from Farage (unfortunately) that it's better to fight for what you believe in to influence the direction of a major political party and leader. If you just keep your head down and believe that appeasing those who disagree with you is the answer then you're going to be disappointed. Corbyn tried that with those who were against him in the PLP and it was clearly his major failure. It's the same lesson I'll take from BLM, Extinction Rebellion, the SNP etc. that working within the established system and dealing with all its layers of self-interest is ultimately not the way to go. Starmer can follow me and many others (and I hope he does put his money where his pledges are) but I'm not making the mistake of following UK party politicians where they want to go out of supposed expediency. We've had that for decades (even with Blair and Clegg as "alternatives") and we have a worse country than we should have as a result. Because if you're looking at the state of the country and blaming left-wingers or left-wing policies for where we are then you need to do some really serious soul-searching. This weak appeasement and electoral gaming rubbish has to stop, and has to stop being referred to as "effective opposition" when it isn't. |
“serious left-wingers like Novara Media“? These are the type of people who would have normally been found on the comments section of David Ike blogs or the Dorset Eye, before Momentum gave them a voice in the mainstream. The likes of Bastani and Mendoza are cranks and tankies. [Post edited 22 Aug 2020 13:08]
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:10 - Aug 22 with 1410 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:43 - Aug 22 by BanksterDebtSlave | It is not the centre though is it. Furthermore there is no narrative from that position! |
No. They can momentarily adopt others' narratives like BLM and climate activism when it suits them. But leadership on issues and necessarily pushing alternatives seems to be beyond them. The only coherent narratives from the centre have been Remain, "Better than the Tories" and some red scare theatrics. Which has given them zip and no political capital moving forward either. The one good thing about being a blank slate is that they can actually stand for something new and get some new energy if they pull their finger out. But that will necessarily involve embracing more left-wing policies. Blair's trick of following the Tories down a more neoliberal alley with change left to defending and extending civil liberties is a one-time affair. A) The Tories occupy pretty much the same space and don't struggle as much being socially liberal anymore B) the traditional support isn't there now. Their only hope is to head left and show that there really is another way. And one that's reaping the benefits for many of our neighbours. Even Scotland is showing the way there - and they're not even close to socialism. It's moderate social democracy but it's at least pretty genuine for once. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:15 - Aug 22 with 1393 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:08 - Aug 22 by GlasgowBlue | “serious left-wingers like Novara Media“? These are the type of people who would have normally been found on the comments section of David Ike blogs or the Dorset Eye, before Momentum gave them a voice in the mainstream. The likes of Bastani and Mendoza are cranks and tankies. [Post edited 22 Aug 2020 13:08]
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Haha. If you say so. I like how you smearily brought in David Icke and Mendoza to make your case (despite me criticizing her already on this thread). I would say never change but that's a bit redundant at this point. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:16 - Aug 22 with 1385 views | Mullet |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:28 - Aug 22 by Darth_Koont | Give me some names so I know who you're talking about. At the moment you're sounding a little too much like a snarling kid yourself trying to push this line. Of course there are trolls and more extreme voices on social media. But I don't think more serious left-wingers like Novara Media, Owen Jones and others are attacking Starmer particularly savagely. There is certainly a concern that he hasn't really backed up his pledges and he seems hell-bent on exacerbating the factionalism. Which is troubling for anyone who thinks the electoral answer is still about policy, even if Labour can scratch some minor gains and get a better write-up in some right-leaning newspapers by playing the game. I'll take a lesson from Farage (unfortunately) that it's better to fight for what you believe in to influence the direction of a major political party and leader. If you just keep your head down and believe that appeasing those who disagree with you is the answer then you're going to be disappointed. Corbyn tried that with those who were against him in the PLP and it was clearly his major failure. It's the same lesson I'll take from BLM, Extinction Rebellion, the SNP etc. that working within the established system and dealing with all its layers of self-interest is ultimately not the way to go. Starmer can follow me and many others (and I hope he does put his money where his pledges are) but I'm not making the mistake of following UK party politicians where they want to go out of supposed expediency. We've had that for decades (even with Blair and Clegg as "alternatives") and we have a worse country than we should have as a result. Because if you're looking at the state of the country and blaming left-wingers or left-wing policies for where we are then you need to do some really serious soul-searching. This weak appeasement and electoral gaming rubbish has to stop, and has to stop being referred to as "effective opposition" when it isn't. |
You see, you let it slip again there that you know exactly who I'm talking about. Yes there are racists, sexists and homophobes who attack everything Sarkar or Jones say, but conversely any mild criticism of them is met with the sort of white-knighting that defies all logic and real life application. This puts off the majority of people who we need to get rid of the Tories. These aren't just trolls, they are expressing the same identity bashing of the "centre" as you are and it is incredibly damaging and one-eyed, let alone laughable to do so. Corbynism failed largely on the back of Corbyn being so bad ultimately. To keep pretending he was somehow sacrificed and brutalised is doing the Left untold damage as it seeps out. No one is blaming "left-wingers" for the state of the country, you are taking the debate out of context to ensure thorugh your own mental gymnastics the deadwood and cranks aren't held accountable for handing our worst ever PM the biggest majority possible. That was not done by his own endeavours, the Russia report tells us that. You can pontificate about the system all you like, but if you don't get your hands on the wheels of power you'll change nothing and die in a ditch sobbing and pointing fingers like the tiny minority of cultists keep doing. The centre ground should be easy pickings for a united Labour. Johnson killed people's parents and stole their kids' futures from them. That's a tap in of an election campaign. Focusing on Starmer and trying to destroy him instead is maddening. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:39 - Aug 22 with 1340 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 12:59 - Aug 22 by Herbivore | The Tories didn't manage to exploit that disillusionment until relatively recently. Certainly it'd be hard to argue that Cameron achieved that, he was basically trying to appeal to the centre ground voters who had moved over to New Labour. He wasn't aiming at the Labour heartlands in the way that Johnson did. Arguably, Johnson was only able to do that because of Brexit and a wave of nationalism, populism, and anti-immigration sentiment that he and his media pals have spent the last decade whipping up. Corbyn's ideas failed to get sufficient traction for a couple of reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, he was never going to win over the press. Too much baggage, too much perception of radicalism even if most of his policies were relatively moderate. That coupled with an election manifesto that was promising what would realistically be 20-30 years of reform left a big credibility gap. Secondly, Corbyn, for all that his politics was different, still represented the liberal London elite. He's been a politician for 40 odd years. He lives in what people perceive to be the Islington bubble. Now, that Johnson and the press managed to convince working class voters that he represented their interests is frankly incredible but partly that happened because of Corbyn. I don't think he did enough to convince people outside of his core base - primarily younger, educated, urban Labour voters - that he really wanted to listen to them rather than tell them what would benefit them. I don't doubt that social democratic policies would have been better for them, but people don't like feeling like they are being told what is good for them and don't like feeling like they aren't listened to. You can of course make the case that the same happened with Blair and Brown, and I'd agree. But Corbyn didn't do much better in that regard and that isn't all down to the media either. Basically, if we want a Labour government it can't be Corybnism rehashed. That had been emphatically rejected. That doesn't mean it has to be New Labour either. There is room to keep some of the policies Corbyn adopted that were genuinely popular (much of the nationalisation he proposed, for example) but there needs to be an attempt to win back both the core Labour vote and to take back some of the centre ground as well. They won't win without doing that. And they won't be helped by the hardcore Corbynites constantly railing against Starmer as they have been doing pretty much since he became leader. It doesn't benefit anyone and makes said Corbynites look like a bunch of bitter, entitled hypocrites. We're four years out from election and in the middle of a pandemic, policy will come but for now all of the infighting and the knives being out for Starmer are premature and destructive. |
Corbynism can be re-badged as Starmerism and win though. I agree that on the superficial, media-led stuff there was a rejection of Corbyn. Clearly that was the tactic and there was enough to create a narrative too. But the policies aren't going to go away and nor should they. We need actual reform to cope with the current inequalities and weaknesses in the UK. Never mind the increasingly difficult challenges in store such as a real response to climate change, a relative lack of growth opportunities globally and the steadily dropping value of human labour that's the staple employment for billions of people worldwide and millions in the UK. Of course we can all wave our flags and pretend that everything is and will be alright because of Britishness or because we avoided Corbyn. But I don't see any value in winning the electoral battle and losing the real-life war. On the latter point we're already way behind many of our competitors and there are only slivers of society and the economy that are in good shape for what's ahead. This includes the very wealthy people who already control our media and politics and set the agenda on what's supposedly important for the country. There needs to be a massive, massive shift in our political debate. And while time is definitely not on our side, Starmer and the Labour Party have 3-4 years to lead that discussion or be outflanked and outmuscled by those who will lead it in their stead e.g. the SNP, the Green party, the LibDems (nothing to lose but probably not enough ideas/clear values either), Extinction Rebellion etc. and of course the reactionary forces on the right that will respond to a changing and challenging world by going on the attack. It's pretty bleak and made bleaker if the only conceivable national opposition doesn't get its act together and stand up for change when they've got the time and definitely the opportunity in 2020 to make that case. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:56 - Aug 22 with 1324 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:16 - Aug 22 by Mullet | You see, you let it slip again there that you know exactly who I'm talking about. Yes there are racists, sexists and homophobes who attack everything Sarkar or Jones say, but conversely any mild criticism of them is met with the sort of white-knighting that defies all logic and real life application. This puts off the majority of people who we need to get rid of the Tories. These aren't just trolls, they are expressing the same identity bashing of the "centre" as you are and it is incredibly damaging and one-eyed, let alone laughable to do so. Corbynism failed largely on the back of Corbyn being so bad ultimately. To keep pretending he was somehow sacrificed and brutalised is doing the Left untold damage as it seeps out. No one is blaming "left-wingers" for the state of the country, you are taking the debate out of context to ensure thorugh your own mental gymnastics the deadwood and cranks aren't held accountable for handing our worst ever PM the biggest majority possible. That was not done by his own endeavours, the Russia report tells us that. You can pontificate about the system all you like, but if you don't get your hands on the wheels of power you'll change nothing and die in a ditch sobbing and pointing fingers like the tiny minority of cultists keep doing. The centre ground should be easy pickings for a united Labour. Johnson killed people's parents and stole their kids' futures from them. That's a tap in of an election campaign. Focusing on Starmer and trying to destroy him instead is maddening. |
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Elsewhere on the thread, I've made my points (general and specific) and explained the context as I understand it. But we're not on the same page at all. Simply put, I think the UK centre is kidding itself that the right answers (electoral and real-world) are to be found there. That seems to be a massive misunderstanding of how the world and politics now work and, most importantly, the challenges politics needs to address and in many cases has already failed to address in the UK. I may be wrong or I may be ahead of the curve having lived in lefty Europe for a number of years and also involved in what's happened in Scotland. Based on that, and following the past 3 or 4 decades of UK history, I have no faith in the current UK centre to resolve underlying issues or indeed to fight and win against more reactionary and populist politics on the right. So I'll keep pulling to the left and challenging the centre to be more relevant to anyone but itself. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 14:03 - Aug 22 with 1302 views | monytowbray | I agree with the sentiment, this party has plenty of early parallels. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 14:38 - Aug 22 with 1268 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 14:03 - Aug 22 by monytowbray | I agree with the sentiment, this party has plenty of early parallels. |
This was a list that was created back in 2003. But disturbingly it's an uncomfortable description of our own government who show almost all of these signs to varying degrees. They may not be fascists but certainly they're very "on-message". |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 16:48 - Aug 22 with 1231 views | GlasgowBlue |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 13:15 - Aug 22 by Darth_Koont | Haha. If you say so. I like how you smearily brought in David Icke and Mendoza to make your case (despite me criticizing her already on this thread). I would say never change but that's a bit redundant at this point. |
Here’s one of your “serious Left wingers” from Novara media giving the Tories an open goal earlier. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 20:24 - Aug 22 with 1181 views | monytowbray |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 14:38 - Aug 22 by Darth_Koont | This was a list that was created back in 2003. But disturbingly it's an uncomfortable description of our own government who show almost all of these signs to varying degrees. They may not be fascists but certainly they're very "on-message". |
A collection of very rich crims are trying to bring around a global authoritarian movement to bleed us dry for unchallengeable financial/power gain. This has been fairly evident since 2016 at least if one pays attention. I saw the DM ran a story on Bannon’s UK links and Brexit today. Weird to see that, perhaps distancing themselves from the incoming sh1tshow they’ve pushed or a change of heart (even most evils have lines they don’t cross I guess). I just hope the country wakes up in time collectively before it’s too late, although I’d argue we’re well past that point. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 20:26 - Aug 22 with 1180 views | monytowbray |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 16:48 - Aug 22 by GlasgowBlue | Here’s one of your “serious Left wingers” from Novara media giving the Tories an open goal earlier. |
When fascism arrives and you scream about it being the left wing’s fault I’m glad your post history will still be in here to point out multiple times how you assisted the right wing directly with your hot takes. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 08:52 - Aug 23 with 1109 views | GlasgowBlue |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 20:26 - Aug 22 by monytowbray | When fascism arrives and you scream about it being the left wing’s fault I’m glad your post history will still be in here to point out multiple times how you assisted the right wing directly with your hot takes. |
So that’s now two out of three in this thread. At least the third poster is showing himself to be a man of his word. Which doesn’t surprise me tbh. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 10:27 - Aug 23 with 1043 views | GlasgowBlue |
Callis. Phil put in a simple instruction. That you, i and two other posters no longer engaged with or baited each other. Myself and one other poster were both able to follow this very simple instruction. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 10:34 - Aug 23 with 1031 views | monytowbray |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 10:27 - Aug 23 by GlasgowBlue | Callis. Phil put in a simple instruction. That you, i and two other posters no longer engaged with or baited each other. Myself and one other poster were both able to follow this very simple instruction. |
I didn't realise "posting facts" counted as baiting. But if you insist on picking and choosing when racism is an issue for you I'll continue to remind you that's not how racism works. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 10:57 - Aug 23 with 1010 views | jaseitfc2015 |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 10:34 - Aug 23 by monytowbray | I didn't realise "posting facts" counted as baiting. But if you insist on picking and choosing when racism is an issue for you I'll continue to remind you that's not how racism works. |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 11:16 - Aug 23 with 988 views | GlasgowBlue |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 10:57 - Aug 23 by jaseitfc2015 | Indeed! |
Ok. I’ve never noticed you before but you are obviously familiar with my posting history, so how about you back up Callis’ point that I pick and choose when racism is an issue? As a man of Jewish heritage and with a wife who is from a Jewish family, I have been pretty vocal on the issue of antisemitism in the a Labour Party. The idea that we could have had a Prime Minister in Corbyn, a man who opened up his party to Holocaust deniers, antisemites and blood libellers terrified me. So I’m sure you’ll forgive my very vocal stance in this particular issue. That said, I have condemned Boris Johnson as a racist on here more times than I can re,member, have been vocal critical of the Tories racist policies, particularly those have affected refugees. I’ve called out individual Tory MP’s, members and commentators for racist remarks and statements, troubling past actions and out and out hatred to wards the Muslim community. I was probably the first poster on here to call the Tory party “institutionally Islamophobic”. I left the Tory party in 2017 after May did a deal with a party that was formed from the ashes of a unionist terrorism. As a Tory councillor I helped kick out members of the National Front who attempted to stand as Tory candidates and I got spat at and punched in the ribs for defending an Asian family being racially harassed on their council estate. I’ve marched with and for refugees. So could you kindly stick your “indeed” where the sun doesn’t shine. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 11:28 - Aug 23 with 970 views | Darth_Koont |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 16:48 - Aug 22 by GlasgowBlue | Here’s one of your “serious Left wingers” from Novara media giving the Tories an open goal earlier. |
What a surprise to see you participating in a bad faith pile-on. The edited version ignores that this was a point (a faulty one IMO about jurisprudence) in a context where she'd already recognized the awfulness of the crime. It's being jumped on and presented in this way only because she's a contributor to Novara. Not Sky (who brought her on here to provide a contrasting view at some level), the BBC, the Guardian, the Independent and even the Telegraph. And I couldn't care less about how you and the Labour right want to present anything. This is Red Scare nonsense as per. |  |
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Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 11:29 - Aug 23 with 968 views | PhilTWTD |
Katie Hopkins of the left is still going strong then on 10:34 - Aug 23 by monytowbray | I didn't realise "posting facts" counted as baiting. But if you insist on picking and choosing when racism is an issue for you I'll continue to remind you that's not how racism works. |
For the record, I asked a number of posters, including you, who continually poke one another on here could leave one another alone as it has become a pain in the backside and is taking up too much of my time. Those that continue to do so won't be welcome on here any more. |  | |  |
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