| New to Twitter 20:19 - Aug 26 with 9273 views | noggin |
Need recommendations for people to follow. Politics, ITFC, bantz. |  |
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| New to Twitter on 11:56 - Aug 27 with 4032 views | tractordownsouth |
For bants, give Darren Grimes a follow, you get a laugh every minute
You don't even need to follow him actually, I don't and his delusional rantings always seem to pop up on my feed anyway |  |
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| New to Twitter on 12:03 - Aug 27 with 4030 views | Ryorry |
| New to Twitter on 11:56 - Aug 27 by tractordownsouth |
For bants, give Darren Grimes a follow, you get a laugh every minute
You don't even need to follow him actually, I don't and his delusional rantings always seem to pop up on my feed anyway |
Could that be Benters?! 🤔 Edit: sorry, that should have been in reply to wkj's suggestion of https://twitter.com/coffee_dad
Re "popping up on feed" - a tip for newbies would be to look at an account's "tweets and replies", not just their tweets - gives ideas for who could be good to follow (and who to swerve!). [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 12:07]
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| New to Twitter on 13:19 - Aug 27 with 3982 views | monytowbray |
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla - Journo holding the feet to the fire with Brexit, also key in exposing Cambridge Analytica and the global populist movement with Russian Money.
https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel - Ex staffer on the US Apprentice, broke his NDA to expose the reality of the Trump family behind closed doors.
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue - Apparent inside info from the UK government, always on the ball but not seen it leak much to suggest it is deffo what it says it is. Still, good info on governments globally and potential/ongoing geopolitical conflict.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham - Director of the Good Law Project which is doing some great work to keep our democracy and accountability of the ruling class functioning.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob - Haters will shout LEFTIE BIAS, intelligent people will say FACTS MATTER.
https://twitter.com/Feargal_Sharkey - The ex Undertones vocalist is now an environmental campaigner currently raising awareness of the crap being pumped into our waters by private firms.
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral - One of my fav Anonymous accounts for the side of the stories the news don't want you to see.
https://twitter.com/OpDeathEaters - Decent for following the Epstein case and all surrounding links, back story: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/anonymous-hacktivists-target-pa Considering it started 5 years ago and much of the evidence they've raised awareness of has been accurate. The fact the MSM don't report much on this is very odd I must say.
https://twitter.com/BylineTimes - News without the spin, not always on the ball with conclusions but asks the right questions.
https://twitter.com/XRebellionUK - Say what you want, they're right. In 30 years time the world will wish it listened.
https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg - More intelligent than a large chunk of TWTD, those who moan about her on here really do show up their fragile masculinity. She's just a kid scared of the future deep down, don't blame her TBH.
https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire - General opinions are a bit too NeoLib for my liking but he does a great weekly round up of the shambles that is the current UK Government.
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| New to Twitter on 14:09 - Aug 27 with 3966 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| New to Twitter on 13:19 - Aug 27 by monytowbray |
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla - Journo holding the feet to the fire with Brexit, also key in exposing Cambridge Analytica and the global populist movement with Russian Money.
https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel - Ex staffer on the US Apprentice, broke his NDA to expose the reality of the Trump family behind closed doors.
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue - Apparent inside info from the UK government, always on the ball but not seen it leak much to suggest it is deffo what it says it is. Still, good info on governments globally and potential/ongoing geopolitical conflict.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham - Director of the Good Law Project which is doing some great work to keep our democracy and accountability of the ruling class functioning.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob - Haters will shout LEFTIE BIAS, intelligent people will say FACTS MATTER.
https://twitter.com/Feargal_Sharkey - The ex Undertones vocalist is now an environmental campaigner currently raising awareness of the crap being pumped into our waters by private firms.
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral - One of my fav Anonymous accounts for the side of the stories the news don't want you to see.
https://twitter.com/OpDeathEaters - Decent for following the Epstein case and all surrounding links, back story: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/anonymous-hacktivists-target-pa Considering it started 5 years ago and much of the evidence they've raised awareness of has been accurate. The fact the MSM don't report much on this is very odd I must say.
https://twitter.com/BylineTimes - News without the spin, not always on the ball with conclusions but asks the right questions.
https://twitter.com/XRebellionUK - Say what you want, they're right. In 30 years time the world will wish it listened.
https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg - More intelligent than a large chunk of TWTD, those who moan about her on here really do show up their fragile masculinity. She's just a kid scared of the future deep down, don't blame her TBH.
https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire - General opinions are a bit too NeoLib for my liking but he does a great weekly round up of the shambles that is the current UK Government.
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Extinction rebellion and that annoying Greta Thunberg. Lol. Why would people want to follow them? Genuinely. |  |
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| New to Twitter on 14:29 - Aug 27 with 3948 views | monytowbray |
| New to Twitter on 14:09 - Aug 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
Extinction rebellion and that annoying Greta Thunberg. Lol. Why would people want to follow them? Genuinely. |
Because facts are important, the climate emergency is real and a large chunk of the population doesn't really get the dangers humanity faces due to politicians prioritising energy lobbyists who only want short term profit at the expense of the end of the world. And the MSM don't seem to care much either.
Protests only happen because the powers that be won't listen. | |
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| New to Twitter on 14:44 - Aug 27 with 3936 views | itfcjoe |
| New to Twitter on 14:29 - Aug 27 by monytowbray |
Because facts are important, the climate emergency is real and a large chunk of the population doesn't really get the dangers humanity faces due to politicians prioritising energy lobbyists who only want short term profit at the expense of the end of the world. And the MSM don't seem to care much either.
Protests only happen because the powers that be won't listen. |
Interesting BBC podcast series - 8no 15 minute episodes - called How They Made Us Doubt Everything.
Shows how tobacco industry made people doubt scientists, and how same tricks have been used re climate change - 98% of scientists think it is real, but only about 60% of population in US do |  |
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| New to Twitter on 14:47 - Aug 27 with 3932 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| New to Twitter on 14:29 - Aug 27 by monytowbray |
Because facts are important, the climate emergency is real and a large chunk of the population doesn't really get the dangers humanity faces due to politicians prioritising energy lobbyists who only want short term profit at the expense of the end of the world. And the MSM don't seem to care much either.
Protests only happen because the powers that be won't listen. |
Extinction Rebellion lost any respect from me and millions of others the second they started protesting and blocking roads - including outside hospitals. Many stories of people missing saying goodbye to dying relatives and dads not being there for their child’s birth. And ER still wouldn’t budge. So f**k em.
Greta Thunberg is a strange child in the sense that I’m quite sure she’s a puppet to someone controlling her mind - probably her parents. She’s a child after all and yet spends her life doing that. Bizarre. | |
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| New to Twitter on 14:48 - Aug 27 with 3923 views | SpruceMoose |
| New to Twitter on 14:09 - Aug 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
Extinction rebellion and that annoying Greta Thunberg. Lol. Why would people want to follow them? Genuinely. |
Thoroughly unsurprising that this is your take on it. |  |
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| New to Twitter on 14:51 - Aug 27 with 3916 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| New to Twitter on 14:48 - Aug 27 by SpruceMoose |
Thoroughly unsurprising that this is your take on it. |
Thoroughly unsurprising that you’re playing the poster and not the post again. But go on.. why is it unsurprising? | |
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| New to Twitter on 15:02 - Aug 27 with 3897 views | Hiphopopotamus |
| New to Twitter on 14:51 - Aug 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thoroughly unsurprising that you’re playing the poster and not the post again. But go on.. why is it unsurprising? |
So just like you did here then:
Greta Thunberg is a strange child in the sense that I’m quite sure she’s a puppet to someone controlling her mind - probably her parents. She’s a child after all and yet spends her life doing that. Bizarre.
Make up some crap about Greta without addressing what she’s saying. |  | | |
| New to Twitter on 15:02 - Aug 27 with 3896 views | monytowbray |
| New to Twitter on 14:51 - Aug 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thoroughly unsurprising that you’re playing the poster and not the post again. But go on.. why is it unsurprising? |
Thing is Rommy, and I'm trying to say this as diplomatic as possible (although it ain't easy!) is I feel that you continually disregard evidence and fact because the person giving you the evidence and facts is doing it in a way you don't like. There are some major disconnects in your opinion, such as horse racing and animal cruelty that show levels of cognitive dissonance.
I say this as someone who has had these battles myself. Good example would be my recent Amazon thread and most the responses from other posters being "but it's fast and cheap and convenient". I get it, I was that person too once before. To change we have to challenge ourselves and do things that may be inconvenient for the greater good. The world is not sustainable as it is and it will take individual change at a collective level to fix. I say that because the government and big business aren't doing much (if anything) to solve it. Most environmental pledges are lip service at this point - we need to do more and we need to do it yesterday to mitigate the incoming mess we've caused on this planet (and yes I used "mitigate" because prevention options went out the window a while back).
This is something society really needs to get over if it wants to make any progress. I suggest you check out the link Joe just posted.
Again, trying to be diplomatic but I can't change you (nor is it my job), all I can do is give you the facts, arguments and the rest is down to you.
SIDENOTE EDIT: As someone living in London and working 500 yards from last year's Oxford Street protest at the time, I can say the "disruptions" were minimal (if any at all). Don't believe the spin the press put on it, it was all b0llocks. [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 15:06]
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| New to Twitter on 15:05 - Aug 27 with 3888 views | SpruceMoose |
| New to Twitter on 14:51 - Aug 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
Thoroughly unsurprising that you’re playing the poster and not the post again. But go on.. why is it unsurprising? |
You posted a glib comment about a child who has done more than most adults to bring attention to what ultimately is going to cause widespread death and disruption to the human race without a serious paradigm shift. Not sure why you're surprised someone might roll they eyes at just how juvenile that comes across as.
Why would you LOL about someone wanting to stay informed about that? [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 15:06]
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| New to Twitter on 15:08 - Aug 27 with 3879 views | SpruceMoose |
| New to Twitter on 14:47 - Aug 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
Extinction Rebellion lost any respect from me and millions of others the second they started protesting and blocking roads - including outside hospitals. Many stories of people missing saying goodbye to dying relatives and dads not being there for their child’s birth. And ER still wouldn’t budge. So f**k em.
Greta Thunberg is a strange child in the sense that I’m quite sure she’s a puppet to someone controlling her mind - probably her parents. She’s a child after all and yet spends her life doing that. Bizarre. |
This is such a Young Benters take.
Disappointing. | |
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| New to Twitter on 15:08 - Aug 27 with 3877 views | monytowbray |
| New to Twitter on 15:05 - Aug 27 by SpruceMoose |
You posted a glib comment about a child who has done more than most adults to bring attention to what ultimately is going to cause widespread death and disruption to the human race without a serious paradigm shift. Not sure why you're surprised someone might roll they eyes at just how juvenile that comes across as.
Why would you LOL about someone wanting to stay informed about that? [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 15:06]
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I don't think Greta is even that preachy. She's less preachy than me!
Most her Twitter is RTs of big environmental news from experts. If that's now the benchmark for ignoring someone* thing we are truely fcuked.
* It is the benchmark already TBH, hence why we're going ahead with Brexit still. Had enough of the experts, etc. | |
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| New to Twitter on 15:10 - Aug 27 with 3871 views | SpruceMoose |
| New to Twitter on 15:08 - Aug 27 by monytowbray |
I don't think Greta is even that preachy. She's less preachy than me!
Most her Twitter is RTs of big environmental news from experts. If that's now the benchmark for ignoring someone* thing we are truely fcuked.
* It is the benchmark already TBH, hence why we're going ahead with Brexit still. Had enough of the experts, etc. |
Exactly. But she's young, female and talking about how we have to change our behaviour, so clearly she deserves all the flack she gets.
GT ticks all of the boxes the right wing find most triggering.
Female, young, vocal, foreign, environmentally minded, speaks well to authority. No wonder they flounce their pants about her.
You can add AOC and Ilmar Oman to this triggering list too.
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| New to Twitter on 15:10 - Aug 27 with 3869 views | J2BLUE |
| New to Twitter on 14:44 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
Interesting BBC podcast series - 8no 15 minute episodes - called How They Made Us Doubt Everything.
Shows how tobacco industry made people doubt scientists, and how same tricks have been used re climate change - 98% of scientists think it is real, but only about 60% of population in US do |
I read the other day that in the 90s, most Americans didn't know the cereal 'Wheaties' was made from wheat. |  |
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| New to Twitter on 15:16 - Aug 27 with 3843 views | monytowbray |
| New to Twitter on 15:10 - Aug 27 by J2BLUE |
I read the other day that in the 90s, most Americans didn't know the cereal 'Wheaties' was made from wheat. |
Having family members there via my daughter in the backroad towns stricken with decades of poverty has been eye opening.
Spend an hour watching Fox News and you can understand how they are if they lack the ability to separate facts and agendas from reality. Media bias is a GCSE Media Studies level of education but many haven't had it. They associate news as fact, pick a side and run with it. But f*ck, if I believed Fox News I'd be terrified of the outside world. You only need to hear America's general opinion on "Communists" (or more recently "Anarchists") to see how ill-informed to fact many are.
If that country doesn't do something about their society and VERY SOON they can kiss goodbye to both their democracy and status on the world stage next to Russia/China.
They're killing themselves whilst demanding they can keep their guns to protect themselves from government tyranny, yet when that tyranny arrived they all grabbed their guns to protect Daddy Trump and said tyrannical government.
PS. The UK is heading down the same route if you haven't worked it out by now. [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 15:18]
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| New to Twitter on 15:50 - Aug 27 with 3813 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| New to Twitter on 15:02 - Aug 27 by monytowbray |
Thing is Rommy, and I'm trying to say this as diplomatic as possible (although it ain't easy!) is I feel that you continually disregard evidence and fact because the person giving you the evidence and facts is doing it in a way you don't like. There are some major disconnects in your opinion, such as horse racing and animal cruelty that show levels of cognitive dissonance.
I say this as someone who has had these battles myself. Good example would be my recent Amazon thread and most the responses from other posters being "but it's fast and cheap and convenient". I get it, I was that person too once before. To change we have to challenge ourselves and do things that may be inconvenient for the greater good. The world is not sustainable as it is and it will take individual change at a collective level to fix. I say that because the government and big business aren't doing much (if anything) to solve it. Most environmental pledges are lip service at this point - we need to do more and we need to do it yesterday to mitigate the incoming mess we've caused on this planet (and yes I used "mitigate" because prevention options went out the window a while back).
This is something society really needs to get over if it wants to make any progress. I suggest you check out the link Joe just posted.
Again, trying to be diplomatic but I can't change you (nor is it my job), all I can do is give you the facts, arguments and the rest is down to you.
SIDENOTE EDIT: As someone living in London and working 500 yards from last year's Oxford Street protest at the time, I can say the "disruptions" were minimal (if any at all). Don't believe the spin the press put on it, it was all b0llocks. [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 15:06]
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That’s an interesting post and since you’ve been nice enough about it, I’ll respond. I won’t with Spruce as I know his game by now. Shame he’s still around on here.
Maybe I do do that. It’s hard to listen to the points being made if the method is disingenuous. I struggle to feel sympathy with ER when they were deliberately causing problems. Such as the blocking of roads around the country and the like. That doesn’t mean their original point isn’t correct because climate change is obviously a major issue. I just feel as though that specific group.. not for me. I disliked their methods at the time and still do. Greta just annoys me tbh so I’m probably just bias against her as she’s someone I am irritated by for no real reason. I’ll accept.. that ones on me.
Not too sure what you mean about cognitive dissonance. Nor the horse racing and animal cruelty. If you’d explain that point abit more that would help so I can give a counter argument. | |
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| New to Twitter on 16:09 - Aug 27 with 3789 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| New to Twitter on 13:19 - Aug 27 by monytowbray |
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla - Journo holding the feet to the fire with Brexit, also key in exposing Cambridge Analytica and the global populist movement with Russian Money.
https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel - Ex staffer on the US Apprentice, broke his NDA to expose the reality of the Trump family behind closed doors.
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue - Apparent inside info from the UK government, always on the ball but not seen it leak much to suggest it is deffo what it says it is. Still, good info on governments globally and potential/ongoing geopolitical conflict.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham - Director of the Good Law Project which is doing some great work to keep our democracy and accountability of the ruling class functioning.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob - Haters will shout LEFTIE BIAS, intelligent people will say FACTS MATTER.
https://twitter.com/Feargal_Sharkey - The ex Undertones vocalist is now an environmental campaigner currently raising awareness of the crap being pumped into our waters by private firms.
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral - One of my fav Anonymous accounts for the side of the stories the news don't want you to see.
https://twitter.com/OpDeathEaters - Decent for following the Epstein case and all surrounding links, back story: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/anonymous-hacktivists-target-pa Considering it started 5 years ago and much of the evidence they've raised awareness of has been accurate. The fact the MSM don't report much on this is very odd I must say.
https://twitter.com/BylineTimes - News without the spin, not always on the ball with conclusions but asks the right questions.
https://twitter.com/XRebellionUK - Say what you want, they're right. In 30 years time the world will wish it listened.
https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg - More intelligent than a large chunk of TWTD, those who moan about her on here really do show up their fragile masculinity. She's just a kid scared of the future deep down, don't blame her TBH.
https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire - General opinions are a bit too NeoLib for my liking but he does a great weekly round up of the shambles that is the current UK Government.
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how James O'Brien can be called a lefty is beyond me,
guy is a centrist, hes spent the last four years blowing hard about corbyn every opportunity he gets |  | | |
| New to Twitter on 16:32 - Aug 27 with 3770 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| New to Twitter on 15:10 - Aug 27 by SpruceMoose |
Exactly. But she's young, female and talking about how we have to change our behaviour, so clearly she deserves all the flack she gets.
GT ticks all of the boxes the right wing find most triggering.
Female, young, vocal, foreign, environmentally minded, speaks well to authority. No wonder they flounce their pants about her.
You can add AOC and Ilmar Oman to this triggering list too.
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My issue with Greta is that her rise is not organic & she has been gifted a platform due her privilege of being the daughter of rich, established celeb parents. Her arguments at times also sometimes completely disregard the developing world- for example when she denounces economic growth, economic growth which has lifted millions out of poverty. A rich white girl denouncing economic growth doesn't sit well in developing countries... [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 16:44]
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| New to Twitter on 17:03 - Aug 27 with 3737 views | Ryorry |
| New to Twitter on 15:16 - Aug 27 by monytowbray |
Having family members there via my daughter in the backroad towns stricken with decades of poverty has been eye opening.
Spend an hour watching Fox News and you can understand how they are if they lack the ability to separate facts and agendas from reality. Media bias is a GCSE Media Studies level of education but many haven't had it. They associate news as fact, pick a side and run with it. But f*ck, if I believed Fox News I'd be terrified of the outside world. You only need to hear America's general opinion on "Communists" (or more recently "Anarchists") to see how ill-informed to fact many are.
If that country doesn't do something about their society and VERY SOON they can kiss goodbye to both their democracy and status on the world stage next to Russia/China.
They're killing themselves whilst demanding they can keep their guns to protect themselves from government tyranny, yet when that tyranny arrived they all grabbed their guns to protect Daddy Trump and said tyrannical government.
PS. The UK is heading down the same route if you haven't worked it out by now. [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 15:18]
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Did you see footage of Boris Johnson on TV news last night visiting a school classroom & trying to get "down with the (youngish, about 8?) kids"?
Talk about brainwashing from an early age - was quite nauseating really.
PS - doesn't the answer to problems you describe in the USA lie in better education? But then of course how does that start when teachers themselves have gone through the same system. Chicken-egg-chicken-egg. [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 17:07]
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| New to Twitter on 17:49 - Aug 27 with 3712 views | monytowbray |
| New to Twitter on 15:50 - Aug 27 by The_Romford_Blue |
That’s an interesting post and since you’ve been nice enough about it, I’ll respond. I won’t with Spruce as I know his game by now. Shame he’s still around on here.
Maybe I do do that. It’s hard to listen to the points being made if the method is disingenuous. I struggle to feel sympathy with ER when they were deliberately causing problems. Such as the blocking of roads around the country and the like. That doesn’t mean their original point isn’t correct because climate change is obviously a major issue. I just feel as though that specific group.. not for me. I disliked their methods at the time and still do. Greta just annoys me tbh so I’m probably just bias against her as she’s someone I am irritated by for no real reason. I’ll accept.. that ones on me.
Not too sure what you mean about cognitive dissonance. Nor the horse racing and animal cruelty. If you’d explain that point abit more that would help so I can give a counter argument. |
Where to start with this all over again with fresh eyes!?
I guess I'd have to start by stating what methods do GT or ER use that are "disingenuous" exactly? All I see is a group of radical environmentalists and the public folk who support them taking up activism on the streets as they're fed up of being right and no one listening. I'm not sure what's bad there?
Again, you have to remember that civil disobedience doesn't just pop up out of no where. It's almost always when every other avenue has been exhausted. It's a bit like those bothered about the BLM protests moaned people should make their point in a way that they feel is acceptable, but at the same time they ignore the fact those protesting did that and it people whinged instead of listening.
Side note, but those who screamed ALL LIVES MATTER didn't seem to hold up their end of the deal when Farage told them to be venomously racist towards asylum seekers last month.
The real issue is deep down these people are in denial about the issues the world faces or ignorant to them. They don't like being reminded they are either thick or too lazy to do anything about it.
I don't think we need to do the horse racing and animal cruelty debate again but I'm sure memories of those discussions are easy to conjure up for most.
The reality is we live in a world designed for us to not be the best versions of ourselves we can be, which makes things challenging. Stuff like driving a car or shopping at big Supermarkets is practically unavoidable for many, and I get that. But for those who can afford the luxury of putting pressure on capitalism to change should be doing exactly that, be it by shopping elsewhere if they can afford it, giving up animal products, driving less, etc.
Basically, people need to stop with this whenever someone else's moral values make them feel attacked, STFU and listen.
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| New to Twitter on 17:51 - Aug 27 with 3709 views | monytowbray |
| New to Twitter on 16:32 - Aug 27 by jaseitfc2015 |
My issue with Greta is that her rise is not organic & she has been gifted a platform due her privilege of being the daughter of rich, established celeb parents. Her arguments at times also sometimes completely disregard the developing world- for example when she denounces economic growth, economic growth which has lifted millions out of poverty. A rich white girl denouncing economic growth doesn't sit well in developing countries... [Post edited 27 Aug 2020 16:44]
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Developing countries would benefit massively economically from Green investment though.
That second image I posted above to Rommers - kinda how this post comes across I'm afraid. | |
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