| XR PR 09:12 - Sep 11 with 33136 views | hampstead_blue |
Interesting resignation and thoughts from their PR talking head.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54103163
XR "peddle messages of doomsday gloom that alienate" and offer "little in the way of positive solutions", she added.
co-founder Roger Hallam's claim that science predicts six billion people will die this century due to climate change - a claim that he made to BBC's HARDtalk.
Ms Lights said: "It's a headline-grabbing assertion - but unfortunately, it's also not true,
peer-group tribal pressure to stick to an outdated mainstream green line".
"peddling the notion that the solution to the climate crisis was to turn back the clock to a simpler time".
I think I mentioned last week that XR wanted us to live in caves. That got me a lot of tap. Well, their former head of PR agrees. Tap away.
A few interesting clips from the BBC piece.
I've said before that I am not a fan of them and how they make their point. THis simply reinforces it.
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| XR PR on 09:35 - Sep 12 with 3530 views | gordon |
| XR PR on 08:38 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
I always find it quite ironic the same people preaching about not drinking milk and eating red meat, will happily gobble down things like an Avacado. Each Avacado needs around 70 litres of water for full growth, grown in areas where water is already scarce. Not forgetting they then have to be flown over here.
I'm not having a dig by the way, and I always try and do my bit for this beautiful planet we call home. |
Strawmen can be really bad for the environment, agreed! |  | | |
| XR PR on 09:55 - Sep 12 with 3514 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 09:35 - Sep 12 by gordon |
Strawmen can be really bad for the environment, agreed! |
Indeed. And in any case, you'd have to be munching your way through about 10 avocado to use the equivalent amount of water as 1 litre of teat milk. 1 litre of teat milk wouldn't last a family of 4 very long, I'm not sure how quickly the same family would munch through 10 avocado. It's a nonsense argument however you choose to dissect it. |  |
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| XR PR on 10:54 - Sep 12 with 3478 views | hampstead_blue |
| XR PR on 08:47 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
Dairy cows are treated badly, kept constantly lactating and get very sore teats from intensive milking. Calves, male ones in particular, get sent away for slaughter so drinking milk and eating cheese makes you complicit in the killing of animals. Plus to keep that many cows requires a ton of food and water and creates a lot of methane, so it's not good for the environment by any stretch. Here's a comparison of different kinds of milks by environmental impact: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-46654042
So those are the main reasons. Plus when you really think about it, drinking the lactations of another animal is a bit weird. Other animals don't usually drink other animals' secretions that are meant to feed their babies. That's probably a lesser reason mind you, animal welfare, the slaughter of calves, and the environmental impact are the three biggies. |
Your first para, how would that stand against a proud dairy farmer who cares for the animals?
That style of writing is a bit OTT. Are there not strict health and welfare guidelines?
Male cows sent for slaughter - not a waste as I would envisage the carcass is utilised in the food chain. I for one love Osso Buco (veal shin). I have some in the freezer. It's cheap and a hearty meat for stew.
The second para.
Well it's horses for courses. I love cow lactation.
I don't find it weird. We eat all sorts of things.
One thing which is weird - vegetarian bacon. That's wrong. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| XR PR on 11:03 - Sep 12 with 3466 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 10:54 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Your first para, how would that stand against a proud dairy farmer who cares for the animals?
That style of writing is a bit OTT. Are there not strict health and welfare guidelines?
Male cows sent for slaughter - not a waste as I would envisage the carcass is utilised in the food chain. I for one love Osso Buco (veal shin). I have some in the freezer. It's cheap and a hearty meat for stew.
The second para.
Well it's horses for courses. I love cow lactation.
I don't find it weird. We eat all sorts of things.
One thing which is weird - vegetarian bacon. That's wrong. |
It's not OTT at all. Health and welfare guidelines in the UK are better than some other countries but they don't prevent you from keeping female cows constantly lactating and attached to pumps extracting their milk for hours a day.
We're not going to agree on the killing animals part, it doesn't sit well with me but clearly you don't have an issue with it. Raising animals, usually in poor conditions, to slaughter them is not something I'm okay with but I understand other people don't seem to have a problem with it.
I see you've conveniently ignored the environmental side of it. The impact of dairy on the environment is huge, but you don't strike me as someone that much cares about that either, not if it means having to make any lifestyle changes yourself. | |
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| XR PR on 11:15 - Sep 12 with 3451 views | eastangliaisblue |
| XR PR on 09:14 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
That very much sounds like a dig and an ill-founded one at that. Is it only plant milk drinkers that eat avocado? Does cutting down your dairy consumption make you ravenous for avocado? Show your working or I'm calling this a dig. |
Call it a dig if it's make you happy, it doesn't bother me either way.
I am yet to visit a vegan shop/cafe that doesn't have exotic products like Avacado on the menu. (I'm using Avacado as an example.) Now I would say most people who are conscientous of what they eat (I like to think I am to a degree) e.g. Being vegetarian/vegan or not drinking dairy milk etc, because of where it comes from, the carbon footprint of it etc are happy to criticise people who eat/drink the above. At the same time aren't seeing the issue with eating such items as Avacados that have a massive carbon footprint. |  | | |
| XR PR on 11:22 - Sep 12 with 3442 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 11:15 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Call it a dig if it's make you happy, it doesn't bother me either way.
I am yet to visit a vegan shop/cafe that doesn't have exotic products like Avacado on the menu. (I'm using Avacado as an example.) Now I would say most people who are conscientous of what they eat (I like to think I am to a degree) e.g. Being vegetarian/vegan or not drinking dairy milk etc, because of where it comes from, the carbon footprint of it etc are happy to criticise people who eat/drink the above. At the same time aren't seeing the issue with eating such items as Avacados that have a massive carbon footprint. |
Quite a lot of that is just misplaced or made up to be honest. Many vegetarian and vegan restaurants and menus don't contain avocado, you're just using a lazy stereotype it seems to me. And in any case, as I pointed out but you've conveniently ignored, you'd have to eat an insane amount of avocado to match the carbon footprint of consuming a fairly average amount of milk. Your argument falls down on several grounds but if it makes you feel better to dig out those who are a bit more conscientious then good for you, big guy. | |
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| XR PR on 11:22 - Sep 12 with 3440 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 10:54 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Your first para, how would that stand against a proud dairy farmer who cares for the animals?
That style of writing is a bit OTT. Are there not strict health and welfare guidelines?
Male cows sent for slaughter - not a waste as I would envisage the carcass is utilised in the food chain. I for one love Osso Buco (veal shin). I have some in the freezer. It's cheap and a hearty meat for stew.
The second para.
Well it's horses for courses. I love cow lactation.
I don't find it weird. We eat all sorts of things.
One thing which is weird - vegetarian bacon. That's wrong. |
You didn’t comment on the environmental factors.
Are you still keen on making marginal changes for the good of the environment? |  | | |
| XR PR on 11:30 - Sep 12 with 3427 views | NewcyBlue |
| XR PR on 22:51 - Sep 11 by monytowbray |
Real men voted for Brexit too. Haha |
The evidence proves otherwise |  |
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| XR PR on 11:44 - Sep 12 with 3409 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 11:15 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Call it a dig if it's make you happy, it doesn't bother me either way.
I am yet to visit a vegan shop/cafe that doesn't have exotic products like Avacado on the menu. (I'm using Avacado as an example.) Now I would say most people who are conscientous of what they eat (I like to think I am to a degree) e.g. Being vegetarian/vegan or not drinking dairy milk etc, because of where it comes from, the carbon footprint of it etc are happy to criticise people who eat/drink the above. At the same time aren't seeing the issue with eating such items as Avacados that have a massive carbon footprint. |
Have you thought about a campaign against Mexican based restaurants?
Surely you will have noticed there are more Tex-Mex US style eateries, than vegan cafes.
Think of all the people that use TGIF.
Surely you should be preaching to them about avocados. | | | |
| XR PR on 11:47 - Sep 12 with 3404 views | gordon |
| XR PR on 10:54 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Your first para, how would that stand against a proud dairy farmer who cares for the animals?
That style of writing is a bit OTT. Are there not strict health and welfare guidelines?
Male cows sent for slaughter - not a waste as I would envisage the carcass is utilised in the food chain. I for one love Osso Buco (veal shin). I have some in the freezer. It's cheap and a hearty meat for stew.
The second para.
Well it's horses for courses. I love cow lactation.
I don't find it weird. We eat all sorts of things.
One thing which is weird - vegetarian bacon. That's wrong. |
This thread is about how you think we should be encouraged to make smaller, manageable, incremental changes to our lifestyles, rather than be confronted with incomprehensible doomsday scenarios which make it feel like whatever we do is helpless, isn't it?
Because that was a good point you were inadvertently making. The wheels are coming off a bit now, though! | | | |
| XR PR on 11:58 - Sep 12 with 3392 views | eastangliaisblue |
| XR PR on 11:22 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
Quite a lot of that is just misplaced or made up to be honest. Many vegetarian and vegan restaurants and menus don't contain avocado, you're just using a lazy stereotype it seems to me. And in any case, as I pointed out but you've conveniently ignored, you'd have to eat an insane amount of avocado to match the carbon footprint of consuming a fairly average amount of milk. Your argument falls down on several grounds but if it makes you feel better to dig out those who are a bit more conscientious then good for you, big guy. |
Considering one avacodo has a bigger CO2 footprint than a pint of skimmed milk you're wrong. I'm not stereotyping at all considering I have slowly been becoming more vegetarian myself the last few years. It's an opinion formed on my observations of the hypocrisy of people. | | | |
| XR PR on 12:00 - Sep 12 with 3389 views | eastangliaisblue |
| XR PR on 11:44 - Sep 12 by eireblue |
Have you thought about a campaign against Mexican based restaurants?
Surely you will have noticed there are more Tex-Mex US style eateries, than vegan cafes.
Think of all the people that use TGIF.
Surely you should be preaching to them about avocados. |
You're not wrong I completely agree. | | | |
| XR PR on 12:01 - Sep 12 with 3388 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 11:58 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Considering one avacodo has a bigger CO2 footprint than a pint of skimmed milk you're wrong. I'm not stereotyping at all considering I have slowly been becoming more vegetarian myself the last few years. It's an opinion formed on my observations of the hypocrisy of people. |
Keep preaching, I am with you.
It is perfectly possible to be vegan and avoid avocados.
I am sure you will be vegan by your next shop. | | | |
| XR PR on 12:05 - Sep 12 with 3383 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 11:58 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Considering one avacodo has a bigger CO2 footprint than a pint of skimmed milk you're wrong. I'm not stereotyping at all considering I have slowly been becoming more vegetarian myself the last few years. It's an opinion formed on my observations of the hypocrisy of people. |
Can you provide some evidence regarding the CO2 footprint and how it's been calculated? I'd be very surprised if it matches the level of emissions, water use, and land use of producing that quantity of milk, all of which contribute hugely to environmental issues.
According to this link that I posted earlier an avocado contributes about 0.2kg of carbon whilst 200ml of teat milk - less than half a pint - contributes more like 0.6kg. By those calculations, a pint of milk produces around 7-8 times as much carbon as one avocado.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-46654042
Also massive lol at the idea that you sit watching vegans eat and count how many avocado they're eating. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:08]
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| XR PR on 12:15 - Sep 12 with 3370 views | Ryorry |
That is seriously scary. |  |
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| XR PR on 12:16 - Sep 12 with 3366 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 12:05 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
Can you provide some evidence regarding the CO2 footprint and how it's been calculated? I'd be very surprised if it matches the level of emissions, water use, and land use of producing that quantity of milk, all of which contribute hugely to environmental issues.
According to this link that I posted earlier an avocado contributes about 0.2kg of carbon whilst 200ml of teat milk - less than half a pint - contributes more like 0.6kg. By those calculations, a pint of milk produces around 7-8 times as much carbon as one avocado.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-46654042
Also massive lol at the idea that you sit watching vegans eat and count how many avocado they're eating. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:08]
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Crikey
Glass of milk a day:
Over an entire year your consumption of dairy milk is contributing 229kg to your annual greenhouse gas emissions.
Half an Avocado a day: (Does anyone eat that many, maybe peckish chefs working in Las Iguanas?)
Over an entire year your consumption of avocados is contributing 72kg to your annual greenhouse gas emissions.
Hmmmm, seems preaching about avocados is good, but maybe there will be more impact from cutting out human consumption of bovine-baby food. | | | |
| XR PR on 12:19 - Sep 12 with 3363 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 12:16 - Sep 12 by eireblue |
Crikey
Glass of milk a day:
Over an entire year your consumption of dairy milk is contributing 229kg to your annual greenhouse gas emissions.
Half an Avocado a day: (Does anyone eat that many, maybe peckish chefs working in Las Iguanas?)
Over an entire year your consumption of avocados is contributing 72kg to your annual greenhouse gas emissions.
Hmmmm, seems preaching about avocados is good, but maybe there will be more impact from cutting out human consumption of bovine-baby food. |
It does look from those figures that the avocado thing is something of a red herring. Clearly they do have a large carbon footprint relative to other plant based foods, but you'd have to be eating a ridiculous amount of avocado to even have a third of the environmental impact of consuming an average amount of milk. | |
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| XR PR on 12:20 - Sep 12 with 3363 views | eastangliaisblue |
| XR PR on 12:05 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
Can you provide some evidence regarding the CO2 footprint and how it's been calculated? I'd be very surprised if it matches the level of emissions, water use, and land use of producing that quantity of milk, all of which contribute hugely to environmental issues.
According to this link that I posted earlier an avocado contributes about 0.2kg of carbon whilst 200ml of teat milk - less than half a pint - contributes more like 0.6kg. By those calculations, a pint of milk produces around 7-8 times as much carbon as one avocado.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-46654042
Also massive lol at the idea that you sit watching vegans eat and count how many avocado they're eating. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:08]
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Research it yourself you're a grown man aren't you?
As for your last paragraph it's quite laughable, you keep up with that imagination. I was using Avacados as an example of the hypocrisy like I've already said. | | | |
| XR PR on 12:23 - Sep 12 with 3362 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 12:15 - Sep 12 by Ryorry |
That is seriously scary. |
Only if you care about preserving human and other forms of intelligent life on the only planet that humans live on.
Otherwise it is a bit meh, look at Mars, seems to be doing perfectly well without having to worry about preserving a life sustaining eco-system. | | | |
| XR PR on 12:24 - Sep 12 with 3361 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 12:20 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Research it yourself you're a grown man aren't you?
As for your last paragraph it's quite laughable, you keep up with that imagination. I was using Avacados as an example of the hypocrisy like I've already said. |
I have researched it and just shared a link that contradicts what you're claiming? I am a grown man, thanks for noticing. Perhaps you spotted this when tallying up how many avocado I consume?
The thing is you keep calling people hypocrites but that seems to be based on you plucking things out of your arse. You're misrepresenting how avocado stacks up against stuff like dairy in terms of environmental impact and you're making a massive assumption that vegans are packing away a load of avocado in their diet. It's all utter nonsense and I'm not sure why you're doubling down here instead of just acknowledging that perhaps you were being a bit silly. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:25]
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| XR PR on 12:32 - Sep 12 with 3354 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 12:20 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Research it yourself you're a grown man aren't you?
As for your last paragraph it's quite laughable, you keep up with that imagination. I was using Avacados as an example of the hypocrisy like I've already said. |
In all the research I have seen, a vegan diet, is the one with the smallest carbon footprint.
If you also try and keep to local produce as well, so much the better.
“ Researchers at the University of Oxford found that cutting meat and dairy products from your diet could reduce an individual's carbon footprint from food by up to 73 per cent.”
If you are serious about your preaching on not having avocados in order to reduce personal carbon footprint for foodstuffs, you would have to be a vegan, surely? | | | |
| XR PR on 12:34 - Sep 12 with 3353 views | NewcyBlue |
| XR PR on 12:23 - Sep 12 by eireblue |
Only if you care about preserving human and other forms of intelligent life on the only planet that humans live on.
Otherwise it is a bit meh, look at Mars, seems to be doing perfectly well without having to worry about preserving a life sustaining eco-system. |
I really am tempted to go to a plant based diet when I am home on leave to help minimise my impact.
It’s something that weighs heavy on my conscience. I know that on board I have no chance of a plant based diet. Not unless I packed mostly Huel.
Although humanity probably needs a reset right now. I hate people. | |
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| XR PR on 12:41 - Sep 12 with 3347 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 12:32 - Sep 12 by eireblue |
In all the research I have seen, a vegan diet, is the one with the smallest carbon footprint.
If you also try and keep to local produce as well, so much the better.
“ Researchers at the University of Oxford found that cutting meat and dairy products from your diet could reduce an individual's carbon footprint from food by up to 73 per cent.”
If you are serious about your preaching on not having avocados in order to reduce personal carbon footprint for foodstuffs, you would have to be a vegan, surely? |
There is a certain irony in someone who still consumes dairy (and meat possibly) preaching to vegans about consuming avocado because avocado has a relatively high carbon footprint whilst simultaneously claiming it's THEM who are the hypocrites. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:43]
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| XR PR on 12:49 - Sep 12 with 3338 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 12:34 - Sep 12 by NewcyBlue |
I really am tempted to go to a plant based diet when I am home on leave to help minimise my impact.
It’s something that weighs heavy on my conscience. I know that on board I have no chance of a plant based diet. Not unless I packed mostly Huel.
Although humanity probably needs a reset right now. I hate people. |
I would imagine going back to sea after being on plant based diet would be tough.
But you are the captain, right,
“ahoy my new ship mates, who has ever tried tofu in huel breadcrumbs, oh you will...”
But, good luck, hope you succeed on land. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:50]
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