| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc 20:37 - Aug 24 with 8210 views | PhilTWTD |
Think generally the forum has gone pretty well over the lockdown and beyond and has been a really good place to be during a difficult time. However, the last week or so has got pretty unpleasant. I really don't think anyone should need reminding that abuse, stirring, winding-up etc is not welcome and those that continue to do it won't be welcome, as is now the case for a couple of previously regular users. A return to the civility of earlier in the summer would be appreciated. |  | | |  |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 06:59 - Aug 25 with 3050 views | solomon |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 22:14 - Aug 24 by Swailsey |
I think, sadly, this just goes to show that people who use this forum fall into 3 camps:
Camp 1: Actual humans who appreciate the things they say have impacts and that they are engaging with other humans. People who want to get something out of this place and rely on it in some way. They treat TWTD like a family WhatsApp chat and understand that your 67 year old dad won’t always relate to your 17 year old nephew.
Camp 2: People who spend half of the time wanting to be in Camp 1, but can’t resist Camp 3. They go overboard due to bottling up the feelings. They treat TWTD like Reddit.
Camp 3: People who just treat the internet as a place to say anything, be anyone and just not give a f**k. They treat TWTD like the YouTube comments section.
I want to be 1, but sometimes fall into 2. There are far too many of 3 in this world and it makes for a very depressing place. |
Quite right. It’s a fact of life that people will not always agree with your point of view or you with theirs, what’s important is respect, respectfully agree to disagree, be civil and move on. |  | | |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 07:10 - Aug 25 with 3027 views | StokieBlue |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 06:59 - Aug 25 by solomon |
Quite right. It’s a fact of life that people will not always agree with your point of view or you with theirs, what’s important is respect, respectfully agree to disagree, be civil and move on. |
What if the point is clearly fallacious or worse?
Should lies or falsehoods also be treated with respect and civility?
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 07:16 - Aug 25 with 3013 views | Herbivore |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 07:10 - Aug 25 by StokieBlue |
What if the point is clearly fallacious or worse?
Should lies or falsehoods also be treated with respect and civility?
SB |
Indeed. If people are spreading falsehoods or plucking opinions out of their arses and continue to do so when this has been politely demonstrated to them, I'm not sure quite how much respect they really deserve. |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 07:31 - Aug 25 with 2985 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 06:59 - Aug 25 by solomon |
Quite right. It’s a fact of life that people will not always agree with your point of view or you with theirs, what’s important is respect, respectfully agree to disagree, be civil and move on. |
If 99% of the rows on here took place in a pub, those involved would resolve it over a pint in about 30 seconds.
Sadly, the nature of the internet sees them tool up, face off and bring in their mates behind them. |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:09 - Aug 25 with 2921 views | solomon |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 07:10 - Aug 25 by StokieBlue |
What if the point is clearly fallacious or worse?
Should lies or falsehoods also be treated with respect and civility?
SB |
Yes, you should always remain civil, otherwise you lower yourself to their level. Be robust in your defence but keep calm and polite. | | | |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:12 - Aug 25 with 2910 views | bluelagos |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:09 - Aug 25 by solomon |
Yes, you should always remain civil, otherwise you lower yourself to their level. Be robust in your defence but keep calm and polite. |
Presume that is a general comment given that SB is always polite in his challenges. |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:13 - Aug 25 with 2904 views | solomon |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 07:31 - Aug 25 by GlasgowBlue |
If 99% of the rows on here took place in a pub, those involved would resolve it over a pint in about 30 seconds.
Sadly, the nature of the internet sees them tool up, face off and bring in their mates behind them. |
Regarding your last point, attitudes like those belong in the playground. | | | |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:18 - Aug 25 with 2897 views | solomon |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:12 - Aug 25 by bluelagos |
Presume that is a general comment given that SB is always polite in his challenges. |
Yes, in general, not aimed at anyone, my belief, not everyone will agree, that’s their right and they are entitled to disagree. | | | |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:18 - Aug 25 with 2894 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:12 - Aug 25 by bluelagos |
Presume that is a general comment given that SB is always polite in his challenges. |
Did you mean passive aggressive!
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:19 - Aug 25 with 2895 views | bluelagos |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 07:16 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
Indeed. If people are spreading falsehoods or plucking opinions out of their arses and continue to do so when this has been politely demonstrated to them, I'm not sure quite how much respect they really deserve. |
A poster who was quoting David Icke got upset when I used the term "loon". It wasn't polite but sometimes I can't be arsed tbh. I do try and keep it civil though. | |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:30 - Aug 25 with 2849 views | Herbivore |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:19 - Aug 25 by bluelagos |
A poster who was quoting David Icke got upset when I used the term "loon". It wasn't polite but sometimes I can't be arsed tbh. I do try and keep it civil though. |
There comes a time where you just have to call a spade a spade. | |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 09:47 - Aug 25 with 2783 views | solemio |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 22:14 - Aug 24 by Swailsey |
I think, sadly, this just goes to show that people who use this forum fall into 3 camps:
Camp 1: Actual humans who appreciate the things they say have impacts and that they are engaging with other humans. People who want to get something out of this place and rely on it in some way. They treat TWTD like a family WhatsApp chat and understand that your 67 year old dad won’t always relate to your 17 year old nephew.
Camp 2: People who spend half of the time wanting to be in Camp 1, but can’t resist Camp 3. They go overboard due to bottling up the feelings. They treat TWTD like Reddit.
Camp 3: People who just treat the internet as a place to say anything, be anyone and just not give a f**k. They treat TWTD like the YouTube comments section.
I want to be 1, but sometimes fall into 2. There are far too many of 3 in this world and it makes for a very depressing place. |
Possibly the best threads there have ever been on here have consisted of folk with mental health problems talking frankly and being met with great sympathy by others with similar problems and others without. I have more than once said that the folk who run the site should be very proud of some of these threads.
We cannot pretend that the last 6 - 7 months have not been mentally taxing for many people, not least those with a history of these problems.
However even given this understanding there must be limits, and I have rarely over the years felt that I disagreed with bans imposed by Phil. |  | | |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 09:51 - Aug 25 with 2767 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 21:12 - Aug 24 by SitfcB |
Ban Libero. |
What happened to you? You used to be such a nice young man. |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:12 - Aug 25 with 2724 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 08:30 - Aug 25 by Herbivore |
There comes a time where you just have to call a spade a spade. |
Sadly some are inclined to call a spade a f**king shovel. |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:26 - Aug 25 with 2693 views | WeWereZombies |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 09:47 - Aug 25 by solemio |
Possibly the best threads there have ever been on here have consisted of folk with mental health problems talking frankly and being met with great sympathy by others with similar problems and others without. I have more than once said that the folk who run the site should be very proud of some of these threads.
We cannot pretend that the last 6 - 7 months have not been mentally taxing for many people, not least those with a history of these problems.
However even given this understanding there must be limits, and I have rarely over the years felt that I disagreed with bans imposed by Phil. |
I have given you an uppie for that post, but it is mainly to soften the impact of taking you to task over the double negative in the second paragraph. |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:32 - Aug 25 with 2675 views | solemio |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:26 - Aug 25 by WeWereZombies |
I have given you an uppie for that post, but it is mainly to soften the impact of taking you to task over the double negative in the second paragraph. |
There are two negatives in the one sentence, but I reckon they mean what I meant them to say - possibly. As it's you I'll let you off. | | | |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:35 - Aug 25 with 2664 views | WeWereZombies |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 22:02 - Aug 24 by vapour_trail |
It’s the oh dear thread and another one that got pulled, can’t recall what that one was supposed to be about. |
I got back in yesterday evening after climbing a mountain to see what had developed on the 'cancel culture' thread I started in the morning but could find no sign of it, so I presume 'That's it for the other one'.
I know anything on 'cancel culture' will probably become contentious but, as proposed legislation may have an impact on what we post on TWTD, feel it should be discussed. I do feel some regret that the discussion started so poorly and am sorry for introducing a thread which has caused Phil yet more grief. Obviously I am not sorry for trying to get views aired on the topic, if posters cannot get their points across effectively and resort to insult the that is their problem and not mine - unless I am the one doing the insulting (which I do do inadvertently at times.) | |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:38 - Aug 25 with 2651 views | WeWereZombies |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:32 - Aug 25 by solemio |
There are two negatives in the one sentence, but I reckon they mean what I meant them to say - possibly. As it's you I'll let you off. |
I've looked at it again and I make it three negatives actually... | |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:52 - Aug 25 with 2620 views | solemio |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 10:38 - Aug 25 by WeWereZombies |
I've looked at it again and I make it three negatives actually... |
Indeed - but all used correctly. Double negatives are only wrong if you end up saying the opposite of what you meant to say when the sentence is clinically examined! | | | |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 11:05 - Aug 25 with 2602 views | longtimefan |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 22:03 - Aug 24 by PhilTWTD |
Was getting particularly nasty with one poster, PMs as well as on the forum, which was the final straw. Had also had run-ins with two other posters over the last couple of weeks, both of whom had made complaints about him and who don't seem to be using the forum any more as a result. |
I liked much of what Libber’s posted but he could be incredibly intransigent about certain things. One recently was his hero worship for Tommy Smith where he posted that we’d should all welcome the signing of a player with 300 Championship games under his belt and a World Cup appearance regardless. Except you know he certainly wouldn’t if the player’s name was Knudsen, not Smith. 
For the record neither have 300 Championship appearances. Smith has around 240 spread over 10 seasons, while Knudsen had 140ish over 4 seasons | | | |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 11:44 - Aug 25 with 2541 views | GeoffSentence |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 06:59 - Aug 25 by solomon |
Quite right. It’s a fact of life that people will not always agree with your point of view or you with theirs, what’s important is respect, respectfully agree to disagree, be civil and move on. |
It's not always possible to agree to disagree and move on though. For instance in the case where two women both claim to be the mother of a child. How would you handle that? |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 12:10 - Aug 25 with 2500 views | SitfcB |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 09:51 - Aug 25 by BrixtonBlue |
What happened to you? You used to be such a nice young man. |
What have I done now? |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 12:15 - Aug 25 with 2475 views | SpruceMoose |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 11:44 - Aug 25 by GeoffSentence |
It's not always possible to agree to disagree and move on though. For instance in the case where two women both claim to be the mother of a child. How would you handle that? |
If they were a couple then I'd celebrate it |  |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 12:15 - Aug 25 with 2470 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 12:10 - Aug 25 by SitfcB |
What have I done now? |
Well you've quite blatantly demanded someone be banned. Bit unseemly! | |
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| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 12:18 - Aug 25 with 2454 views | SitfcB |
| Abuse, winding-up, bans etc on 12:15 - Aug 25 by BrixtonBlue |
Well you've quite blatantly demanded someone be banned. Bit unseemly! |
He got banned before I made that comment  | |
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